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Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources

Please note that the policy says that it "requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations." This means that no citation is required for material that no reasonable person would challenge, and material that is already fully sourced in the body of the article would surely fall into that category, no? See WP:LEADCITE: "Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material. Leads are usually written at a greater level of generality than the body... less likely to require a source." In other words, you could just delete the citation here instead of the text if you thought the citation did nothing to "aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material." If you genuinely wished to challenge the accuracy of that text (you seriously doubt the stories saying Snowden received an asylum permit on August 1?), you could then just add a "citation needed" note.--Brian Dell (talk) 23:10, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Read

Hiya, if you're to continue helping on the Snowden article, it would be tremendously time-saving if you were to read the sources more carefully. Thanks, petrarchan47tc 00:19, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

That isn't very nice. Please try to avoid biting the newcomers. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 21:29, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk page rather than edit warring

How's that sound? I notice you have quite using it, and that is unfortunate if you intend to carry on BDell's months-long edit war over well-cited information. Thanks, petrarchan47tc 20:34, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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Friendly note

Hi there John, just a weird quirk with me, but I wonder if you could refrain from "thanking" me for edits? Nothing personal at all, and I'm glad you're enjoying them ;) Thanks, petrarchan47tc 02:51, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

John, it appears that after my 'friendly note', you have been following me and making edits based on a lack of understanding basic RS guidelines. Regarding Poitras, it was her reporting that won the Pulitzer, which is why the Greenwald and Gellman articles also mention the award, as it was the reporting of the 4 that is recognized as responsible. Wikihounding can be easily proven, and isn't smiled upon. Do not follow me around. Why would you complain at the article where I added this Pulitzer mention, but not the other 2 journalists?

Another problem is your tagging my cited information at Snowden. What I typed is found in the source. I am not responsible for proving that what the author wrote is fact, nor expanding upon it by naming specific critics/incidents. Thanks, petrarchan47tc 23:09, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Binksternet. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Talk:Edward Ssnowden that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Misplaced Pages needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. reference. Binksternet (talk) 04:16, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

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Aren't these supposed to be signed by the user that leaves them? You know, so there's a paper trail? Geogene (talk) 21:11, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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Please cite your source for alleging that I "have a negative relationship with Blogcritics, having written for them in the past, and then engaged in online attacks against them." JohnValeron (talk) 18:55, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

You know the deal, man. I don't need to explain it to you. If I cited my source I would be violating the WP:OUTING guideline. Binksternet (talk) 19:02, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Just as I thought. You have no source. You are desperately seeking to punish me for my insistence that Edward Snowden be edited in accordance with Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view, which directs: "Editors, while naturally having their own points of view, should strive in good faith to provide complete information, and not to promote one particular point of view over another. As such, the neutral point of view does not mean exclusion of certain points of view, but including all verifiable points of view which have sufficient due weight." JohnValeron (talk) 19:30, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

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Re: ANI Thread

I understand your concern, but there is an essay that has resisted deletion for a long time because there is serious legitimacy to it's message. Depite it's name, check out Misplaced Pages:Don't-give-a-fuckism and see if it doesn't make some kind of sense.--v/r - TP 23:41, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Not a problem at all. Hopefully the day will come where you will give a fuck too. JohnValeron (talk) 00:40, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

(shrug) Do what you want, it ain't me facing a ban. One of our approaches to this project is working and the other isn't, unfortunately, I just DGAF to figure out whose. Parting wisdom - good luck. I'm out.--v/r - TP 03:27, 7 May 2014 (UTC)