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Marion County, West Virginia

While it is no Yoknapatawpha County, Marion County is a constant in the 1632 series. Indeed, an electronic catalog of the holdings of the Marion County Public Library is used as one of the guidelines for what an SF writer working in the series should expect to be available in Grantville. Marion County officials, equipment, etc. are mentioned on a regular basis. It may not seem like much, but these books have sold millions of copies; and it's a lot more presence than the typical West Virginia county has ever had in literature; Matewan comes closest, but of course that's a town, not a county. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:47, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree that Marion County (well, Mannington, at least) is significant to the 1632 series. But not vice versa. It's hardly mentioned in the stories AFAIK; there is very little "presence in literature" here. We can quibble all we want about this, though, the real question is: do you have any sources backing up this claim that the series is significant to the subject of the article? (The note in 1632's afterward is not relevant in the slightest for this question, of course.) If not, then it's unverifiable, so let's take it out of the article. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 18:29, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Let's move this to a better forum: Talk:Mannington,_West_Virginia#1632_series ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 18:35, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Rorquals (oh sorry, I don't think you know what those are)

So I'm misguided, am I? Did you have to look that up? Is that because you know nothing about rorquals? Why do you run your mouth about subjects you apparently know little to nothing about? It appears to be an epidemic among wikipedians. Google something and pretend to know something about it only to be exposed as a fraud. That's adorable. Perhaps you should stick to doing edits intended for bots? Don't post on my talk page again. SHFW70 (talk) 21:27, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Beg pardon? What do you think I don't know about, and why? ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 17:51, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Surveillance Camera Man for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Surveillance Camera Man is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Surveillance Camera Man until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 02:36, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Leon Danielian article deletion

Hi, You have completely deleted the article Leon Danielian that I have created yesterday. I have spent more than an hour writing the article and it is completely gone on the grounds of "copyright violation". I have no idea which parts you did not like, but it would have been better if you had left at least some parts of it to develop on. Could you please return my work back. GuggiePrg (talk) 19:14, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

GuggiePrg, thanks for taking the time to write this article, and I think we really ought to have an article on this subject, so I appreciate what you're doing.

• I have no idea which parts you did not like—it's not that I didn't like them; they were nice, it's just that a good chunk of the article was copied from other sources. For example, you wrote In 1959 he retired from the stage because of arthritis. This utexas.edu memoriam article has the line Mr. Danielian retired from the stage in 1959 because of arthritis, which is almost identical. Similarly for most(?) of the article. We simply can not do this; Misplaced Pages's servers, etc, are located in the US, which has, for better or worse, quite robust copyright law.
• it would have been better if you had left at least some parts of it to develop on—There wouldn't be much left. Most of what was left would be the part copied from Gaîté Parisienne (which would still require proper attribution, for example in your edit summary).
• Could you please return my work back.—No, I don't think I can restore it, again due to the legal issues. Although feel free to ask a different administrator to do it; someone might know more about copyright law and be able to help you. You may be able to find some of your prose in Google's cache for some amount of time if it is helpful to use it as an outline while rewriting this if you would like to do that. I've also restored the references at User:ErikHaugen/Leon Danielian so you don't need to fuss with those templates, at least. Please let me know if you think there's anything else I can restore.

Thanks! ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 22:35, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I have created a small text based on the previous full version at User:ErikHaugen/Leon Danielian. In case it does not violate the copyright law of your country please migrate it to the article section. Thanks! GuggiePrg (talk) 14:27, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much for working on this! I've moved it to Leon Danielian. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 17:22, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hell In A Bucket (talk) 01:27, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Rexzooly

This page is not about a person but the meaning behind a created name what was fiction but is now real and legal, I am still trying to understand wiki as its still very confusing, I created the name and have had many people ask me the meaning behind the name, this is why I have created a wiki about it, I also placed a very clear note at the bottom stating it was only about the meaning of the name not the creator of the name, if you felt it was placed wrong or worded wrong then please explain but don't just delete my work, you might think its easy to create something but others in the world its a little harder and I found it rude was deleted, did you even read the my talk page on the matter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rexzooly (talk • contribs) 00:13, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, the main thing to understand is that for there to be a stand-alone Misplaced Pages article on something, it needs to have significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Please click on that link for a discussion of what the terms in that phrase mean. Is "Rexzooly" discussed in newspapers, magazines, books, online or off-, etc? Believe me, I know how you feel. My article was deleted, too: Surveillance Camera Man. And that was about a subject covered in news articles and even written about on Boing Boing! In any case, I didn't mean to be rude and I'm sorry it felt that way. I know you spent some time on this and I would be happy to get the contents of the deleted article if you didn't save a copy of it and would like to host it on your own website or something. Please let me know! ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 00:28, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

