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Killing of Cecil the lion

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I'm normally an inclusionist, but this seems more like a news issue than an encyclopedic topic, since Cecil didn't have his own article prior to his killing and all of the hits at Duckduckgo for "Cecil the Lion" appear to be either about his killing or unrelated to him. PCHS-NJROTC 13:06, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

• If this article is kept, it should be titled Cecil the lion, and info on the killing should be added to the article. I'm not sure of the notability of the subject, however media reports suggest that he was famed and recognised widely, which may warrant an article. Not being aware of the lion myself or its standing with regards to other lions, I wouldn't want to suggest either way whether he is worthy of an article.Rayman60 (talk) 13:12, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
• Comment - I agree with Rayman60. I'm undecided on whether an article about the lion's killing warrants a separate Misplaced Pages article, but it seems to me that the lion himself may be notable enough for one. Beyond the killing, which has obviously attracted worldwide attention, my understanding is he was star a attraction at Hwange National Park, and was being studied/tracked by Oxford University. This Guardian article, for example, described him as "one of Africa’s most famous lions," referring to his fame before the killing. Perhaps the author of this article, StAnselm (talk · contribs), can take a shot at recasting it as an entry about Cecil himself? — Hunter Kahn 13:14, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, I'm struggling to find any reliable sources before this month. He wasn't mentioned on the Hwange National Park page. StAnselm (talk) 13:27, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

• Keep – this is a major news story, in which all news articles seem to suggest that Cecil was well known locally, which combined with the global attention surely makes the lion more than notable. Frankie Roberto (talk) 13:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
• Comment: As article creator, I am very close to voting "delete" on this one. The main reason I created the article was that it much better than having an article at Walter Palmer (hunter). I'd be happy with a move to Cecil the lion. StAnselm (talk) 13:17, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
• Keep and rename Cecil (Lion) We should ping some editors from Zimbabwe or Wikiproject Zimbabwe to give their input. As far as animal articles go, Cecil is definitely notable in that domain of Misplaced Pages. --Tobias1984 (talk) 13:21, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
• delete WP:NOTNEWS, no coverage of the animal outside his death. no evidence his death has any lasting impact. The article is also rife with WP:BLP issues. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:26, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
• Keep and rename Cecil (Lion) The animal was noteworthy. --Swift (talk) 13:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

I have failed to find any coverage of the "famous" lion before the news events of his death. Did I miss some? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

• Keep, the world-wide coverage in high-quality sources is easily more than enough for meeting our notability standards. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:08, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
• Weak keep I'm not sure if the Oxford study establishes notability, but it seems to be that Cecil was locally famous before his death. Maybe someone with some Google-fu can sort through the flood of recent news stories to find some older references? Do we have WP:Notability (animals)? shoy (reactions) 15:13, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
• Keep Seems like a fairly cut and dried Misplaced Pages:N/CA to me. Raindog469 (talk) 15:24, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

seems pretty WP:ROUTINE media news cycle coverage with no indication of any lasting impact/import. (while there is a potential for impact, none has yet occurred and many events which might have had lasting impact, instead are merely dust flecks in history. in 6 months or a year if his death is widely noted as having sparked a widespread increase in protection for lions, then we can reconsider. if, as is more likely, in six months people have forgotten this outrage and are twitting about the next outrage....) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:49, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. There is nothing in the sources to indicate this warrants an encyclopedia article. Muscat Hoe (talk) 15:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

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