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Reminders to self after block has been lifted

Replace (and monitor) tag 'blatantvandal' on Anwar saadat's talk page (which he clears periodically)
Check all articles for vandalism by Anwar saadat
Check all edits made by Anwar saadat in the last few days. Any of his standard terrorist-sympathetic POV must be reported either as vandalism, or reported to Nobleeagle as such.
Monitor and police Anwar saadat's edits indefinitely into the future. It seems he wants to engage in Jihad on wikipedia. How boring.
Watch for edits from WikiSceptic also
Monitor articles on Bal Thackeray , revert saadat's POV changes in Manu Smriti.
Add the following link as proof of Arundhati roy's lies on the 2002 Gujarat Violence article
http://www.hvk.org/specialrepo/guild/13.html. Back up 'hindutva' POV website with :  : ::
PRESENTLY REVERTED BY &*@&@*&. MONITOR.
Another reminder. The following articles should be added to Misplaced Pages Shiv Sena article once the block on the article has been lifted.
http://www.banglalive.com/news/NonLeadNewsDetail437_7_2006.asp
http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/01072002/0107200274.htm
http://in.rediff.com/election/2004/apr/23espec3.htm
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=NEWS&id=1069646264
Add links balancing the anti-Hindu POV on he calif. Hindu ontroversy atricle.

(Netaji 01:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC))

The following goes in the article on hindutva

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/nov/19joshi.htm

Anwar saadat , classic vandal

Hi,

Sorry to bother you again, but user Anwar saadat has vandalized my user page again and provided no legitimate reason. He has provided no legitimate justification for removing all of my information from my user talk page, just something vague about tags, which he has evidently manufactured as an excuse. Please look into the matter. Just because I have been blocked does not give a user the liscence to attack my user page.

Thanks, Regards, SB (Netaji 22:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

Welcome!

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Personal attacks

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Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Hinduism

Why don't you join Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Hinduism? There's plenty for you to do. --Dangerous-Boy 20:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll see. I am an amateur scholar only as far as the details of Hinduism (as a religion) is concerned, and it's damn near impossible to find unbiased non-racist literature on Hinduism here in the American Academia. What I can do is write about Hindu/Indian history, of which I know a bit. Most wikipedia articles on Hindu History (not Hindu religion) are pretty okay, though. ] 08:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)]
A great book on Hinduism is Classical Hindu Thought: An Introduction by Arvind Sharma (Oxford University Press, 2000). It's a very thorough introduction on Hinduism written by a Hindu. Dr. Sharma is also a Professor of Comparative Religion at McGill University in Montreal, Canada. Also, I would read any books on Hinduism you can find by Prof. Ariel Glucklich. I've studied under him and he's also an excellent scholar on Hinduism. --Hnsampat 16:59, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

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Basawala

Please read my "user etymology" section on my userpage, if that would help. Basawala 00:21, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Hindutva

You might want to take a look at this. Nobleeagle (Talk) 02:25, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, already knew most of the content of the article. I'm quite a fan of Subhash babu. Even saw the place where he grew up in Cuttack. Most Indians are completely ignorant of Subhash babu beyond his name and a vague idea of his role. Only in Bengal (and to some extent, in Orissa) is he well-known.(Netaji 04:55, 2 July 2006 (UTC))

Changes to Babri Masjid

You have deleted the following - which is necessary for understanding the context:

Muslim claims over the site are largely represented by the All India Babri Masjid Action Committee, demanding the restoration of the site and the mosque. It also holds that the case should be decided by the courts and if it is proved that a Hindu Temple existed at the spot the same will be handed over to the Hindu party; while the Hindu parties have been asking the minority Muslims to show magnanimity by handing over the land for the construction of the temple.

Trusted Media Sources

You have made changes to the timeline.I propose to use http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1844930.stm as a balanced news source.If you make changes based on Sangh Parivar based texts - dont make them appear as though coming from neutral media.They are parties to the dispute.