The name was created by myself in the past and it is discussed and questions about its meaning and most people that I know first come to wiki to find the meaning of something, I will be creating a section on my website but sadly I don't away's have the money for that site to run and I wont run it when I die, I at first was not going to post it here but when requested by a good handful of people I felt maybe I should, since it was about the name and the history where the name came from I thought this would of been part of the terms of wiki, I am not someone great but I have had people that liked the name and wanting to know the meaning behind it and even a few thought about using it, for along time I kept the meaning to myself, if wiki is not for this kind of topic I not really sure why it is here. Thank you for explaining yourself but I am still at a loss with why the creation of this new name shouldn't be able to seed its history here, this is where people come and find meanings, the real meaning of this name might get lost down the line if its not documented on websites people trust if you know of a better and last longing website for this please point me there but I still hope to have it on wiki, the deletion of the older one is OK as it could of been layed out better and I was going to do that soon as I leaned how if you can also help me find a way to post it where it follows all the rules I willing to jump throw these loops -- Rexzooly (talk) 00:48, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

For various reasons, Misplaced Pages is explicitly not about putting new things up to "seed"; it is about things that are verifiable in reliable sources, etc. You might try, if I may suggest my employer, Google sites for publishing such details about yourself? There are plenty of free ways to do this, but it really isn't the point of Misplaced Pages. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 07:12, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

some questions for a senior Wikipedian

Some questions for a senior wikipedian

As a senior Wikipedian supportive of the recent indefinite banning of a user for defending what appears to be Misplaced Pages core values, I would like to ask you a few specific questions, and I would be very grateful for some specific answers.

1. Is Misplaced Pages primarily supposed to reflect: a) what reliable sources say; or b) can multiple reliable sources be overridden by a few editors’ opinions?

2. If the answer to the above question is (b), then should this not be made much clearer in policy etc, because as things stand they give the impression that Misplaced Pages should primarily be a reflection of what reliable sources say? (I would not, for example, have argued as I had had I known this was the case and had it been made clearer in policy/guidelines etc.)

3. If the answer to the first question is (a), then why is it inappropriate to say that “Sheldrake’s work has received a small degree of support from academics” in light of the following sources which are a sample of sources supporting/showing both the fact of, and the content of, some of Sheldrake’s academic support?

Sources stating there has been support for Sheldrake within academia:

Sources stating there has been support for Sheldrake within academia:

David F. Haight, Professor of Philosophy at Plymouth State University writing in The Scandal of Reason, published by the University Press of America says, “that Sheldrake's morphogenetic fields have been taken seriously by more physicists than biologists is to be expected.”

Bryan Appleyard, writing in the Sunday Times (a source already used in the article) says “Morphic resonance is widely derided and narrowly supported”.

Adam Lucas, writing in 21.C says that “of all the scientific journals, New Scientist has undoubtedly been the most supportive of Sheldrake, having published a number of sympathetic articles on formative causation over the years." And this: "when he has not been ignored, however, Sheldrake's peers have expressed everything from outraged condemnation to the highest praise."

But are these sources true? Yes, as it happens, here are some scientists and academics who have supported Sheldrake’s work:

Nobel Laureate in Physics Brian David Josephson writing in Nature.

Marc Bekoff, Professor Emeritus of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at the University of Colorado, Boulder writing in Psychology Today.

Menas Kafatos, the Fletcher Jones Endowed Professor of Computational Physics and the Director of the Center of Excellence at Chapman University – Huffington Post

Stuart Hameroff Professor of Anesthesiology and Psychology, Director, Center for Consciousness Studies, The University of Arizona – Huffington Post

Rudolph E. Tanzi, Joseph P. and Rose F. Kennedy Professor of Neurology at Harvard University, Director of the Genetics and Aging Research Unit at Massachusetts General Hospital – Huffington Post

Neil Theise, Professor, Pathology and Medicine, (Division of Digestive Diseases) Beth Israel Medical Center - Albert Einstein College of Medicine, New York – Huffington Post

All four of the above wrote a letter, published in the Huffington Post supporting the scientific content of Sheldrake’s TEDx talk (which included a discussion of morphic resonance) and about which they say "there was not a hint of bad science in it". Hameroff also said that Sheldrake’s work could be accounted for by his own theory of consciousness developed in association with Roger Penrose

Further scientific/academic support for Sheldrake.

David Bohm FRS, who collaborated with Sheldrake on connection between his implicate order and Sheldrake’s morphic resonance with a dialogue published in the peer-reviewed journal ReVision

Hans-Peter Durr Physicist, who wrote about Sheldrake’s work in connection with quantum Physics

Theodore Roszak Professor Emeritus of history at California State University, East Bay writing in New Scientist

Mary Midgley writing in the Guardian

Paul Davies Physics professor at Arizona State University as well as the Director of BEYOND: Center for Fundamental Concepts in Science

John Gribbin Atrophysicist, and a visiting fellow in astronomy at the University of Sussex

A final point

One other similar area where the sources are overwhelming concerns the well known (and extraordinarily well-sourced) fact that Sheldrake is a biologist - a fact which his constantly removed. contra BLP and clear Misplaced Pages precedence. If needed I can provide 100 reliable sources for this from every conceivable type of source/individual/institution. Here are four from the New York Times alone which, I believe, are not included in the more than 25 currently cited on talk.

Again, then, I would be grateful if you could answer the specific questions above in relation to this particular content.

I eagerly await your response. Thanks Barleybannocks (talk) 12:34, 19 December 2013 (UTC)