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France

It was kind of you to notice vandalism. However, you can revert vandalism yourself by just hitting the article history, editing the last correct revision, and saving the page. David.Monniaux 18:44, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Cincinnati Slaughterhouse

Why did you create this article, purporting to be about an historical event taking place 40 years in the future? Is it from a work of fiction? If so, you need to state this clearly, along with which work of fiction it comes from. If not then you should be aware that this is little more than vandalism. — Trilobite (Talk) 17:30, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hey

Hi, I'm MNewnham and I troll the new pages looking for articles that contravene the wikipedia page creation guidelines, and obviously yours does. What you are looking for is http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial which is directly accessible from the help button on the sidebar.

Could you please blank the page you created and insert an {{empty}} tag into it, to ensure its speedy deletion. - MNewnham

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signature

Hi, could you please sign your name by typing ~~~~ as is the usual practice at wikipedia rather than linking to the nonexistant History21 article (I made a mistake and put a welcome message there!) -- Astrokey44|talk 00:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

The message you left on User:Terenceong1992's user page

Please leave messages on User talk pages instead, as your recipient will not be notified of it otherwise. I've helped you move it to his User talk page. ;) — Kimchi.sg | Talk 17:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the heads-up about the First Family issues. That AfD is getting a little crazy; but thankfully most people seem to be assuming good faith. In future, though, if you could post on Talk pages, that would be ideal. Thanks a lot, and see you around. Batmanand | Talk 15:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

First Family redirect

Did you find out who redirected it? I think it's a worthwhile project, it just needs to be trimmed a little. A good starting source for info on this is . I have an even better source, but it's a 12 volume book -- yes, actual book. Also, the White House has a section on this as well (but beware the Grover Cleveland entry -- it's had the same error for 5 years, and after contacting them three times, I've given the hell up.) If you need help, feel free to let me know. Jim62sch 11:27, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Steny Hoyer

See the talk page...there's a difference between being the President of the Senate and a "member of Congress". If you chose to un-revert it, I don't have the energy to continue. -- J1729 01:55, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

The South

If you think the South is disgusting, Misplaced Pages is not the place to espouse your agenda. We deal in facts, not opinions here. WillC 01:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The editing archives say otherwise about your beliefs. Furthermore, talk pages should be relevant to the respective page. If you want to spout off, do it on your about page. WillC 02:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk Page

Your vandalism of my talk page has been reported. WillC 00:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Maryland

Hi. First off, some techincal advice. You should sign your comments by using four tildes like this "~~~~" (without the quotes). It will automatically convert into a link to your user page and a timestamp when you save the page. Secondly, if you put single square brackets around a URL it will display as a note like this: .

Secondly, I just want to make sure that you don't take my edits to the cultural identity section of the Maryland article as an endorsement of your version. While I agree that it is important to have a discussion of how Maryland fits into various regions culturally, Misplaced Pages is not a place for making an argument. Instead of presenting the argument that Maryland is not part of the South yourself, find someone else who subscribes to that point of view and describe his/her views. That's the heart of the Neutral Point of View policy. Instead of taking one side or another in an argument, Misplaced Pages articles are meant to Neutrally describe the various sides of a dispute. Try to keep that in mind when you're editing. NoIdeaNick 03:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi there, I sure did notice. If you'd like to go ahead and report him do it, because I'm not familiar enough with Misplaced Pages to go ahead with that. The biggest problem I have with him is the logical fallacies he uses in justifying himself, as in, I said the Northeast is densely populated and the South is mostly not. Therefore Maryland's high population density and urban-ness brings it closer to the North. However, he removed my paragraph on population density and urban-ness because apparently he read what I said as saying that all densely populated places are Northern and therefore using my logic he concluded that Mexico City could be considered Northern and that the paragraph was invalid. He also suggested that because I said the South is poorer than the North, I am elitist and have disdain for the region, which is simply not true and which I found personally insulting; he drew an illogical conclusion there as well. So by all means, since he is preventing the section of the article from getting any better, if you'd like to try and have his editing abilities restricted do so. But at the same time, the original section was very pov and though I'm not very familiar with Misplaced Pages policy, at least three of the paragraphs required extensive reworking, I believe, so it's probably for the best that they're not in the article for the time being. Drewbwhite

No truer words have been typed: YOU ADMIT YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WIKIPEDIA POLICY. If you were, you'd know what I was doing was making you use logic and documentation to prove your point. You have done neither. WillC 03:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Meddling?