Rushdie 10:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks and incivility

Hello. I'm afraid that this off-topic inflammatory rant (), this inference that another user is a terrorist (), and again here telling a user to join Hezbollah, again claiming terrorism (), is completely unacceptable, so in accordance with WP:NPA you have been blocked, for a week. Please stick to debating the contents of the article as you seem to have good knowledge of this without making grave insults to other users. Blnguyen | rant-line 02:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Why haven't you restricted the users who added anti-Hindu hate-speech to the article in question? Please let me know. (Netaji 02:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC))
    • Can you show me which parts. It certainly seems like there are POV problems in the article, but I can't see anyone using the article to incite hatred? Blnguyen | rant-line 03:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I apologize for all that silly stuff I typed. I don't suffer fools easily I'm afraid. Nonetheless, here are the anti-Hindu hate-speeches that were in the article (now that I can't edit it, it is sure to come back):
   "They say that it prove that the Hindu militants believe in "bloodshed and manslaughter" as a means to achieve their goals"
   is unsubstantiated. Hindutva charter clearly states "Harm no creature, but if they attack you, fight back"
   "since the killing of Sikhs after the assassination of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi"
   Is irrelevant, since the Sikh riots were perpetrated by Congress sympathizers, and has nothing to do with the VHP.
   "gangs of karsevaks"
   Is biased, kar-sevaks don't form gangs. How'd you like it if someone said "gangs of Hamas members"? :"shouting 'Jai Shri Ram'"
   Is irrelevant. So they were shouting stuff. Not unlike "Allahu-Akbar", is it?
   These communities speak of how the Muslims of the town supplied the wood used to build the temples of the Hindus and grew flowers to string around the necks of the gods and goddesses (Dutas and Devis)."
   Yeah, right. And I'm a 23000-year old Buddhist Vampire. Show proof.
   "Secondly, this idea of relocating could be considered only in the case of grave necessity and not the whims and fancies of any community that has hegemonous mentality and claims from three to thirty thousands more mosques as being built on destroyed Hindu temples."
   Is obvious POV
   "fantasize on other Muslim heritage coming up with a story on birth of their dieties, places of their marriage or their death and claim those Muslim monuments as their own."
   Bad grammar. I prefer grammatically correct hate-speech, don't you? There is absolutely no proof of this allegation specifically. Maybe in a general sense, but the specificity is wrong, POV, biased, and hate-speech against Hindus. Notice that there is no hate-speech against muslims in my edits.
Plus, earlier versions of the article (see history) denounce Hindus as nazis and such. Those inflammatory tirades are sure to return, as this article ranks #1 on google for search of "Babri mosque", and given the overwhelming number of muslims editing the article, presenting a violent reactionary anti-Hindu POV. Once they know I have been blocked, their euphoria will prompt them to restore the hate-speech I have so meticulously deleted (without compromising the muslim POV). I request you to let me edit the page. You may monitor the talk page for anything inappropriate. If I see anything inflammatory myself, I'll forward a notice to you.

Thank you.(Netaji 03:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC))

I'm looking into the conduct of the others. I'm rather concerned by the strong sentiments expressed on the userpage, as they are generally recommended against. In the meantime I have asked User:Nobleeagle, User:Rama's Arrow and User:Bharatveer to keep an eye on it as they seem to be interested in these matters. If you would like another admin to review the block, please use {{unblock}} .Blnguyen | rant-line 06:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I contact you because I'm still a blocked user on wikipedia and since you were the architect behind my censure. I wish to point out that the article on the Hindu Rashtra has been mercilessly vandalized by miscreants. The following section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Hindu_Rashtra#External_Links

has several links (some defunct) that point to content irrelevant to the article, and are part of a deliberate ploy of defamation when taken out of context. If you concur, then kindly see to it that these links are removed. I also recommend that you (or a designated user) monitor the article for further acts of vandalism. These acts of vandalism have been committed by user who has been repeatedly censored for vandalism and has even been blocked. 

Thank You,

(Netaji 09:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC))

User page

Misplaced Pages is not a political battleground. Please work on editing articles, not on inciting political movements here. Please read Misplaced Pages:User page guidelines. `'mikka (t) 17:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Unblocking

I am unblocking you now hoping that your knowledge will be valuable for wikipedia.

