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Cumberbatch
Hey, just letting you know the ONLY reason I redid it was how your first edit effected the infobox, I meant to put 'try again' but you fixed it on your next revision anyway. :) LADY LOTUS • TALK 16:04, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. It wasn't clear, from your edit summary, "no", that that was the case. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
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Audio clip on Cumberbatch's page
Hello! About the clip on Cumberbatch's page, I don't think it should be on his infobox at all and rather, should be placed in his radio works section. The clip is after all necessary to complement his voice work. I also suggest to upload a narration or a reading rather than an interview where he talks about random stuff like horses. It's more appropriate and he has done lots on BBC Radio so I don't think it's that difficult to find. He also did a reading for a Moby Dick project and I'm providing the link as it may be easier to obtain this one's rights. http://www.mobydickbigread.com/chapter-58-brit/Mojomuning (talk) 18:38, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
- Great! Let me know when you get that permission. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:46, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
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Wikidata weekly summary #94
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- Beautiful! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
DYK for Erik de Mauny
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MOS:IMAGES
I have opened a formal RfC at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Images#Request for comment on the deprecation of left-aligned images under sub-headings,an issue on which you commented in previous discussion there. DrKiernan (talk) 09:55, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
QRpedia bug - Apostrophes. HELP!
Hi Andy, hoping you can help.
Something seems to have changed since QRpedia was transferred to Wikimedia UK... Codes for the following articles were generated and printed prior to the project's transfer:
They worked just fine but that's no longer the case... Common factor? The apostrophe!
The problem seems to be that although the URL for the article is https://en.wikipedia.org/St._Jago's_Arch, when it is copy-pasted into QRpedia it displays as https://en.wikipedia.org/St._Jago%27s_Arch and gives you a code for the latter URL. It used to work fine but if you were to scan that code now it returns en.qrwp.org/St._Jago%2527s_Arch, i.e. adding an extra '25' to the URL and this returns an HTTP 400 Bad request.
These codes have been integrated into wider information panels which will be costly to replace, so in an attempt to find a short-term fix I tried to create an in-wiki redirect (]), but as you can see it doesn't let me create an article with this title.
Help please! --Gibmetal 77 23:19, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- This should now be resolved. For future reference, you can report issues using Bugzilla. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
- Cheers Andy. --Gibmetal 77 08:01, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
The Film programme
Hi Andy. I tidied the dab but the incoming links need some attention. Regards Widefox; talk 21:52, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
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Prunus nipponica
Can you confirm this photo is Prunus nipponica (Japanese Alpine Cherry)? It turned up on a photo search for that tree and I just started an article on it. Thank you. HalfGig talk 22:50, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, in as much as that's what it was sold to me as. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:57, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- OK. I will copy it to WikiCommons as the license seems to allow that. I've used a cropped version at Prunus nipponica and it's at the DYK nomination page. Thanks! HalfGig talk 02:46, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Wikidata - Infobox settlement - Geobox/type/settlement
I think it would facilitate the exchange of data between English Misplaced Pages and Wikidata, if Template:Geobox/type/settlement is converted by a bot to Template:Infobox settlement.
- 413000 for Infobox settlement http://toolserver.org/~jarry/templatecount/index.php?lang=en&name=Template%3AInfobox+settlement#bottom
- 22685 for Geobox http://toolserver.org/~jarry/templatecount/index.php?lang=en&namespace=10&name=Template%3AGeobox#bottom
But I found no tool that displays how many articles use Geobox/type/settlement. Do you know such a tool?
CatScan gives:
- 13909 for http://tools.wmflabs.org/catscan2/catscan2.php?depth=5&categories=Rivers&templates_yes=Geobox
- 513 for mountains http://tools.wmflabs.org/catscan2/catscan2.php?depth=5&categories=Mountains&templates_yes=Geobox
- but several of the articles listed seem to be river articles.
Maybe it is just 8000 for settlements, i.e. 2% of Infobox settlement.
Do you know a bot that can convert? Androoox (talk) 23:36, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- I agree entirely; it's ridiculous two have two infoboxes for a subject; or to have one infobox for multiple disparate subjects. The statistics you quote speak for themselves (see also Category:Geobox usage tracking). A bot could easily be found, by asking at WP:BOTREQ, to make the conversion. Unfortunately, though, previous attempts to resolve the matter, by merging the best of each type of Geobox into the respective Infobox, have met with resistance. It seems that some people have an almost emotional attachment. See, for example, Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 January 3#Template:Geobox and Template talk:Infobox river#Geobox, again. I am at a loss as to how this can be resolved, while such attitudes prevail. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:52, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the tracking category. Only 229 use Category:Geobox usage tracking for region type. Compare that with the thousands counties, provinces, departments, municipalites, districts ... around. One ugly example: Talamanca (canton) uses Geobox, but if one clicks upwards to the province, or downwards to a district, one finds that they use Infobox settlement. Androoox (talk) 04:18, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Infobox pig breed
Hi! Someone seems to have screwed up {{Infobox pig breed}}. I think it's just that the documentation has not been updated in line with recent changes. In any case, the result is that it only displays what it wants to. I don't want to make things worse by messing with it - could you take a look? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:14, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- Can you give an example of an article where this issue is apparent? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:58, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- I think it's apparent in the example on the template page, where the code
| image_caption = Cumberland boar, late 19th centuryis ignored because the relevant line of the template is|caption = {{{caption|}}}. At Mora Romagnola I added some (apparently uncalled-for, and surely unnecessary) underscores with this edit, and got the altnames to show up; adding anstonotegot the notes to show up too. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC)- Thank you; that's fixed; I hope. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:12, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking at it, Andy. But no, I don't think it's fixed. Cinta Senese uses the syntax transcluded to the infobox page from Infobox pig breed/doc (at least, I think it does!), but the weights do not show up. They don't show at Hereford (pig), either, so it isn't just me. It seems to be because Underlying lk either made changes to the template without making corresponding changes to the documentation or made changes to the template that didn't correspond with the docs. I've tried copying some stuff from the sheep breed infobox to the pig breed sandbox; it seems to work, I think. Any good? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:59, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you; that's fixed; I hope. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:12, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- I think it's apparent in the example on the template page, where the code
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DYK nomination of Nicole Johnson (monster truck driver)
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Wikidata weekly summary #95
- Discussions
- Events/Blogs/Press
- Wikidata is at FOSDEM in Brussels, Februrary 1st-2nd
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- Quantities released on Wikidata!
