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Tallest structures in Paris

Hi, I'm having problems with that List of tallest structures in Paris again. This article was incorrectly named, as 70% of all it contains is not in the city of Paris, so I moved it to List of tallest structures in the Paris region. It's been moved back twice by two contributors who are of course unable and seemingly unwilling to provide any valid reference or argument to maintain their case. Basically what this amounts to is a couple of what seems to be suburban kids (amazingly similar in opinion and editing habits and article contributions) using Wiki to make it look like they live in the Big City - that Paris isn't. I've provided on the article talk page sources proving inaccuracy and links to Wiki naming conventions outlining what should be the correct name, but in spite of this all propositions go unanswered and any attempt at correction is reverted. This is a situation beyond pigheaded, and I'm even being dogged by one of the above contributors - you will no doubt get an answer to this below. I hope I'm wrong.

If you see the reason in the above and in the article talk page, would it be possible to move the article from its present space to List of tallest structures in the Paris region once again?

Sorry again for all the trouble. THEPROMENADER 13:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

PS: for a clear picture of what I'm talking about, you can have a look at this map. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 13:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

See the Talk page. Just zis Guy you know? 13:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the input - left you an answer. THEPROMENADER 13:43, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Silly me - I should have gone about it the official way from the start. I've just filed a WP:RM. Thanks and cheers. THEPROMENADER 15:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you've been following, but since your intervention the teapot turned tempest. The London vs. Greater London example you cited earlier was dot-on for London, as both are both commonly and even officially called "London", but the only region comparable to Greater London in the Paris area is called the Île-de-France, not Paris. The "Paris metropolitan area" term (a term never used here, btw) describes an area even bigger. The simple fact of this is verifiable most everywhere. (looking up and down) You seem to have more than your share of things to worry about though - just consider this an update. Hopefully things won't get out of hand again. THEPROMENADER 16:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

YTMND

Why do you hate YTMND so much? I must know the reason for such an "irrational" opinion! ;D TacoNazi 02:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I am indifferent to YTMND, but most of the YTMNDs linked contain copyright violations either in the images or the soundtracks. YTMNDers are also engaged in viral marketing and I see no reason to help them along. Just zis Guy you know? 09:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Swearing in the edit notes seems a bit over the top for someone who considers YTMND to be immature... 83.105.37.55 13:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

In calling them wankers I was characterising the YTMNDers' action in adding their fads to mainspace article as being essentially masturbation - i.e. providing pleasure only to the perpetrator and generally substantially less enjoyable (if not outright nauseating) for any onlookers. It was a simple factual statement. Just zis Guy you know? 14:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Although I agree that YTMND fads do not belong in mainspace articles, and I also agree that vandalism should be dealt with swiftly, there are many edits that do not look like vandalism. While I agree that they should be reverted, and while I will revert them if I come across them, I should ask you to join me and assume good faith on edits that do not look like obvious attempts at vandalism. On several of the WikiProjects I'm involved with, I merge a lot of this cruft, but me and the other editors always assume good faith in the people who wrote the content we merged (we leave them friendly messages, not hateful ones). Just because something is out of hand doesn't mean we should ignore the foundations of our community. Sir Crazyswordsman 13:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

On edits that do not looks like vandalism, I do indeed try to assume good faith. Adding NEDM to the list of breed standards, linked to the YTMND fad, was vandalism, as were many of the other edits. You can only adda fad so many times to an article before it becomes obvious that the article is the playground du jour. Perhaps if it did not happen quite so often it would be easier to be sanguine about it... Just zis Guy you know? 13:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I understand, and I will try to help you as much as possible. And I agree completely with your thoughts on NEDM, and if I cared about NEDM (I personally don't like it), I'd have definitely been there to help revert it. Still, if an editor is making his or her first edit with regards to a fad, it's still a good idea to help them understand positively so as to not shoo them away. I've done so several times and have been thanked by these people, many of whom contribute in a positive way to articles now. That should be our ultimate goal here. Sir Crazyswordsman 16:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Personally I see no difference between what they have done and your response, but will agree with your definition. Maybe someone with less of a compulsion towards self gratification should deal with them in future. 83.105.37.55 14:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Get back under your bridge or I'll call the big billy-goat gruff to kick the shit out of you again. Just zis Guy you know? 14:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

