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The term "science historian" (as used in this article's first line and in the first sentence of the Merchants of Doubt section) is not one with which anyone in the history of science community self-identifies. It would accord better with usage if someone would change it to "historian of science."

Resource: Naomi Oreskes: fierce defender of climate change science – and scientists

Resource: Naomi Oreskes: fierce defender of climate change science – and scientists in the Christian Science Monitor July 18, 2011 by Randy Dotinga 99.181.134.246 (talk) 21:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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Historian Hunts for Motives Behind Climate Change Doubt-Mongering: A Q&A with Naomi Oreskes "Historians search for those behind climate change contrarianism has documented the evolution of those raising doubts" by Rae Tyson and The Daily Climate Scientific American November 21, 2011 99.181.142.144 (talk) 06:34, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Naomi

Naomi seems to have been born in about 1960. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.202.87 (talk) 15:07, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

External links

USCD homepage link has died. Peaceandlonglife (talk) 09:08, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Third party sources

The article lacks third party sources in general
Background section uses lists of essays instead of describing her work and carrer
The Science and society essay section lacks any third party sourcing
The Merchants of Doubt section relies on a Grauniad article, and so far contains no review of scientific value

Serten 15:03, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussion of the lack of third party sources

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User:Prokaryotes erased the only scientific reviews contained in the article so far. I don't see wether any contentious AfD has to do with third party reviews being erased. One was published in BioSocieties, the other one in Nature. The lack of third party quality sources is evident. Grauniad is not science btw. I will insofar restore the tagging first and wait for comments here second. I have however the impression, that dual and partisan standards are being used on related articles, see neutrality tag and the user trying to do away with scientific sources of the highest quality has a conflict of interest (COI). Serten 13:01, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I suggest you take a step back, think about your recent edits and arguments, and wait until the AfD discussion of Reiner Grundmann is complete. prokaryotes (talk) 13:07, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

You last edit comment was somewhat emotional. I would prefer you started to improve the article instead of deleting valid content and or appropriate tags. The use of real life scientific studies relevant for this subject is not impaired by any outcome of any AfD I am aware of. Serten 13:50, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused about your tags. Taking them one at a time, what's your WP:COI claim? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 13:58, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

See above. Serten 14:43, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Is that in response to me? If so: I cannot find anything that supports a COI claim either in your comments nor anywhere on this talk page. Please be clear. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 18:03, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

To be clear, User:Prokaryotes' role with an outlet like climatestate is not adding credibility. He deleted two reviews in scientific journals, one of them in Nature, with a rather offensive comment. His talk page contains a statement asking to stop the AfD for Grundmann, here he asks to wait for the end. That sounds either incoherent or just weird, it could be explained by a sort of mission or agenda. Therefore COI. Wether the Grundmann AfD goes through is of NO interest at all for this article. Serten 18:19, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

So your major evidence for COI is a difference of opinion on content? Sorry, that does not fly. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 18:55, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Goodness, hes working for a propaganda outlet and behaves like. Next point. Serten 19:05, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

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