I stopped reading after that. What, do you think your Northern-ness is somehow superior to Southern-ness? You and others have disregarded repeated admin warnings to keep your edits NPOV and balanced. You need to study and then follow Misplaced Pages policy. I don't care if you have sources for your edits if the info has no business being in the article in the first place. WillC 10:27, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

A bloo a bloo a bloo bloo bloo. Lemme know when the south rises (again) --Nugneant 22:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Editwars

Hiya. Got your message on my talk. I feel for you - I'm currently dealing with a couple of sad Metro fanatics who cannot tolerate any infringement of their Metro fluff. --Nugneant 22:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey if you have a problem with me why dont you step up and just say it to me directly, or is that to much for you to do, like not adding pov to articles. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 02:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

If you could communicate in English, I would. Sadly, I'm not fluent enough in Retardese to effectively get my point across. I base this assumption on 1) Your inability to master effective use of the apostrophe, 2) Your inability to distinguish "to" from "too", and 3) Your flagrant ignorance of comma usage. Having said this, I can try what little Retardese I know: A bloo. A bloo a bloo bloo. A bloo bloo bloo bloo. --Nugneant 11:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

The Blue and the Grey 2: Electric Bugaloo

Hi there-

Flattered as I am at being called into assist in this epic struggle, I think I will pass. For one thing, this is the sort of petty, POV edit warring that makes Misplaced Pages not fun for me, and which I avoid whenver possible. Perhaps more importantly, though, from looking at the edit history, I think the current text on the page -- which, as near as I can tell from the history, is not your preferred version -- is much more accurate than the text you've been trying to get there. Maryland is a very transitional state. There are urban and suburban areas that feel very northern, and there are rural areas that feel very southern. Maryland was a slave state, and a state that had a very strong strand of Confederate sympathy during the civil war (see the Baltimore riot of 1861, among other things). Perhaps most importantly, up until the 1960s Maryland had Jim Crow laws that were typical of southern states but absent or much milder in the north. (Have you ever seen John Waters' Hairspray? It's about the end of segregation in Maryland, among other things.)

Some of the things that you seem to want to put on the page -- that MD is northern because of it's great schools, for instance, or northern because it's so Democratic -- are just non sequiturs. Lots of places in the south have good schools, and if you think the whole state of Maryland has good schools, you clearly don't live in Baltimore City where I live. The south as a whole was solidly Democratic as recently as 30 years ago, and many places, particulary urban areas, still are; and the powerful Maryland Demcratic machine dates from the era when the "Solid South" was Democratic.

Please don't think I'm saying this as some sort of redneck Confederate apologist. I'm about as far left politically as you can get. But I've lived in the north, and in the west, and in Maryland, and Maryland is not the north -- not all of it, anyway. It's not the south, either. Not everything is so cut and dried. --Jfruh 22:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

While I respect the fact that you've obviously given this some thought, a few counterpoints: 1) Every single state in the union, with the possible exception of Rhode Island (mostly because it's so damn tiny), is a "transitional" state with the features you mentioned. Examples: California includes ghettos, really rich gated comunities, hick towns (such as Watsonville, or virtually any city more than 100 miles from the coast), and the Bay Area. New York? Same deal, if you've ever been to upstate New York you'll see. And of course, the reverse is true too - a lot of Texas is really nice, progressive even. I've heard some less-than-terrible things about Birmingham, Alabama. Even Okla-dumbass-homa has some okay parts of Tulsa. So I honestly believe that you're about 180 degrees on this one - your statement, while eloquent, was somewhat meaningless, whereas History makes some valid points (the most valid of which is that if you (speaking in the generic, non-threatening second person) call me a "southerner", I will tie you to the back of a pickup truck and drag you to your death while throwing beer cans out the window to hit you in your skull. --Nugneant 01:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