No need to involve your wife, I'm merely pointing out that swearing is immature and attention seeking. 83.105.37.55 14:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I am amazed that you think my wife, who is 5'4" tall, could kick the shit out of you. Clearly your body is as puny as your intellect. Just zis Guy you know? 14:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

To me,it seems that you provoke YTMND for continuing vandalism,look at the link in the British Shorthair talk page. I wish you think of something that they can agree on,so this nonsense will stop. TTFN. --72.50.20.55 16:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Experience indicates that removing the link is all the provocation YTMNDers need. Just zis Guy you know? 13:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Delisted DRV

To be honest, that DRV was in need of a bit of rougeness. I did warn the user concerned that I thought listing it was a bad idea, and it seems that I was right. With any luck the matter ends here. (Some good did come out of it, as it gave me a chance to notice that the DRV daily subpage hadn't been transcluded). --ais523 11:37, 21 July 2006 (U T C)

ready for archive.Just zis Guy you know? 11:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

This will make the list of backmasked messages a lot easier to clean up. Λυδ α cιτγ 23:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

ready for archive Just zis Guy you know? 11:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Kittie May Ellis

Why did you state here that this article is unverifiable? In my previous versions I've posted at least 15 secondary, published sources. Are you just reading what other editors have claimed (without any basis I might add). The newspaper the Snohomish Tribune is a verifiable source just for one. Wjhonson 18:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Request for move, Headlight → Headlamp

Attempted to rename Headlight to Headlamp, unable to do so because Headlamp contains a redirect with an edit history. Rationale: While it is common for the two terms to be used interchangeably in colloquial speech, headlampis the technically correct term for the device itself. All regulations and technical specifications worldwide refer to headlamps, and not to "headlights". All manufacturers of such devices consider themselves makers of headlamps, not "headlights". All human-factors and traffic-safety researchers worldwide refer in their works to headlamps, not to "headlights". "Headlight" properly refers to the light itself, produced and distributed by the headlamp(s). This is certainly a distinction that would not be honored in everyday conversation or informal writing, but we're writing an encyclopedia here, so precision counts. Talking about "sealed beam lights" or "round lights" or "rectangular lights" or "replaceable-bulb lights" might be acceptable in a stylistic analysis in which the devices are significantly only by dint of their existence; such usage, though, is technically improper in a discussion of lighting devices. This article's improper title has been a low-level irritant for quite some time; 193.202.109.254's attempt to standardize on one term, even though s/he picked the wrong one, is the impetus for requesting a pagemove to correct that impropriety. Your assistance would be appreciated. TIA, Scheinwerfermann 16:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Still thinking about this one. More Talk needeed I think. Just zis Guy you know? 11:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

FYI

CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 06:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration Request Filed

I have asked for abrbitration involving User:Nscheffey. See here. Please post any comments you desire to add. Ste4k 08:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The YTMND user template

I have restored it per the German Userbox solution, and put in the redirection to where the template code is now, safe on userspace. Crazyswordsman 03:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

SirIsaacBrock

I noticed that you were the one to enact the block on SirIsaacBrock (talk · contribs), it appears that a user JukeBox (talk · contribs) has shown up who seems to be interested in Hitler and Dog fighting, SirIsaacBrock's favorite topics. Four edits probably aren't enough for insta-blocking as sockpuppet, and checkuser could take weeks - so maybe you might like to keep an eye out. - Trysha 07:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Reviewed. Just zis Guy you know? 11:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Guy Chapman (film)

... any relation? (may be red-linked by the time you read this; you'll have to peek behind the curtain.) JDoorj a m Talk 02:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

No. I think this is the same man as does the video games, though. There is also a New Zealand lawyer and a famous historian by the same name. Common as muck... Just zis Guy you know? 10:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

ACIM

Would you please look at the discussion page on ACIM under Introduction. It seems that whatever is written for this article, Ste4k is going to obstruct. Thanks--Who123 02:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Moot, user blocked. Just zis Guy you know? 09:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

OR Complaints

I am having trouble understanding your standings on WP:OR in regards to the article YTMND. Following that argument that all YTMND's are OR, does this mean that all information on YTMND would have to come from outside sources? How would the YTMND Wiki be a viable and acceptable, non-OR source, if it gains an overwhelming majority of info from YTMND's? Would the "YTMND News" be considered OR, since the only source is Max Goldberg?

