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Ronald Duncan (martial arts)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/User:CrazyAces489/Ron_Duncan

Recreated, deleted, needs second article debate as page was userfied, moved to mainspace and deleted CrazyAces489 (talk) 14:08, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

As per a suggestion by Thincat, I am recreating an article to put it on AFD so that it may be considered for main space Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2014 October 1. The previous article was deleted with one keep vote and two weak deletes (see Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Ron_Duncan). A current version of the article for mainspace is available here User:CrazyAces489/Ron_Duncan or in the history of Ronald Duncan. CrazyAces489 (talk) 13:52, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

• Comment I can't really see the point of this exercise. The new article could simply be posted under the title, but I would advise revising it a bit first as it looks rather promotional in wording (yes, things can be promo even though the subject is deceased). I've not checked the references, and know very little about martial arts. The page under this title doesn't need a second debate here when there is nothing in the page to debate. The new draft is not eligible for debate here as this is Articles for Deletion, not Miscellany for Deletion. Peridon (talk) 19:03, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
• comment can someone undelete this article and talk page so that people can see the article to make an assessment. CrazyAces489 (talk) 04:28, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

  Please do not do that, the article had multiple contributors, but the article there was a cut and paste from somewhere causing a copyright issue. And the correct venue for reviewing a deleted article is DRV. --86.2.216.5 (talk) 10:21, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

  CommentPlease do not accuse me of putting together a cut and paste job unless you can find the alleged source of it. There is no way that occurred as the article. 13:25, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

• Speedy Close - Wrong Venue if CrazyAces489 wishes to challenge the G4 deletion of the article, then it needs to go to DRV not AFD. The article was deleted as a G4 deletion, since the last AFD deleted it and the DRV endorsed the outcome, CrazyAces489 decided not to bother with the consensus of either and just cherry picked one comment from the DRV regarding recreate and AFD. He did then proceeded to do the first part, recreating this at the new title a month or so ago, but didn't do the second part until it was pointed out to him. An admin must have noticed and G4 deleted it yesterday (20 Dec) at which point CrazyAces created a blank page to AFD. The version previously userfied should be bought up to scratch (Remove all the cites to trivial mentions, blogs, vanity press and other unacceptable sources) then bought back to DRV. --86.2.216.5 (talk) 10:21, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
• CommentThe AFD deleted it a while ago with what I saw to be a weak majority. The DRV put forth a suggestion to recreate the article and go through the DRV process. I would ask 86, that you use a better tone, as you are cominig off very rude to me. I am only trying to create good articles of individuals within the martial arts community. Am I a great at this? No, but I am learning this as the process goes along. CrazyAces489 (talk) 13:25, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Comment The main issue for the DRV decline is the overwhelming number of questionable sources which makes the article untenable - hard to find notability in a sea of s... Two further creations of CrazyAces489 are currently up in AfD debate Kiyoshi Shiina and Jerome Mackey with essentially the same problem. Instead of addressing or understanding the issue we see an attempt to end run.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:35, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I would say it's very rude to ignore community consensus. Your statements are ultimately disingenuous, DRV is not and I'm sure you full well know a request for ideas where you get to decide which of them to implement. And even then as is factually quite clear you didn't follow even that "suggestion" since you restored it over a month ago without bothering to relist. --86.2.216.5 (talk) 13:52, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

• Speedy Close - Wrong Venue This is a pointless effort and not sure why it was attempted. CrazyAces489 is certainly aware of the DRV process having used it before. The entry should be deleted until resolved. Frankly the original AfD was long enough before that a repost would most likely be AfD rather than PROD'd.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 12:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

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