And there are plenty of people in Maryland who would do the same if you called them "Northerners." Why does your attitdue (speaking in the specific 2nd person here) get to decide? My objection is that you seem to equate "southern" with "things you don't like". The fact that Texas and Alabama and Oklahoma have areas that are urban and progressive doesn't make them any less "southern." Being "southern" in the United States means "being from the south." It doesn't mean politically conservative, rural, having shitty schools, etc., as you so eloquently point in your description of other parts of the country (like upstate NY, where I grew up). --Jfruh 02:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:Okay...

My issue with that is that if you have aproblem with some way i do things, then say it to me directly, if you have to say it to some one else to make some kida of point, in which you did, then how am i supposed to have any respect for you. I'll admit, spelling is not one of my fine points, never has been, pardon me for having an slight dixeselia, neither is typing, i dont have the best of corridination or dexierty in my hands so typing is not an easy nor allways enjoyable thing for me, and those are just 2 of some of my several of issues. Regardless, i take an informal tone in discussion, in which my major focous is just to get my idea or popint across, am not particaulary intrested in how it looks, thats a differnt sittuation witrh regards to articles and i welcome other useres to come behind me and fix my mistakes, as their are thous out their that are metter at wrtiting then my self.

As for call you a vandal, i dont recall doing so, but if i did then it was a mistake, As vandalism goes per say i have my own views. Though your actions are not much to be talked about either, in that you baiscaly took your own pov that you stated on the discussion page in the form of a rant and then sourced it afterwards, still levring it very pov ish. Issue of the content aside, which i dont belive that you mad a convincing argument on, you actions are and have been no better then the other use involved, and i have let him know that i am less then impressed with his actions as well. I also am not thrilled with you msg of other users, apprently at random, and the msg that you left them, which to be honest was nothing less then misleading. I am glad to seother authors who are knowledgable on the subject are comeing to make edits to the article as well as engage in discussion, but i will warn you that the addation and re-addation of pov can be consider vandalism, regardless if it sourced or not. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 04:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Maryland

It appears that your comments on Talk:Maryland have crossed the line from advocating for a particular version of a page into the realm of personal attacks. I would suggest that you refrain from asking User:WillC to catch opposums for you and from calling him "a silly redneck." Aside from the fact that it violates Misplaced Pages policy and is generally not a nice thing to do, it doesn't help your case.

As far as you want there to be a cited, NPOV discussion of the regional classification of Maryland and its culture, I agree with you. However, as any discussion of Maryland's cultural identity and regional classification must note that there are many in Maryland who consider themselves far from southern, it must also include the fact that there is also a history of connection with the South and that the rural culture of Maryland can be very different from the culture in the Baltimore-Washington corridor.

Please don't try to make the Misplaced Pages article into an argument in favor of classifying Maryland as a solely Northern state. While I understand that you feel strongly about your cultural identity and that of the state of Maryland, there are arguments to be noted on both sides of the classification issue. The NPOV policy dictates that we should include both without favoring either. Please join me in trying to fashion a version of the page under this model. Thank you. NoIdeaNick 21:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

When I am not at school, I live in Maryland and have lived there my entire life. While I would never consider where I grew up Southern, Maryland is a diverse state, and the Eastern Shore, Southern Maryland can be very different from suburban DC and Baltimore. Maryland was a slave state at the time of the Civil War and probably would have joined the Confederacy if it were not for the fact that Washington, DC would then have been completely surrounded by Confederate states. It is not ridiculous to suggest that Maryland has some Southern history and culture. The census bureau does classify is as Maryland as one of the South Atlantic States. While I understand your strongly held opinion, Misplaced Pages is not a place to promote your view. There are clearly reasons that Maryland is sometimes considered Southern, and those reasons ought to be noted, in the same way that the reasons Maryland is often considered non-Southern should also be noted. This is the heart of the NPOV policy. NoIdeaNick 18:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Westminster

