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March 2015

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March 2015

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Harar. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Sir.,

Why did you remove Harari from the Benadiri page? I found the similarities interesting that both groups were forged from city centres. Zekenyan (talk) 22:54, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Hahah, didn't you state they weren't related? AcidSnow (talk) 01:46, 19 March 2015 (UTC):

Dont follow me around. Zekenyan (talk) 03:08, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I am not. In fact, I was here six days before you.

Because the Hararis and the Benadiri people are not related. Harari234 18:08, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I didnt say they were related. they are both city exclusive ethnic groups. Zekenyan (talk) 00:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Your post on my page

Reply:

I'm well aware... In fact there's some proof that there are some likely very old "Harari" loanwords (more specifically Southern Ethio-Semitic) in Somali , but it's just that the current "ethnicity" as we know it owes a lot of its "existence" to Somali figures like Nur ibn Mujahid & has a lot of weird dubious connections to Somalis (claiming an ancestor shared with the Sheekhaal clan etc.) but I dunno why you felt the need to post this on my page; knowing that Southern Ethio-Semitic peoples ancestral to Hararis existed before Harar's existence requires only common sense. Awale-Abdi (talk) 10:27, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

You must have entirely misunderstood. I was saying that by De La Editor's logic Hararis would be Arabs simply because they're a group in the Horn claiming an Arabian genealogy. None of these genealogies are legitimate as the genetic data on the Horn has been showing us as of late although Hararis have sadly not been tested for their autosomal DNA data but I doubt they'll come up with real "Arab" ancestry to be connected to their genealogy as Somalis from all over Greater Somalia, Oromos, Habeshas like Amharas & Tigrinyas and Xamir Agaws have not. Also, I'm not saying there is a true connection between the Sheekhaal and Hararis in terms of blood but both groups claim descent from Abadir-> this does turn into a "connection" between the two. I'm just assuming it was you who left that post on my page and forgot to sign? Awale-Abdi (talk) 05:58, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

"He was Arab, not Somali"

If you can't grasp what the two genealogies for the Walashma clearly point to then I don't know what to say to you. By your logic all Somalis & all Hararis are "Arabs"... What you need to get is that both genealogies including one shared by Harari historians , Cerulli got this genealogy from Harar point to Somali figures who in turn claimed Arab genealogies just like you as a Harari would claim Abadir as an ancestor or I would claim Aqeel Ibn Abi Talib as an ancestor-> these genealogies are mostly fake as the genetic data on Horners has been showing us. Anyway, there's really no arguing with those genealogies and how they clearly connect the Walashma to Somalis... Stop warring, mate. Awale-Abdi (talk) 10:52, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Let me tell you that it wouldn't make any sense if Walashma was a Somalized Arabs or Arabized Somalis dynasty. Walashma was a dynasty that spoke Semitic, not Cushitic . So I don't see the point that you have to claim the dynasty SOMALIZED Arabs or Arabized Somalis. The dynasty though would have been multi-ethnic by the backgrounds they have including: Arggoba, Harari, Gurage, Arabs and etc. Perhaps their would've been a little Somali background in the dynasty because of what you added before. Also Umar was an Arab from hijaz, you may deny this all you like, but this is the truth. And there is a reason to argue about this because what you said that the dynasty was "Somalized Arabs or Arabized Somalis" even though it isn't true. Hararis234 (talk) 17:27, 26 March 2015

Um, other than Somali they spoke Arabic which itself is a Semtic. Are you listening to what is said to you? I am pretty sure Midday has already pointed this out. AcidSnow (talk) 23:48, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

no original research. I can tell you that they spoke Swahili. Zekenyan (talk) 23:55, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, they spoke Arabic, but they were not Somalized so get that in your mind. Hararis234 (talk) 19:35, 26 March 2015