I will be attempting to remove OR from the YTMND article, but i fear it may be labled as vandalism since it would remove a large part of the article. What steps would you advise me take as a precaution? 24.167.68.211 19:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

That cat

Stop adding the stupid cat thing to articles. It's complete bollocks and please do believe that the number of people outside YTMND who care about YTMND fads is between none at all and even less than that. Just zis Guy you know? 19:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, who would've thought an image from a long running YTMND fad would belong on the YTMND article in the fad and meme section? --NEMT 19:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

See WP:OR and keep it out of the article. Thanks 24.167.68.211 19:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight, anonymous RoadRunner user. --NEMT 20:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Strange thosugh this may seem - and I know it will come as an enormous shock to some people - YTMND fads not only fall below the level generally considered globally significant, but are actually negligible as far as pretty much everybody outside YTMND is concerned. As you know, NEMT, you added that cat bullshit to more than just the YTMND article. I deleted Happy Cat as a repost. Just zis Guy you know? 20:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Examples? The only place I put the image was on the YTMND article in the specific fad section. I don't want to call you a liar and a policy violator, or even an incompetent admin, but hey. --NEMT 20:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

"The lifespan of this breed is 10 to 15 years unless exposed to doom music" in British Shorthair? It's not an image, but it's definitely "that cat bullshit," and fucking around with Misplaced Pages. · rodii · 20:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

You're right rodii, it's not an image. --NEMT 21:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

... · rodii · 21:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Apparently in NEMTworld "thing" and "image" are synonymous. A limited vocabulary indeed. Just zis Guy you know? 08:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:NPA, do I have to put you up on request for intervention? --NEMT 01:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome to try. Or you could recognise that what you were doing was vandalism and simply drop it. Just zis Guy you know? 08:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

My neck

Aim higher, please -- you will hit nothing of value. Seriously, I read you loud and clear.--Mantanmoreland 23:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Brett Kavanaugh

Hi, a while ago you undid some vandalism on my talk page and banned the person who did it. Could you explain to the editor at Brett Kavanaugh that putting conspiracy theories on a federal judge's article is not acceptable. I have explained his sources are questionable-- that is one of his books claims that Clinton was behind the Oaklahoma City bombing. Thanks. C56C 05:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Dear JzG:

Thank you for adding your comments to the discussion page of the Brett Kavanaugh article. A neutral viewpoint can be helpful to improve the article and make it as accurate as possible.

Apparently without reading the book, "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton," by British journalist Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, published by Regnery 1997, C56C has made the charge that the book, "claims that Clinton was behind the Oaklahoma (sic) City bombing." Perhaps C56C found this statement in a citizen's online book review at Amazon.com since the charge appears there. Reading online book reviews is not equal to the task of reading the book.

C56C used this false claim to unfairly smear the entire book and further allege other "sources are questionable." C56C should be asked to provide a direct quote with the page number from Evans-Pritchard's book to support the outrageous charge. The book either "claims that Clinton was behind the Oklahoma City bombing," or it does not. If the book does not make the claim then it is C56C who is actually the questionable source.

On page five the author did raise this question, "But what if the Clinton administration has not told the full truth about the Oklahoma bombing, as many of the families now suspect?" The blame for not telling the full truth is directed primarily at the Justice Department. Whatever faults are in Evans-Pritchard's book, claiming President Clinton was behind the tragic bombing is not one of them.

To be fair, the title of the book, "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton," may confuse readers to believe that somehow Bill Clinton was to blame. I personally know that privately the author Ambrose Evans-Pritchard objected to the title, but the publisher Regnery insisted on the title. The poorly chosen title may have unfairly cast a shadow over the former President, but the author never even remotely claimed, "that Clinton was behind the Oklahoma City bombing."

