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Jaranda

Discuss here (54/8/6) ending 01:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Jaranda (talk · contribs) – Jaranda (IRC Aranda56) has been around for a while (and has had an RfA in the past) and is well suited for adminship. Meeting *FA, excellent Vandal Fighting history and more, it is my honour to nominate Jaranda for adminship. I've had assurances that Jaranda will stick this one on regardless of the outcome, so as I say why not, I've had nothing but legit admin action requests on IRC. Tawker 23:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

And I'd like to co-nom. Jaranda is now suitable to be an admin and many of the concerns from his previous RfAs have been answered. SushiGeek 00:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept the nomination, hopefully three months is enough time, Thank You. Jaranda 00:24, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Support
  1. Support - as nominator -- Tawker 23:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
  2. Support as co-nominator. SushiGeek 00:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  3. Support --Ixfd64 00:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  4. Support Eluchil404 01:20, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  5. Pepsidrinka supports. 01:20, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  6. Support joshbuddy, talk 01:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  7. Support per nom. Mike (T C) 01:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  8. digital_me per nom.
  9. Support --Shizane 01:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  10. Support buddy don't break a sweat with WP - as per Jesus, only the sinless should stone the sinful. Rama's Arrow 02:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  11. Haven't-we-been-here-before support. ;) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 02:20, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  12. Support Naconkantari 02:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  13. Support. Leaving aside his many excellent contributions, which are out of the question and speak for themselves, I wish to put the accent on his patience, his resilience and admirable will to overcome many stressing situations. His integrity is to be commended, and has shown a love for this project that I deeply admire. Phædriel ♥ tell me - 03:01, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  14. Strong support. --Rory096 03:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  15. Support I thought he was already an admin. —Khoikhoi 03:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  16. Support. And hopefully you learned by now, there is no need, when you get stressed out, to "quit" or "delete my page", or "withdraw my nomination" or any of that. If you feel stressed a bit at some point, just take a short wikivacation saying later that you were busy in real life or wanted some time to think or something like that. That is to say no need for dramatic jestures. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    Yes, I've learned, thank you Jaranda 03:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  17. Support --Jay(Reply) 03:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  18. Strong Support per nom. G.He 03:27, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  19. Support seems like a good editor who would most likely benefit from the extra tools hoopydink 03:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  20. Support Great editor. Will be a definite asset with the tools. Only needs to calm down a bit. --Srikeit 03:44, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  21. Support per above (and per below when there are more supports.--Kungfu Adam 03:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  22. Support. Obviously dedicated to the project. I believe he has made significant progress in improving both his communication skills -- grammar, spelling -- and his handling of wikistress in recent months. I'm a little hesitant -- the block button can be can be a stressful tool to wield (or I think it should be, anyway) but I think it is time. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  23. Support Strongly.--MONGO 05:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  24. YES! Finally, I think I can support. NSLE 05:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  25. Support I see nothing in the posts by RX Strangelove's oppose to go that way. Not really that big of a concern and those seem to be legit edits. We can't leave a comment for every edit, Jaranda has nearly 1,600 user talk edits so that seems pretty good. Yanksox 05:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  26. Support. Definitely. Jaranda's always struck me as a very good editor, with a level head and good contributions. RyanGerbil10 (Drop on in!) 05:44, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  27. Support per above. Great user. DarthVader 06:19, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  28. Support He is a good editor and I have no doubt that he will put admin tools to good use.--Dakota ~ 07:24, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  29. Support. It's about friggin' time. This editor's been through RfA four six times before (I found the last one before when I did a search specifically to find out why this editor wasn't an admin.) And I still felt they deserved another chance. Not only productive, but appears to have a greatly improved temperament. Grandmasterka 07:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  30. Support, per Grandmasterka Will (message me!) 10:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  31. Merovingian {T C @} 10:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  32. Support, has long been a contributor to our community in many ways. Would make a good admin, I think. --Improv 13:26, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  33. Absolute Support. Was waiting for a chance to ask the candidate if I could nominate. Werdna (talk) 14:24, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  34. Support per nom. -- Chris Lester 14:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  35. Support - 14th time lucky? - Hahnchen 14:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  36. Support: Why not? --Bhadani 15:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  37. Support Tim! 17:04, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  38. Support, long time contributor. Will be a great admin. Afonso Silva 17:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  