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Modern History Discrepancy
The Modern history section states that Sardinia became Spanish in 1479 but then says it "remained Spanish from 1323-1720". There are no references for this section. What actually happened? 70.167.17.57 (talk) 22:59, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Vandalism
There seems to be some vandalism on this page including at the top, which refers to the US as a "gay county". Also, there is some profanity in the caption under the map. Just thought I'd let someone know!
Tourist information
Would be great to expand the tourist information. Discuss lodging, activities perhaps.
- Misplaced Pages is not meant to be a travel guide. Such information would be more suitable for Wikitravel. See Misplaced Pages:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information, number 3. SCHZMO ✍ 23:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Pillars of Hercules
What are these recent theories about a different location for the pillars of Hercules and what relevance does it have??
About the relevance, the UNESCO and world scientists are studying it. That means it is true, or there are many evidences.
How did Sardinia get its' name?
I would like to know how Sardinia got its' name
I think it may came from the ancient name "Shardana". Unfortunately not much is known today about the Shardana people. We knows that a group of Shardana warriors were even the personal bodyguards of the egyptian pharaon. In fact they were supposed to be great warriors, skilled in metallurgy and navigation. They are linked to the famous Sea People which attacked Egypt around 1200 BC. There are some theory that see them connected to the myth of Atlantis (research for Sergio Frau "Pillar of Hercules" if interested)
Origin of the name Caprarese Cove
In the Madalina attols is a cove named Caprarese Cove. I am courious of the origin of the name for obvious reasons. Mike Caprarese (mcaprarese @ aol.com ) yy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.205.89.7 (talk) 14:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
There aren't attols in Sardinia, ahahah, it's not located in the Tropics, and the island is called "La Maddalena"!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.13.207.47 (talk) 17:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Link spam
I removed 2 items. The first is Sardegna.Com, which may have some information on Sardinia but presents itself very clearly as a property rental and hotel reservation site.
ItalianVisits.com, is just link spam, a single unfinished page with 3 small uncaptioned photos and 1 link, the purpose of which is to draw people to "I.V. Tours".
The person who added ItalianVisits has systematically gone thru the 20 regions on Misplaced Pages to add that site to each, without any regard for improving Misplaced Pages, no attempt even at adding the official site for the various regions. This is therefore a link spam campaign, and should probably be considered vandalism. I've warned that user, and if need be (there have already been some reverts for other regional pages) will put them on the Vandalism in Progress page. If you have this page on your watchlist, please help in maintaining the quality of the links!
If someone wants to do some footwork, there are probably several good Sardinian sites out there to add. Bill 13:59, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Rebuttal to Bill Thayer
Bill, I am the "someone" who added links to ItalianVisits.com on the various Italian Regional sites - and I don't think I was commiting "link spam" or engaged in vandalism when I did so. ItalianVisits.com is a serious endeavour being undertaken by my daughter, Jesse Andrews, who for the past 2 years has been living in Praia A Mare, in the northwest region of Calabria. My other daughter, Arianna, is attending university at the University for Foreigners in Perugia, and also contributes to the ItalianVisits website when she can.
If you look at the section on Calabria, you will see how much work and effort has been put into cataloguing towns and villages that are virtually unknown to English-speaking people, whether they are travelers or tourists, or people who have a curiousity about the area. You will note, I hope, the abundance of wonderful photographs that compliment the text, and present our viewers with images that otherwise would not be available. Incidentally, you should also note the link to Misplaced Pages resources whereever and whenever there is material on Wikidpedia about a region, town or other locale. We are as committed to Misplaced Pages as you are.
Jesse has created a vessel into which more information is being added every day. I just spent 15 days in Umbria, for instance, and added pages for Perugia, Assisi, Spello, Bevagna, Gubbio and the Regional Park at Colfiorito. Other contributors, like Katherine Lavallee, have added information about other towns in Tuscany. Such contributions are solicited eagerly so that we can fatten the content on the site.