Reading the source documents used as references to the Brett Kavanaugh article should be done before discussion or characterizing the sources as "questionable." Loaded words like "conspiracy theory" are not a substitute for good scholarship. Thank you, Thomist 16:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I love conspiracy theories - as a fan of irony and satire they strike me as some of the funniest material out there. When I was an H2G2 researcher I wrote the article on conspiracy theories: The one repeatable feature of all these is that they apply a SEP field to any obvious, prosaic explanation. What's more likely: a deranged libertarian extremist bombing a Federal building, or the President of the United States arrranging it for, er, some real good reason, honest? Anyway, I have no real opinion here other than that we should take a small-c conservative approach in the case of any living individual. If these theories are really so very plausible then there will be numerous excellent high-quality sources we can cite. If there aren't, well, we know what inference we can draw. Pace Jimbo, I think we are too ready to assume good faith on the part of people who, frankly, fail to demonstrate it. Not saying that's the case here, I'm just getting a bit weary of POV-pushers and soapbox merchants. Just zis Guy you know? 19:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The Amazon.com editorial for "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton," states the book "connects the president to everything from 1997's Oklahoma City bombing to Arkansas's drug underworld to the mysterious death of White House aide and longtime Clinton friend Vince Foster, and, of course, to Paula Jones." As for Christopher Ruddy's book Thomist cited, "The Park Police, the F.B.I., Special Counsel Robert Fiske and Foster's family all concluded that he had killed himself where he was found. But for four years a floating crap game, including Clinton bashers, radio hosts, Net crawlers, kooks, Jerry Falwell and a few journalists, has questioned the verdict, suggesting or insisting that he died elsewhere or by some other hand." Referring to Ruddy's evidence "some of Ruddy's unanswered questions are undoubtedly the normal static of police work." That's of course, if you read Amazon.com and NY Times editorial. Maybe Thomist believes they too are part of the conspiracy? C56C 20:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

But have you read the book? Anyway, the solution is to debate on Talk first and steer clear of novel syntheses. Just zis Guy you know? 21:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I haven't read that book. I haven't read any book or video by Kent Hovind either. Yet, since both defy commonly held beliefs and are part of a fringe population I can depend on experts in the field. Experts have concluded there was no Vincent Foster cover up and Hovind is wrong on his beliefs as well.

Hovind's work and the criticisms of it are widely available on the net and in print. Criticisms of Hovind do not rely on novel syntheses or interpretaitons of reviews - we can attribute criticisms directly to named authorities in many cases. And the Hovind article is not one of the better examples to look at anyway since opposition to him is on the basis of science not political affiliation. Just zis Guy you know? 09:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Hovind is an excellent example because we are talking about evidence in both cases. The conspiracy Thomist wants to add is contrary to evidence presented by official investigators-- I mean three separate, independent investigations (including one that cost 80 million US dollars). Politicial affliations are irrelevant as long as the facts can be backed up with reliable sources. C56C 11:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

If people want to dispute the Amazon.com and NY Times reviews then should take it up with those sources. C56C 23:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me. C56C has been misleading JzG. C56C concealed from JzG that book reviews were used in place of reading actual books or documents and by calling me the name "conspiracy theorist" convinced JzG to issue me a "warning."

I appear to be the only person here who actually read the Official Investigative Report and the two books used as sources. JzG wrote, "If these theories are really so very plausible then there will be numerous excellent high-quality sources we can cite." By "these theories" I assume we are talking about grand jury witness intimidation which is the issue C56C seems unwilling to allow into the article. One "excellent high-quality source" that I have cited is the second highest court in the United States, the Special Division of the U.S. Court of Appeals that released the Official Report. Within the Official Report, the grand jury witness intimidation is discussed on several pages. This court IS the most "excellent high-quality source" to issue an opinion on "these theories."