39. Strong support would make a wonderful admin -- Where 17:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  40. Weak support seems like a good user and I like the comment on not wasting time in question 2. However, I was honestly a bit surprised to see his native-English-speaker userbox because his writing frequently includes minor spelling and grammar errors. (Ironically, one previous RfA ended in "no consicious, because of communicaton and spelling concerns, in which I dealt with.") Maybe try a browser-integrated spell checker? Opabinia regalis 18:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  41. Strong Support for opposing cruft. - Kookykman|(t)e 19:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  42. Support It is time to give hi the mop. --Siva1979 19:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  43. Strong Support What his (slight) faults, Jaranda has never failed to display kindness and a willingness to discuss with fellow editors. He has ample experience and a firm grasp of policy. The complaints against him do not reflect qualities that lead one to become a bad administrator. He should have been approved long, long ago. Xoloz 19:37, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  44. Support, get it over with. — Jun. 24, '06 <freak|talk>
  45. Support the "I quit" stuff is a little bothersome, but there's no reason to suspect it would make him abuse admin tools. It's not like he started vandalizing articles or making personal attacks during any of the incidents, he just said he was leaving. Other than that one blemish on his record, he's a great contributer and Wikipedian, and should be an admin if he wants to be. --W.marsh 21:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  46. Support. Good experiences interacting with this user. Elle vécut heureuse (Be eudaimonic!) 22:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  47. Support, per nomination --Mhking 22:23, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  48. supportBenon 22:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  49. Strong Support; yet another "I thought ____ was already an Admin!". — Deckiller 00:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
  50. Support, be chilled and ease into the post. Deizio talk 02:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
  51. Support, has shown himself very capable over the years. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
  52. Support Highway 07:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
  53. Support strong devotion to project, good judgement ˉˉ╞┬╡ 10:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
  54. Support, without reservation. --Terence Ong (Chat | Contribs) 11:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Having read comments below from the candidate himself, I am a little bit concerned at the apparent over-sensitiveness of this user. I don't think he'll benefit Misplaced Pages as an admin in the long run. Chacor 04:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    How does that affect anything? I've mad good edits. Chacor 04:15, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    I find it peculiar that you'd find RfA after only making 26 edits. SushiGeek 04:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    I saw a link on someone's talk page. Surely the number of edits I've made has no difference on my right to post my thoughts? Chacor 04:24, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    Well, dear Chacor, you must admit it is unusual to see a user so new voicing his opinion on RfA, as it is to see him moving pages and editing templates with such familiarity. Out of plain curiosity, which user's talk page are you referring to? Because at this very moment, only Cactus.man's links to this RfA (and that, by transcluding Dragons flight's RFA summary). Best regards, Phædriel ♥ tell me - 04:54, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    I have prior experience in editing at other Wikis, not related to Misplaced Pages. Plus, I found out about adminship reading a talk page of a Tropical cyclone admin, Titoxd. Not this adminship in question. Chacor 05:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    That explains it all. Thanks for satisfying my curiosity, and welcome to en.wiki, Chacor :) Phædriel ♥ tell me - 13:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  2. Oppose Still worried about volatility issues. I also see a lot of reverting over content issues (non-vandalism) without followup comments to either the user talk page or the article talk page. Just some examples: , , . I'm not crazy about the reverting pattern and would worry about rollback usage. Rx StrangeLove 05:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    I disagree. Aranda currently has a rollback button (GML), but didn't use it in those circumstances. I see no reason to think that he'd use admin rollback for things like that. Also, they're not like major rewrites, except for the first they're just small edits, so I don't see a need for follow ups on talks (though the 3rd might warrant a {{spam}}, it's really not that big a deal, and was probably in good faith, so it's not necessary). --Rory096 05:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    Well, it's still reverting good faith edits without any discussion, and it's something I saw happening without looking too far into the contribs. I also don't consider Yourtube links used in that manner spam...but we can disagree these things. Rx StrangeLove 06:04, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  3. Oppose Although it has been months since this user's last RfA, he has withdrawn and declared "I quit" so many times, I can't trust this user to appropriately handle the additional stress administrators have to face. joturner 20:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    Oh gimmie a break, if he quits, we lose one administrator, its not like he's going to raise hell with the buttons! -- Tawker 20:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    I'm getting that oppose vote as no one can have a second chance, which isn't really fair in general, I don't mind though. Thanks Jaranda 20:54, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    This isn't your second chance, Jaranda; this is your seventh chance. I voted neutral in your last RfA, but because you withdrew and "quit" in that RfA as well, I'm voting oppose this time. Perhaps in the future (if, of course, this RfA doesn't pass). joturner 21:24, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  4. Oppose per above. Too many conflicts/acting out per answers below. --JJay 22:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  5. Oppose Jorge has grown and developed as a wikipedia editor in the last nine months. I am still worried by his obsession with becoming an admin. I have lost count of how many RfA he has done and he always seems to come back here too soon. On April 2nd, after his last RfA, he said "I'm not going to try again until longer, August 21st at the earlist,". This would have been all well and good, but, as usual, he speaks sense and then his actions do not follow that up. On top of this, the amount of stress this user seems to get from editing here is very worrying from the perspective of his own sanity and from the perspective of what he may do with the extra powers. How do i know that Jorge will not make unwarranted blocks or page deletions when he is under stress? Will he have the sense to step back? I don't know, but from the repeated melodramas that are a recurring theme i just don't feel comfortable voting support. I want to reiterate that Jorges editing has improved massively since he arrived and he is an EXCELLENT editor.
    So what will make me vote support? I would like to see emotional maturity; no tantrums or blow ups. As i mentioned in the link above, back in April.
    "Almost all the oppose votes were due to the melodrama. Your English, vandal work and work on starting new sporting articles are all excellent and you are so much more rounded than the newbie from six months ago. In that context, you are clearly ready to be an excellent admin. BUT, next time you choose to write something dramatic don't hit save, hit delete. Count to 10 or something, but don't post it on wikipedia. Please."
    But since then we have seen more melodrama. I'm really sorry to vote oppose as i know Jorge wants this badly. But I have to be consistent with my gut feelings. David D. (Talk) 22:44, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    That was back in early April, my last RFA was in late March, I feel that 3 months is enough time. Thanks Jaranda 22:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    Here are a few questions.
    1) So why did you say August 21st?
    2) Why have you decided to leave wikipedia at least twice since then? This does not seem to be in keeping with a user who sould be an administrator.
    3) Why do you think you would be a good administrator when you do not seem to handle the stress here very well?
    4) Do you think being an adminsistrator would make your time here more or less stressful?
    Some of the answers to 2 have been touched on below but these are the four things that i find the most troublesome with regard to this RfA. David D. (Talk) 22:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    I personally emailed David D with the response because of privacy issues. Thanks Jaranda 23:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  6. Oppose per above Mexcellent 23:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  7. Oppose (changed from Neutral) after some deliberation. -- Миборовский 05:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
  8. Oppose per numerous threats to quit WP. I am sorry. - CrazyRussian talk/email 05:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Neutral
  1. I just have an uneasy feeling. Good contributor, but I'm a little worried about the wikistress. He says he's handling it, but the last time he tried to quit was this month- June 2, when his userpage was deleted. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 01:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    I deleted my userpage because I had personal info on it, and I was too involved in the Brandt situation. Thanks Jaranda 01:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  2. Neutral - Great contributor with the need of sysop tools. Though this edit makes me worry about his apparent knowledge on image tagging policy. Where a image should be tagged {{PUIdisputed}} and be listed on Misplaced Pages:Possibly unfree images was tagged with {{no license}} instead. Also, admin needs to make a hard decision in many situations, I would worry if a admin is afraid to make them. --WinHunter 01:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  3. Neutral per CanadianCaesar. Roy A.A. 16:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
    Neutral: I do not feel that his frequent withdrawal issue is resolved. Explanation in comments section does not reassure... :S -- Миборовский 18:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  4. Neutral per above --WillMak050389 18:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  5. Neutral Concerns about judgement (getting involved in unnecessary conflict and drama) and ability to handle stress. If believed editor was only going to use admin powers to close out *FDs and the like (as suggested by answer to Q#1, this would not be a jarge issue. However, answer (04:28, 24 June 2006) ending right above Nobleeagle's question, suggests that the editor would be placing a fair number of blocks, this worries me. The editor makes regular and valuable contributions to WP, but need to become an admin, and troubling history suggest voting against. Pete.Hurd 02:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
  6. Neutral I am for creating more admins, but JJay's oppose vote does give me pause... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Folajimi (talk • contribs)
Comments
  • Ok I'm going to say the truth about all this wikistreess stuff. The problem is that I could handle any wiki stress but I panic a lot when it comes to RFA I don't know why. Most of the times I tried to leave was because I edit too much here and I'm the only one of my friends who does that, and sometimes I get make fun of because of that. A lot of time which I could have spent with my friends and stuff instead goes to wikipedia and I don't like that. I could handle wikistress easily, but I do need time for myself as well, my grades even went down some, I always used RFA as an excuse to leaving, but that was a deadly mistake. I like wikipedia and I'm not planing to leave anytime soon. I hope you understand and please forgive me. Thanks Jaranda 23:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Note I've had quite a few RFAs, mostly withdrawn RFAs mainly because I was afraid of them, and when I get a serious oppose, I quickly withdraw. I promise I won't withdraw from this one
May I be allowed to have a little fun with "spelling concerns" being "dealt with" in the same sentence in which you misspelled "consensus"? ;) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 05:02, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