ItalianVisits.com is hardly a come-on for selling tour packages, although we are trying to attract people to "unknown" parts of Italy, and in so doing, get some business to those out of the way places for local restauranteurs, hoteliers, and others in the travel business. If you are aware of what is going on in Italy now, you will understand that the economy is depressed, owing largely to various difficulties it has and is facing as it tries to integrate with the EU, and as it attempts to compete in a global economy. So, having information for travelers can not be the sine qua non of "link spam". If you look at all the external links listed in the Umbria section of Misplaced Pages, a number of them are active promoters of travel to the Region. Even here in the Sardegna section there is a link to a site called ActivSardegna which promotes travel. Should all of these be removed? And if so, by whom and under what (hopefully) reasonably well-defined policy?
You can coin or use phrases like "link spam", and "cyber vandalism", or other terms of denigration, but I think you, and others who "worry" about Misplaced Pages, should be careful not to sit on Misplaced Pages with a holier than thou attitude, deleting other people's contributions, unless a more thorough investigation is done into the content, and sometimes into the motives and objectives of their creators. Many people spend a lot of time, money and energy trying to do good without much reward beyond the satisfactions it provides. This effort to "do good" is manifest on your site Bill, at least, so far as I can see, and I commend you for it.
I'm a bit more than a little chagrined about what you have done Bill, and about how you have characterized ItalianVisits, but I hope we can discuss this if you think I am making an untenable argument in favour of allowing us to post links to the IV website, without fear of having them removed by the over-zealous.
Regards Vian Andrews Vancouver, BC July 28, 2005
"unu francu" and spending a penny....
Language is tricky! "To spend a penny", in British English, means to urinate . . . not quite what the writer had in mind. More technically to the point, the penny still exists in most English-speaking countries: I replaced it by farthing, which is as dead as the franc in Sardinia. Bill 13:36, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
The popolo reference is wrong?
The Veneto entry says:
Veneto is one of the two Italian Regions whose inhabitants are granted the status of «popolo» (i.e. people) with Constitutional Law by the Italian Parliament, the other Region being Sardinia. However only Sardinia has been added the status of "autonomous".
This Sardinia entry says:
Sardinia is one of two Italian regions whose inhabitants have been recognised as a "popolo" (i.e. a distinct people) by the Italian Parliament. The other region is Friuli-Venezia Giulia.
I know nothing of Italian Constitutional law, but these seem to contradict each other. Maybe the Sardinia reference should be to the other autonomous region of Friuli-Venezia Giulia, and to the popolo region of Venezia?
80.105.81.230 21:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)Q
== Costituzione Italiana == According to the Italian Constitutional law - Titolo V, Regioni Province e Comuni, art.#116, the following regions are autonomous: Sardegna, Sicilia, Trentino-Alto Adige, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Valle d'Aosta. Yes, the island of Sardinia is one of the regions whose inhabitants have been recognised as a "popolo", geographically, ehnically, politically e historically speaking. This fact is above all due to their isolation. It is also genetically proved, the Sards do not belong to the Italian race. About the Friulan folks is the same. Unfortunately Veneto is still waiting by the Italian Parliament the privileges of its status. So we cannot call them a "popolo".
Some answers
The Francu is the ancient coin of Sardinia. This isn't the sardinian translation of Euro.
The definition of "autonomous region" in italian constitution referres to some special powers of those regions in making laws and in making new taxes. The definition of "popolo" referes to the cultural differences between italy and sardinia and veneto. Bobbore.
Two different concepts
Dear Bobbore the Francu is never existed as a coin. It was the "Franco" or "Franchi e centesimi". Also, we must not make confusion between "popolo" given by regionalists (i.e. Sardists and Venetian Leghisti) and "popolo" given by the fathers of the Italian Costituzione. They are two different concepts. In addition Autonomous Region means that some Regions have administrative autonomy, financial autonomy, statutory autonomy, organizational autonomy, normative autonomy. See the Art. #118 Costituzione, replaced from the constitutional law #3 of the year 2001, and the art. #138 of the Costituzione Italiana, please.
External links
To kirk11, thanks for the message on my talk page. It is true that I have been on something of a mission to rid Misplaced Pages of those links which are clearly spam/commercial, but also of those which are broken, which are out of date, which add little or nothing, or which are otherwise not suitable for inclusion given Misplaced Pages's policies. Like all aspects of life, there are people who simply want to take advantage. I am not for a moment saying that is what you are doing, but I think you will agree that in many cases that is what is happening.