C56C wrote, "The conspiracy Thomist wants to add (sic) is contrary to evidence presented by official investigators." First, can we agree not to call each other names? Is it necessary to give me the label, "conspiracy Thomist?" Second, the statement is absolutely false that I want to add something contrary to the evidence presented in the Official Report. How would C56C even know this having relied on book reviews (second hand opinions) rather than reading the actual books or Official Report? Name-calling is the result of poor scholarship.

The references, regarding grand jury witness intimidation, cited in books ARE consistent with the discussion of grand jury witness intimidation found in the Official Report. C56C has now made TWO FALSE statements: 1) That Evans-Pritchard's book "claims that Clinton was behind the Oaklahoma (sic) City bombing." 2) "The conspiracy Thomist wants to add (sic) is contrary to evidence presented by official investigators."

Should Misplaced Pages use these false statements by C56C to determine reliable sources?

Only by reading the Official Report will it be clear that I have not offered any novel syntheses. I have only presented the facts as they officially are. Absent reading the official document it would be prudent to withhold judgement on novel sytheses. I have been unfairly judged enough by the uninformed. Thomist 02:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Dear JzG:

On July 28 you inserted a heading "Recent edits" at the Brett Kavanaugh discussion page. You wrote: "I have removed this form the article and asked Thomist to achieve consensus here befopre reinserting this content."

I respected your advice and have been working toward that goal, with patience. User C56C who first contacted you at the top of this discussion on your page is participating in the discussion, yet C56C continues to edit the article. It seems unfair that I must wait to reach a concensus before making changes to the article while C56C continues to make changes independent of others.

You seem to be fair-minded. Could you put things back as they were on July 31, and encourage C56C to wait until we reach a solution before editing the article. Thank you. Thomist 01:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Axis of medieval

Please re-visit the discussion. Uncle G 09:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Don, thanks. Just zis Guy you know? 10:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Your comments regarding my filing for arbitration

In your comments on my filing for arbitration which you made earlier here. You mentioned "personalise everything, for reasons I am at a loss to understand". You might find those reasons stated on my talk page in comments here, in a discussion with Will Beback concerning another matter entirely. Please feel free to contact me in that regard on my talk page. Thanks. Ste4k 20:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

No, I really don't understand what motivates you to take things personally even when people say they are not personal. Honestly. Just zis Guy you know? 20:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Best Products

Why the revert? http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Best_Products&diff=66406276&oldid=66404240 My input was based on knowledge of SITE's work, which I have researched thoroughly.

It can go in the SITE article. Sorry, I should have got round to posting at your Talk but I got sidetracked. Just zis Guy you know? 21:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I see what you're saying. However I do feel that the caption of the showroom/store photo should be changed, as typical Best Products showrooms were simple big-box buildings, not the high-concept works that SITE created. That particular photo is of a 1979 piece that incorporated water walls and a greenhouse of sorts within the facade. Definitely atypical.

Fair comment. You could make that point (succinctly) in the image caption, perhaps? Just zis Guy you know? 21:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Removal of warning on Geogre's page

I appreciate your frustration stated at AN/I towards those of us who would like to include school articles in the project. I also respect Geogre's (and others') right to disagree with those of us who feel that school articles are worthwhile. Nonetheless, it doesn't change the fact that in the course of a discussion/argument, it is a personal attack to say "I'm not interested in playing games with the feeble" as it obviously refers to some participants in the said discussion. Even with the contradictory defense that he didn't intend it towards anyone specifically, expect that it was intended towards someone else further down the page, it is at the very, very least uncivil. You know as well as I do that people have been reprimanded for similar personal attacks. It doesn't matter that he is a admin or that you are an admin - this sort of condescending personal attack on other editors isn't acceptable (as I've learned from my own past experience). To then remove the warning from his page as "trolling" is offensive in the extreme, and arguably a violation of WP:VAND. I have a legitimate issue with him name-calling other editors as "feeble" in the course of an AfD discussion. This has nothing whatever to do with the fact that he holds a different position, I have pointed out that other "inclusionists" have behaved in an uncivil manner on recent AfDs. I also feel it inappropriate to use the patina of adminship to somehow justify his personally attacking other editors by calling them "feeble". I implore you to consider objectively whether or not, in the course of an AfD discussion, referring to other editors as "feeble" is appropriate, especially from an editor with such a long-standing history as Geogre.--Nicodemus75 23:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The two of you are never going to agree and there's no sense stoking the argument. Neither of you is going to benefit by fighting, both of you are long-term good faith contributors. Walk away, it is just not worth the trouble. Just zis Guy you know? 09:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Hillman/Dig