Please remember very seriously one thing: do not attack other wikipedians regardless their behavior. Personal attacks is the main reason of many editors to become permanently banned from editing wikipedia. Even creation of new accounts does not help. `'mikka (t) 18:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Please extend the same courtesy to wikipedians using it as a podium for anti-Hindu hate-speech. Particluarly user Anwaar Sadat (see history) who has been filling wikipedia articles with anti-Hindu POV and Islamic Fundamentalist hate-speech, where the criterion for hate-speech is as defined by the anti-Defamation league of B'Nai B'Rith (not a hindu org)(Netaji 23:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)).
Please make specific complaints. As you may have noticed, I don't edit Hindu-related articles at all. And there is no user:Anwaar Sadat. If you want me to help you, please make my life easy by providing easy reference to everything you are talking about. `'mikka (t) 02:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Mea culpa. The Chap I was talking about is login:Anwar Saadat Anwar Saadat. He has written the following statement on the article of Babri Mosque:

"They rightly claim that if Hindus succeed in snatching away Babri Masjid from Muslims, it will be made a precedent to extend the agitation to every other place of religious importance to the Muslims in India"

The tone is highly biased (particularly the adverb 'rightly') and a well known anti-Hindu canard. Plus, he has vandalised the article by removing citations I had posted.(Netaji 03:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC))

In addition, he has added irrelevant links to the article on the HIndu Rashtra that are out of context. These irrelevant links are posted below:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060602/wl_sthasia_afp/afplifestyleindiasocietysnakemarriageoffbeat;_ylt=AiW7ZHtynWjQXrCLVupDk6JvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM - Charmed woman marries Cobra Story on Yahoo News on a Hindu Woman marrying a Snake! (June 2006) http://in.news.yahoo.com/060606/139/64tsy.html -Jain saints' nude march evokes strong resentment in Tamil Nadu Story on Yahoo News about Hindu women anger against nude Jains (May 2006)

I am extremely disappointed with the bias in moderator such as yourself when anti-Hindus vandalize articles and get away with it, and I try to report the facts and get banned. If you do not allow reporting the truth then wikipedia is no different from a supermarket rag. (Netaji 09:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC))

You have been unblocked and it does not work? What is your IP address. I'll see if I can fix that.Blnguyen | rant-line 04:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

66.68.106.162 is my modem's ip (I'm behind a router is that matters, it shouldn't) (Netaji 04:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Have a try now??Blnguyen | rant-line 04:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. I still seem to be blocked.

See Screenshot http://www.flickr.com/photos/68825726@N00/186136831/ (Netaji 04:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Anti Hindu Propaganda

He Netaji! congrats for your remarkable posts on wikipedia. A lot of anti hindu and anti India propoganda going on on Khalistan. There seems to be a revert war going on right now. I removed some anti hindu edits myself. Thought you might want to have a look. 203.197.216.5 03:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm presently blocked from editing, so keep up the good work, I should be up-and-running in a few days. (Netaji 04:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC))
One other thing. Please monitor the following articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Hindu_Rashtra http://en.wikipedia.org/2002_Gujarat_violence http://en.wikipedia.org/Californian_Hindu_textbook_controversy http://en.wikipedia.org/Aryan_invasion_theory http://en.wikipedia.org/Bal_Thackeray http://en.wikipedia.org/Michael_E._J._Witzel http://en.wikipedia.org/Arranged_marriage These are prime watering holes for muslims and socialists.(Netaji 04:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)) And get a login. It helps (Netaji 04:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Oh, and one important thing. Be sure to weed out any anti-Sikh propaganda in the article also. Do not offend Sikh sensibilities. Sikhs are a valuable ally against muslims.(Netaji 16:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

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--D-Boy 05:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

==Request Admin to look up sockpuppet of Netaji== + Netaji seems to be using a sockpuppet , and the language and tone remains aggressive. From the strong opinion earlier expressed on user page, abusive language, sockpuppery and continued abusive language it does not seem this candidate should be allowed online. Haphar 14:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

More proof of sockpuppetry

More proof , as edits to Netaji's user page have been under the sockpuppet Pusyamitra Sunga id . Haphar 14:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you stop harassing my poor brother Pusyamitra and pick on someone else? WE HAVE DIFFERENT IP's and are NOT THE SAME USER!Learn to accept the simple fact of life.(Netaji 14:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Request to Admin- User Netaji deleting comments left on talk page showing sockpuppetry