With regards to the two specific links that you mention, in my opinion the www.sarnow.com one is borderline and, for me at least, falling the wrong side of that border. I do not believe that it is a definitive site, even if it does have some useful pieces of information in a tourism context (but not an encyclopedia context). That said, I do not feel particularly strongly about it. However the Going to Sardinia site is clearly commercial with extensive advertising and links for online booking. For me, this site is not remotely close to being appropriate for inclusion.
What are your thoughts? Anyone else?
--Bcnviajero 11:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, and removed both. The poster should make a compelling argrument for their reinsertion before doing reverting. Misplaced Pages is not a collection of Links Seaphoto 19:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Answer to the unknown
Dear unknown (if you want to criticize someone, it's better to say who you are), i know italian costituzione very well, and the definition of popolo is not in the costituzione, but in the costitutinal law called Statuto Sardo, approved by italian parlament in 26 february 1948. I have to teach you that leghisti are only the people who votes for Lega Nord, a partito of north italy. In Sardinia are present some indipendentist partiti, which are very different to regionalist partiti: probably you are talking about indipendentist, not regionalists.
About Francu, there is a misunderstanding: the francu is the name of an ancient coin now called Lira: 1000 lire=1000 francoso (plural of francu). Lira is not euro, and no one in sardinia calls euro "francu" Francu is not euro, but lira.
I said that autonomistic regions have the power of creating laws and new taxes, but the problem is that every single automistic region has different powers. What you say, that autonomistic regions have "administrative autonomy, financial autonomy, statutory autonomy, organizational autonomy, normative autonomy" is a complicate way to say the same things i said.
Bobbore
Disagree...
If we speak about powers, we are obliged to explain. When we write: "the power of creating law and new taxes" we claim that the Region has limited powers. Organisational autonomy, for example, has very few to do with fees and laws. In addition, when we say "a people" we must be clear too. The concept of people, meaning a people "whose rights are juridically recognised" can be found among the constitutional concepts of our fathers, not inside statutes as the one mentioned above. You say "I teach you", but if you had studied jurisprudence or juridical science at the University you would know what I was trying to say. The concept of people given by the Italian Constitution is complete, absolutely different and more important than the concept given by any local statute. And no Sardinian statute speaks about the Sardinians as a people having their own sovereign rights. In conclusion, about the meaning of people, we have two basilar concepts, one given by regionalists (or if you do prefer, by political currents driven by localists, campanilists, nationalists, patriottists etc. I think you know what I mean!) and the other one given by the same Italian Constitution, which is fundamental and prevails. About the "franco", it was the French coin that circulated in some countries of Italy before the period of the Kingdom of Sardinia. The Sards and Piedmontese adopted it ever since the 1800s. Therefore the Sardinian term "francus" comes from "franco", an Italian term utilized to mean 1 French coin; while the Lira came much later. Only the old Sardinians continued mistakenly to identify the Lira as "francu/s/sus" and until January 1th 2002, when the euro officially replaced it. In origin the Franco and the Lira were two different coins. --Jackie 2006 (UTC)
Non mi trovo d' accordo neanche io
Dear Jackie, I take a degree in jurisprudence last year and I born and live in Alghero in Sardinia. I hear and use the word Francu until I was born, and francu is Lira. The historical origin of this word is not important: here in sardinia, no one use the word francu referring to Euro, as the article say. It's used for Lira. And stop. The word Popolo is used in Statuto Sardo (it's a costitutional law) in art. 15 and art. 28. This word is used also in Veneto statuto, and isn't used in the statuti of the others regions. So the italian parlament reconnise the condition of popolo only at this two regions. And stop.