But I'm rather proud that I failed those RFAs, they gave me much more experince in wikipedia, and gave me more time for articles, something which I probaly wouldn't of happened if I become an admin sooner. Thanks Jaranda 01:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC) 

Username Jaranda
Total edits 13697
Distinct pages edited 8168
Average edits/page 1.677
First edit 20:35, August 20, 2005
(main) 6727
Talk 583
User 558
User talk 1612
Image 365
Template 28
Template talk 21
Help 2
Category 17
Misplaced Pages 3631
Misplaced Pages talk 151
Portal 2

 G.He 01:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Linuxbeak
  • The reason why I'm not indicating an implicit support, oppose or neutral is because I do not want a conflict of interest if I end up closing this RFA. I will indicate this, however: Jaranda is an excellent editor and a trustworthy person. My experiences with him have been nothing but positive. He has come to me for help and advice on multiple occasions when he has been confused or uncertain. I see this as a sign of self-aware maturity; he has obviously learned to seek guidance when the going gets tough. This is important in any administrator. I'm afraid that all too often admins do not cooperate or mediate with each other, and instead cause unnecessary stress and work.
  • In addition, I have been closely involved and informed of Jaranda's previous departures. Out of respect for him, I will not expound upon them, but I will say that the circumstances were at the very least extraordinary. Jaranda is an energetic, helpful member of our community, and I think we will be for the better when he is eventually given adminship. Linuxbeak (AAAA!) 00:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
    (Disclaimer: I voted support for Jaranda.) Come on, Linuxbeak, you (a bureaucrat) come in here, unambiguously put your weight endorcing this candidate, then you write above I'm not indicating an implicit support? That's exactly what you are doing, and it would be appropriate if you don't close this RfA. I hope no offence taken, I know your heart is in the right place. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
    I concur with Oleg here. Translation: I can't support Jaranda, but I'll say all these great things about him. I have no problem with you endorsing the candidate, but I just find it strange that you would say you can't endorse the candidate and then go ahead and... well... endorse the candidate. joturner 06:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
    There is no pleasing you people, is there? Linuxbeak (AAAA!) 11:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:

1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Misplaced Pages backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
A: As an admin I would be closing AfDs, CFDs, and MFDs, in which I've been rather inactive in recently, for example but still knowledgeable in. I also would do Recent Changes patrol as a rollback button, monitor AIV and block vandals when necessary. I would also work in the WP:3RR and administrators noticeboard, where I can be an help. I would mainly work with images though, like attacking the backlog at Category:Images with the same name on Wikimedia Commons and work with copyvios and no source images where I'm more of an expert of. I'm most still gonna concentrate mostly on my present activities like expanding sports related articles. Jaranda 00:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
2. Of your articles or contributions to Misplaced Pages, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
A: I have created over 190 articles in wikipedia and expanded more then 25 more. Misplaced Pages is a encyclopedia so I don't waste my time discussing over uncyclopedic userboxes and other junk like that as it's a waste of time and doesn't help the site. User:Jaranda/List of Articles I created or expanded is a list of articles I created or expanded. Among them was History of Miami, Florida an FA, Selena which barely failed WP:FAC, Jack Tatum a WP:GA, and a few other GAs. I also created Misplaced Pages:Wikiproject Florida and I'm proud of my work in Misplaced Pages:Version 0.5. Jaranda 00:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: Yes, I've been in several conflects which I didn't react well. Recently I've had a conflect with Badlydrawnjeff of the notabily of some minor leaguers which made him rather mad, and I'm currently trying to find a solution for it. I also been involved in the Daniel Brandt fiasco, which ended up in me being placed in hivemind. I'm still against Brandt but I should have never been involved in the first place and that was a mistake. I've been blocked for 3RR in Feburary in the Super Bowl article, but I was aware of that and personally asked for the block. I've suffered from extreme cases of Wikistress before causing me to leave wikipedia several times but comeback but I managed to control it. I've also been involved in conflects with Boothy443, Avilla and several other users, but I attempt to solve conflects, and would still do if I've become an admin. I've done alot of silly mistakes before as recently as yesterday when I prodded a school article after seeing a few being deleted via prod, but that was stupid in my fault. I would like to be forgiven for all those mistakes I've done. Thanks Jaranda 01:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
4. (From LV) According to this edit, you were never going to run again. Why the sudden change of heart? What would you say to critics who might think you too rash? Thanks.
I'm not a big fan of RFAs as you might know, but it's hard to edit without the tools that's the problem, I use IRC and I'm tired of asking other admins for things I need, and sometimes they tend to ignore you, or no admins are there so that's a problem. As for the second question, I do get a bit rash sometimes but if pepole think im too rash, I would find out how i'm too rash and will try to improve myself. Thanks Jaranda 01:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Sure, no problem... The last RfA, you left in a huff, saying you would never run again. To me at least, this is like saying "Oh I quit", but then coming back shortly afterwards. I meant rash as in prone to absolutes without deep thought. What would you say to critics who thought you too volatile to trust with admin tools? Thanks again!
A better response. I would say to them that look in my edits non related to RFAs and everyone deserves a second chance, I always panic when it comes to RFAs and I feel like a failre, and I don't know why. I could handle everything other problem rather easily, just not this, I'm going to try to survive this RFA knowing that this will probaly be my last in a long time if I fail. Jaranda 02:23, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
  1. Question for the candidate: Having read your comments, you've had a lot of previous requests. My question is, why should people support you for adminship now? What has changed? Chacor 04:15, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I know that I had several ill advised RFA's, but I do need the tools, today for example I encountered a copyvio violater who refused to listen to my warnings, and was even vandalising my userpage and archives and took a while to block. I'm much more experienced and mature than I was three months ago. Thanks Jaranda 04:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Optional Questions from Nobleeagle (Talk)

Q: What part of Misplaced Pages do you dislike the most or feel most frustrated with in your time here thus far (this can be a user, type of user, policy, restriction etc.)? Have you tried to overcome these and would adminship make life any easier for you?

I get very ticked off about silly debates that is plainly unnessearry, like the userbox wars, which doesn't help wikipedia grow as an enyclopedia at all and waste the times of many valid editors. I ignore that by creating and expanding articles, which help wikipedia, and if I become an admin, I would avoid silly debates, plain and simple. Jaranda 15:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Q: Above you can see a number of statistics about your edits. Do you consider any of these important? Which do you consider most important?

I don't really consider any of my statistics important, maybe my number of edits. Jaranda 15:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Q: Do you have any criteria when voting in RFAs? If so please present them, if not then it doesn't matter.

Yes I do have a criteria when voting in RFA. I normally vote support if a user has an good amount of wikiname space edits, and if the name ringed a bell. I don't normally oppose them, only if it's inexperience or a noticeable lack of wikipedia namespace edits. Thanks Jaranda 15:19, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Q: Lastly, what is your largest wiki-weakness? This is your view and doesn't need to be based on the comments placed by oppose or neutral voters.

I had problems with emotions and impatience here in wikipedia. I used to quit wikipedia and comeback alot, especially with RFAs related, but I managed to control it in a way. Also I had problems with impatience back in my early days of wiki. Alot of times I used to place an article on AFD without checking for notabilty. I would continue to work on those problems. Thanks Jaranda 15:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)