Hi, you might be interested in this MfD which is a consequence of threats by User:Tim Smith and User:DrL to have me blocked, subsequent to the recent deletion review on CTMU in which we both participated. (I think they have misread the relevant policies.) ---CH 23:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Tell me I'm not crazy

Can you take a look at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/John Corvino? Interested in an outside comment. It has links to two other AFDs and three other articles (two deleted, but still in Google cache). Looks to me like we keep debating the same article. Fan-1967 03:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I deleted the repost and closed it. Let me know if you see it pop up again. Just zis Guy you know? 09:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Request for opinion: Talk:British Shorthair

Another user has added the NEDM/Happycat information into the British Shorthair "Famous British Shorthairs" subsection. In an effort to prevent another revert war over this, I have moved the debate into the Article's Talk Page. Your opinion and vote would be greatly appreciated. --Targetter 04:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Gastrich?=

Bufordhollis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) created Robert Morey.

I deleted the repost, but I don't think this is actually Gastrich. Just zis Guy you know? 08:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

John Corvino

Is it your contention that "generic associate professor"s speak to over 100 university campuses ? Wjhonson 17:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Not uncommon. Lecture tours and all. Just zis Guy you know? 22:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

WikiWoo Two

User WikiWoo (talk · contribs) seems to have a thing about Ontario regional government bureaucrats. I first noticed that he (or she) has recreated the AfD'ed David Szwarc as a redirect to Madarins of Regional Government in Ontario (sic), and in checking his (or her) contributions uncovered what seems to be a walled garden in support of Ontario regional government bureaucrats. I mean, "Senior administrators" as a redirect to Madarins of Regional Government in Ontario (sic)? It look slike admin assistance is required, and as you've apparently dealt with him before... --Calton | Talk 00:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

responding there. Just zis Guy you know? 11:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I think it's about time he get a very long block. He's recreated the recently deleted David Szwarc, Mitch Zamojc and Roger Maloney and redirected them (along with Senior administrators to Madarins (sic) of Regional Government in Ontario. He obviously has no regard for any rules here. OzLawyer 02:10, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Schools/Arguments

Can you hop over to Misplaced Pages talk:Schools/Arguments#Blanking? Rob is persisting with this vandalism nonsense, to the point where he's edit warring with popups. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

JzG: I appreciate that you're trying to be "fair" as you perceive it. However, we all know that if I were to go over to WP:BEEFSTEW, redirect it to WP:SCHOOL, then after that action was reversed, open an MfD on it, then when the consensus was developing on that MFD to retain the contents of the page (what else is there to retain, I might ask?) was clearly forming, to go ahead and REPEATEDLY blank the contents while the MfD is still pending I would earn myself a block faster than you can spell B-E-E-F-S-T-E-W. I understand that "admins stick together" around here and all that, but the fact is that AMIB is acting unilaterally and in opposition to the clear consensus developing at the MfD in question. I find it troubling that the only thing you seem to be able to say is: "Come back in 24h". You know quite well that any regular editor would not be able to get away with this clearly disruptive behavior. Irrespective of all other considerations, blatantly blanking a page while it is under consideration for MfD is vandalism, plain and simple. It is no wonder that so many users on wikipedia today complain that the collegiality of admins has become a pernicious cloak for their bad behavior.--Nicodemus75 22:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Nicodemus, the obduracy of you and a small group of others has stymied any attempt to come to a compromise, and you have effectively implemented a rule which goes entirely against long-standing policy and guidelines - in no other area would stub articles which are simply a restatement of te article title be tolerated, let alone tenaciously defended at AfD by reference to an essay which failed to achieve consensus for adoption as a guideline. It takes a great deal of work to wind up A Man In Black, but you have succeeded. With luck things will calm down, but this wil not happen as long as you continue pouring petrol on the flames. Just zis Guy you know? 07:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You deleted an article against consensus