Bobbore
IMHO you don't understand my writing
Dear Bobbore, I never wrote that the Sardinians use the term francu to mean the euro. In addition we cannot ignore the political history of Sardinia and you should study the coins of the Italian regions before saying that. In Sardinia we have the "franco", then the "lira." About the second one, as I stated, it was mistakenly called "francu/s/sus" by Sardinians and until four years ago. Again, I do repeat. The Italian Parliament does not consider the Sardinians as a people having sovereign rights. In no statute you will find that. Also, the statute is recognised by the same fathers of the Italian Constitution of 1948 but it is not a constitutional law! Statute and costitutional law are two different things! You are doing confusion here. --Jackie 2006 (UTC)
TRIVIA ADDITION====================================
I'm new to this, so forgive the formatting. But shouldn't the Trivia section (at least) mention Sardinia's reputation for longevity? There have been multiple scientific studies done on the island seeking to understand why the men there frequently live to be so old. It seems to me that this sort of reputation warrants inclusion.
Heads facing wrong way
Aren't the heads on the flag facing the wrong way? Some on google are in the oposite direction, as well as the one on the badge of Cagliari Calcio. - Soprani 10:47, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
I actually think you are right! On the flag I bought when I was there, they also look to the left! So one should change that I guess!
Sabrina —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.171.196.245 (talk) 21:18, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Franco Columbu
Should there be some mention of Franco Columbu? He is a former champion bodybuilder, powerlifter, and amateur boxer from Sardinia, now a long-time resident and probably citizen of the United States. 67.71.141.44 (talk) 16:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Sardinian life expectancy
I read the "Island of the ancients", a book which discusses the unnatural life expectancy of the some of it's inhabitants, allegedly having the largest percentage of people who live to be >100. It's definitely noteworthy, someone want to research and add it in?
Cleverdan204 (talk) 09:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
History
Why did anyone modify this article? Why so many images were erased? Why do anyone write wrong things about history (for example about the number of provinces) and erase any of the most important events of sardinian history?
I think that who modified the history's article had copied a text from other site or document, i think there is a violation of copyrights!
Answer to the anonymous vandal
I re-built the whole article because it was lacking a lot of importants parts and written in a terrible grammar. It was probably written translating from Italian with an automatic translator. If there is a problem with the section "history" please don't cancel all the article but just say it or edit only the history section and maybe it will be the case to do it using an user profile, not standing anonymous to destroy all my work that comprends a lot of sections and new contributions (provinces, historical population, economy etc.).
--Conte di Cavour (talk) 21:25, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
--you should correct the grammar mistakes, not destroy the work of other users!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.12.222.96 (talk) 13:47, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
inappropriate tone for an encyclopedia
"the splendid Carthaginian or Punic civilization flourished alongside the fascinating local Nuragic culture" This sort of value-judgment-laden language is not suitable for an encyclopedia. The same goes for: "Sardinia is one of the most ancient lands in Europe" -- it sounds both silly and meaningless. It sounds like an advertisement.Jakob37 (talk) 08:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Also removed this quote (not encyclopedic):
This land does not resemble any other place. Sardinia is another thing: enchanting space around and distance to travel, nothing finished, nothing definitive. It’s like freedom itself.
— D. H. Lawrence, Sea and Sardinia, 1921
--Jorge Stolfi (talk) 04:33, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
economy: are fisheries important or not?
The 'Economy' section states that "There is little fishing (and no real maritime tradition)". A few lines later, it claims that "Fishing along the coasts is also an important activity on the island." Would anybody have a source that could be used to resolve this apparent contradiction? Achimt (talk) 13:22, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
holidays links:
where to put this link Vacanze Sardegna --151.83.64.213 (talk) 14:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
World Heritage Sites
All 8,000 Nuraghes located all over the island are considered World Heritage Sites by Unesco, not only Su Nuraxi of Barumini, which is only considered the most significant nuraghe Daygum (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:03, 30 January 2010 (UTC).