Deleting stuff on the talk page ? Not done sir. Everyone please look at history of page for sockpuppetry proofs. Haphar 14:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Well if you want to create problems I don't suppose I can stop you. We are different people, though. That is a fact. And I am perfectly within my rights to remove vandalism from my talk page. Baseless accusations are vandalism. Plus, our ip addresses are from entirely different domains (we are in different places and communicate by IM). There are no proxy servers allowed on wikipedia, so it can;t be that. ALORS!!! You have no alternatives to suggest how I have pulled off this dastardly deed. Sorry.(Netaji 14:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC))
How about a home pc and an office/ college pc? :-) That was easy ! Also there are basis for the accusations , given in the mail. So it is not vandalism.
At the same time? We were simultaneously editing (check logs). That would be some feat indeed, wouldn't it? I must be the god Shiva himself, to violate the laws of causality and zip to my office in zero time :).(Netaji 05:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC))
No two networks at the same location is a more logical ( and less Godlike) solution to that one. As it has now been proved that you were doing it it's time to cease the charade . Haphar 08:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

==Request Admin to look up sockpuppet of Netaji== + Netaji seems to be using a sockpuppet , and the language and tone remains aggressive. From the strong opinion earlier expressed on user page , abusive language, sockpuppery and continued abusive language it does not seem this candidate should be allowed online. Haphar 14:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Putting back comments deleted by Netaji/Pusyamitra. Haphar 14:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

More proof

An attempt to cover the tracks by changing an edit Haphar 14:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Attempt to hide aggressive language

Another attempt to cover the tracks by editing his own comments Haphar 15:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Anwar

Myself (who is not Indian) and all the Indian editors are well aware. Blnguyen | rant-line 05:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks you. Why has action not been taken against this fellow?(Netaji 05:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC))
Well, me has been blocked twice, the second by Nichalp, and he has raised the of many Indian admins (check his talk archive) and see Talk:Ajith Kumar. There isn't any policy about being banned for POV editing; If a user keeps on being disruptive and edits in an aggressive way against consensus and won't stop then they will be taken to Arbitration Committee for remedying and likely punishment. There was a problem at Ajith Kumar but Anwar eventually gave up against ten of us, and so that was the end of the matter. Actually, he then went around doing protests, eg at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Blnguyen, Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Ganeshk, Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Rama's Arrow, among others, but many people have done this before and nothing happened. Also, he went to a a lot of Indian-related featured article candidates and opposed them all - eg Misplaced Pages:Featured_list_candidates/List_of_Chief_Ministers_of_Tamil_Nadu, Misplaced Pages:Featured_article_candidates/Indian_Institutes_of_Technology, etc
However, the quickest way to get into trouble is personal attacks. Much easier than any other. If you behaved like him then nothing would happen as long as you steer clear of personal attacks. The only reason that anything would happen is if one went against agreed consensus and persistently caused disruption. Blnguyen | rant-line 05:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. Please understand that I was not making any personal attacks, just polemical ones. Too generic to be directed at any one person. Nonetheless, it's childish. I agree. It's hard not to take the bait that attackers like user WikiSceptic here, where he has attacked a Misplaced Pages admin. He has carried out ad-hominem attacks against my own humble self on the same page.(Netaji 06:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC))


blocked again

Seeing as you immediately resumed attack at Talk:Shiv Sena, I have had to block you again for a week. WikiSceptic has copped ten days as he has been around for a long time and gotten incivil before. Blnguyen | rant-line 08:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

So does this mean the block expires on 08:07, July 18th 2006? Thanks for being fair.(Netaji 08:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC))
Yes.Blnguyen | rant-line 08:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Still homesick?

The street reality is that muslims just slaughtered ~200 mumbaikars. Go cheer with them.(Netaji 03:03, 12 July 2006 (UTC))
Why are you implying that I am a Muslim? If someone doesn't support criminal fanatics like Shiv Sena, does not not remain Hindu? --Wikindian 17:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
The fact remains that people who make baseless accusations against SS usually are usually anti-Hindua or self-hating Hindus. SS is a DECISIVE political party and people like you are just afraid of the truth.Francois Gautier points this out most succintly in his writings...(Netaji 21:20, 16 July 2006 (UTC))

Vandal Warning due to your nonsense in Ram Janmabhoomi

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Vandal Warning due to your nonsense in Manu Smriti

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Vandal Warning due to your nonsense in Hindu Rashtra

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