- Wikisource phase 2 coming Februrary 25th.
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- Newest properties: attendance, refractive index, electronegativity, proportion, sandbox-quantity, number of pages, number of platforms , flattening, floors above ground, number of cylinders, masts, number of speakers, g-factor, orbital eccentricity, gross tonnage, total produced, redshift, Mohs' hardness, ELO rating, atomic number, LibraryThing work identifier, EUL control number, capacity, population, Human Development Index, from narrative, launch contractor, valvetrain configuration, KOATUU identifier
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- Deployed quantities to Wikidata! :)
- Made patch to make wbmergeitems more reliable Bugzilla::55960
- Wikidata edit permissions now included in wikimedia OAuth edit groups
- Moved Diff repo to Github
- Work put into make the frontend use backend formatters through the api
- Refactoring of the ValueView extension
- MergeItems special page merged as an experimental feature
- Our easy RDF fork is now included using composer
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BSBI name change
Hi Andy. We've got a centralised discussion going on here about which references to the BSBI's old name should be updated to reflect their new nme, and which should be left as is. I'd welcome your input. SP-KP (talk) 13:07, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
DYK nomination of The Crescent (Birmingham)
Hi, just letting you know that your nomination of The Crescent (Birmingham) is waiting for your input. DoctorKubla (talk) 16:34, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Hilary Wayment
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DYK nomination of Reginald Mount
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- Final call for QPQ review, requested back on January 20. Will allow until February 4, unless an extension is requested. I hope you'll follow up on this. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:35, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
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Infoboxes amendment request
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Heard you on the radio...
...so I added the story to Misplaced Pages:Press coverage 2014#February. Nice work! - Eureka Lott 00:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- David Gerard twittered about it; Bravo! Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:31, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- Ditto. Caught the story in mid-stream and did not hear your name until the end. I will have to pull it up online later today. -- Gadget850 13:35, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- Adding my voice to the bravo-chorus, da capo ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- Ditto. Caught the story in mid-stream and did not hear your name until the end. I will have to pull it up online later today. -- Gadget850 13:35, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Like Montanabw 21:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Nic Fiddian-Green
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Unreferenced BLPs
You have been here more than long enough to know not to create them (Csaba Sógor the latest), please can you add some sources? GiantSnowman 19:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- (watching) So you say? I added one to the one already there. Don't you think you confused source and inline citation? For all members of the European Parliament, there's an entry. - Please, if you catch an article I wrote with edit summary "start", - give me some time for sourcing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- Again, creating unreferenced articles about living people is not on - Franck Proust and María Muñiz de Urquiza the latest. If I see it again I will have to block you for violating WP:BLP. It's not hard to add one quick reference while you build an article, is it? There's really no excuse. GiantSnowman 19:32, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
- You won't have to do anything of the kind. Your alternative is to not be a dick, read the sensible replies given to you above, and wait for work on those short stubs to progress. Meanwhile, do please feel free to point out any defamatory or otherwise harmful (to the subject or the project) content in those stubs. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:04, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
GLAM accounts/usernames
I would be glad of your input, as a multiple Wikimedian-in-residence, at WT:GLAM#Usernames for GLAM participants. The question arose because of the creation of user Swiss National Library (talk), which I have blocked because they declined an invitation to change username and declared that "The account is already used by more than one person and always will be." When told that role accounts were not allowed here, user Micha Rieser (one of the operators of the account) said that in that case they would not contribute. Has this ever been a problem in any of your residences? I hoped that other GLAMmers would chip in and contribute, and maybe try to persuade them that the "User:Micha at SNL" solution would work, but nobody else has commented yet. See also WP:AN#Block review request. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:55, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
DYK for Hilary Wayment
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--Allen3 18:30, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for another good one, and enjoy Strasbourg! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
DYK for Nic Fiddian-Green
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Materialscientist (talk) 03:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Hortefeux
I'm sorry, Pigsonthewing. I didn't notice you had already added a Wikipedians in European Parliament photo to the article about Hortefeux. Mathonius (talk) 06:42, 6 February 2014 (UTC)