Toponymy
i read: "The name Sardinia is based on a reconstructed term *sardinus/*sardina "little Sard"." where are the refrences???
acoording the archeologists and researchers the name sardinia comes from the Shardana people, and in the so called "stele di Nora" (VIII / IX century B.C.) is found the name "b-šrdn" that means Sardinia
The Stele of Nora is considered by many the most ancient written document in western history. It is a stele obtained from a stone block that goes back to approximately the 8th century BC. It was found in a dry wall near a church of Pula to the west of Cagliari. Pula represents the modern city center that originates from the ancient city of Nora, one of the first Phoenician colonies in Sardinia, or perhaps already a Sardinian-Phoenician city. Visible in the Archaeological National Museum of Cagliari, the stele reveals to us the first Phoenician writing ever traced to the West of Tyre. The inscription has b-Trshs, that is " in-Tartessos" (in Spain? or Tarshish in the Levant?) and b-Shrdn, that is " in-Sardinia" or a reference to a people, the Shardana, that probably populated Sardinia in the Bronze Age and who made up part of the coalition of the People of the Sea (who attacked Egypt under pharaohs Merneptah and Ramses III). Daygum (talk) 17:50, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Sardinia has 300 days of sunshine?! A good solar energy spot?
If theres approx 300 days of sunshine on Sardinia .Has the goverment or private eneterprise ever houh of a solar enery (panals ec) plan on Saredinia?razi!ROMAANDRES (talk) 16:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
not true, only 135 days of sunshine per year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.10.240.78 (talk) 03:50, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
mild pov in Middle Ages section?
I think we might have a mild pov problem in the section about medieval history. The House of Arborea is presented as the good guys throughout and the tone stays from neutral, in my opinion. What do you think? Bazuz (talk) 16:19, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
- This may have been the case in October 2011, but in the January 2013 version there is an opposite problem - the whole section reads like a promotional sales pitch for the House of Aragon and the Papacy, with very strong propagandish POV for the Aragonese actions.TheCormac (talk) 21:23, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Lead section
There is a discussion at Talk:Sicily#Lead section that applies here as well. No need to duplicate. --Bejnar (talk) 20:10, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
installation of militar bases
I cannot get the relationsheep between the "installation of military bases" and the increase of crime rate. Please clarify that point or remove suc a passagee. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.92.153.12 (talk) 15:05, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
The militarization of the sardinian territory and the expropriation of lands is the relation with the increase of political crimes between the 60's and 70's, in 1969 an entire population from a village revolted against the italian army and extremists political fringes did terrorist attaks. http://gnosis.aisi.gov.it/gnosis/Rivista3.nsf/ServNavigE/7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.10.244.101 (talk) 04:43, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
WWII History?
Couldn't help but notice there's no history on Sardinia in WW2. Could we make an effort to include this? I'm not familiar w/ the topic though (hence why I came here looking for it). Please advise. Thanks! Azx2 21:33, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Gallery images of Sardinia
Robur.q (talk) 12:00, 16 July 2013 (UTC)== Gallery symbols of Sardinia == Well, actually, it is a quite large gallery, but, what does it mean "unsourced"? All Sardinians can recognise almost all of those symbols as appropriate of their own land. The "official" symbols are only the flag and the coat of arms, and very few of theese symbols are peculiar of "small regions". Yes, of course, the Giara horses lives only in the Giara, but they are property of the Autonomous Region of Sardinia and of the the entire sardinian people. I agree that it is a very large gallery, but they are the quintessence of a little and remote island in the mediterranean sea and of its people. We are "islanders", don't forget!! Our world is little and confined. But it is our world, all the island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.13.16.218 (talk) 11:57, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
QUEEN SARDEGNA ES DIGNA DE HONRA Y ADORACION SAME DIANA EFESIOS NICKNAME,Y MUCHA PUBLICIDAD ,BIBLICA,ELLA DESCENDIENTE .HOY BELLA JOVEN DE 29 ANOS,,ELL,SARDIGNA.2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.197.200.120 (talk) 02:52, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Are we sure that the languages of Sardinia are official?
French and German are respectively co-official in Valle d'Aosta and South Tyrol, so these languages are compulsory at school, in official documents such as IDs and road signs... I have been in Sardinia a year ago and everything was written in Italian. According to me, Sardinia protects and recognise these languages but they are not official. In particular, in the last elections, lots of separatist and autonomist parties said that they want to make official the languages of Sardinia along with Italian: how can it be possible if (according to this article) they are already official?--Madison89 (talk) 08:50, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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