I never went to WHS. I go to a high school in Houston, Texas. WhisperToMe 00:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The only edits I made to the page involving moving some content and identifying the school district. I edit many articles around Misplaced Pages to improve them. WhisperToMe 00:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Potomac River for the US Collaboration of the Week

Hey there, I noticed your recent work on the Potomac River article and was hoping you'd consider voting for it as a candidate for US Collaboration of the Week. Thanks! --Caponer 21:01, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok I'll help

Contact me via the Misplaced Pages email service. I don't want our conversations read by certain people. TruthCrusader 20:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. I spotted this disucssion on the AfD page, and thought I'd offer a suggestion (and doubting that I'm one of "certain people" who the above fellow wants to avoid =) ). I personally don't see notability in the article on the "leader" of the dynasty, since that seems to be interpretive and less encyclopedic than others. As for the individual articles on the family members, I would strongly suggest removing the infoboxes, and ensuring that verifiable sources are included in the articles for each of your references. Pasting the list of refs onto the AfD discussion is probably not the best thing to do - putting them into the articles that are up for debate and mentioning on the AfD discussion page that you've made those changes is a far better way to go. Sourcing and verifying the statements made in the articles will go further towards proving the individual members' notability in the grand scheme of things. Good luck. Tony Fox (speak) 20:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Your arguments in Eyre AfD

Hi. Regarding some of your comments in AfD for George Eyre et al and AfD for Heller Dynasty‎, I'd like to leave you some feedback that belongs more properly here than in the AfD itself.

Firstly, as I commented in one of those, you should really be putting all the references citations into the articles, not the AfD discussions. By putting them into the article, you strengthen the case for the articles being kept; in the AfD it becomes very messy and harder to follow the flow of AfD discussion. The way things are, you seem to have put more work and content into the AfD discussion than into the articles themselves, which is a bit silly.

Secondly, you need to ensure that the references you use are reliable ones as MCB mentioned. The AOL pages and so on simply aren't good enough.

Thirdly, you do not do your case for keeping the articles any favours by playing the patriotism card. The paragraphs "As an American patriot..." etc. are not only logically weak but, to be frank, offensive - they rely on emotional arguments (patriotism) that are not shared by all WP editors, and actually conflict with WP policies and practices such as maintaining a neutral (not biased) point of view, using reliable sources, and counter systemic bias arising from the demographic makeup of the WP editorial group e.g. Americans, technophiles and the young being over-represented, Asians, technophobes and the old being under-represented.

You are of course free to believe (and state your belief) that America is the greatest country in the world, but you cannot expect everyone else (even all Americans) to share that belief. Using it as a basis for argument discourages me from agreeing with you, and I'd expect it would have a similar effect on many other editors, particularly those of us who are not American. Some of your statements in those paragraphs are not just hyperbolic but wrong. For example, you said

America ... has granted the people of Earth the very conception of liberty.

which is simply ridiculous. The concept of liberty existed long before Colombus, let alone anything definably American.

It is quite valid for WP to cover people and topics from American history; the primary question is whether they are truly notable topics or notable people, not whether they are simply American.

In summary, if you want the articles in question to be kept rather than deleted, then your best course of action is, in order of priority:

Ensure that you are only using reliable sources as the basis for your work.
Insert references and citations into the articles themselves.
Argue your case in AfD discussions succinctly (1-5 lines, not multitudes of paragraphs) and logically from WP policies and practices, not emotionally from a point of view that is not shared by all.

I hope this helps. Regards, Paddles _C 09:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Jehu Eyre

I have put the {{hoax}} tag on the Jehu Eyre article. Please see the article's Talk page. I have only done a couple of minutes' research on the net and have found many insonsistencies. If I began writing letters to such places as Laurel Hill Cemetery, would they be able to tell me whether or not Jehu Eyre, who was born over a hundred years before the cemetery was built, is buried there? Would somebody in Philadelphia be able to tell me how Jehu Eyre was a child at the Eyre Mansion when it wasn't built until the beginning of the 19th century? User:Zoe| 22:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging for Image:Taft1908.jpeg

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