You deleted the article David Walsh (sports reporter). You had been edit warring there and violated the rules about biographies of living people. You showed no willingness to resolve the conflict. I had asked for a third opinion, you ignore it and delete the article even though your suggestion to merge it had failed. You can delete my messages as "trolling" but you cannot deny that you abuse your administrative powers. Socafan 23:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Nope. I deleted nothing, I redirected Walsh and Ballester to an article which included the text which was otherwise virttually identical between the two, there being almost nothing in either of them other than the book. There was no consensus to merge to Armstrong, but no consensus is needed to merge two article which have dulplicate content. In fact, it's encouraged. No admin tools were used. Just zis Guy you know? 07:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to write a rouge anthem eventually, you know. RasputinAXP c 09:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

There was a third opinion helping on the content. You however ignored it and made it redirects, thus deleting the history and hiding that you had violated the same rules about biographies of living people you had claimed to have blocked me for. Your blocks of me while in a content dispute were abuse of adminship. Restore Pierre Ballester and David Walsh (sports reporter) immediately. Socafan 11:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Like I said, I merged two articles with substantially identical content to a single article which more accurately reflected the nature of that content. This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with adminship, it is a perfectly normal editorial action which can be performed by any registered user. The third opinion text was about the book it remains, unaltered, in the merged article. Just zis Guy you know? 11:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

You know very well that blocking other editors to gain an advantage in a content dispute is abuse of admin power. And you know very well that your argumentation had failed to convince and you should not make articles redirects if there are others who disagree. Socafan 11:37, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

DRV

Thanks for clearing up the messy layout. You got there before me. Tyrenius 12:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

De nada. Just zis Guy you know? 11:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

BLP Clarification

On your Deletion Review vote on Jim Shapiro, you mentioned that you thought WP:BLP be clarified. I'm curious as to what you mean by that. I agree with your vote on this deleted article. How could the BLP be better clarified? Thanks.jawesq 14:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The AfD was blanked, I believe. I have started a discussion on whether it is necessary to explicitly include project space in WP:BLP, specifically the nuke-on-soght policy for unsourced negative comments, since at present it could be read as excluded. Just zis Guy you know? 14:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

WikiWoo yet again

WikiWoo has now recreated the deleted Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Unique Regional Government Structure in Ontario, this time named Regional Government Structure in Ontario. OzLawyer 15:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Hammertime. Just zis Guy you know? 15:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Recognition

The Barnstar of Diligence

In recognition of your work in helping to keep Misplaced Pages free of original research, POV-pushing and vandalism, I award you this Barnstar of Diligence. OzLawyer 16:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The Scourge of Solihull

I realise you may be busy, but could you have a look at the article at Andrew Howlett? - I've stuck a db-hoax on it, but given the amount of effort that has gone into it I doubt it will go without a fight, and I am unusually busy for the next few weeks.

Many thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Aquilina 17:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Nuked per WP:BLP and the snowball clause (obvious hoax, the picture was Kenneth Williams) Just zis Guy you know? 17:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for your rapid mopping! Aquilina 18:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Acadame North

I respect your opinion but I do not agree, I am not doing this in 'Vanity' as you stated I am writing these articles for Socialism! You would not be here today if the glorious red army did not march in to Berlin in WW2, Do not disgrace Josip Broz Tito his Partisans Freed us! Acadame North honors that! You are acting like a Fascist! Do you no why Capitalism has failed? The League of Communists in Yugoslavia maintained a Orthodox religious community, loyal to god and their nation! Shame on you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Acadamenorth (talk • contribs) 21:26, July 31, 2006.

Responded somewhere, can't remember where. Just zis Guy you know? 11:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you very much for tackling the user who seems to me to have been trying to turn this place into Spankiwankipedia. It was about time someone did. I wish you luck of it as I am not sure he listens, but if it works, then great. JuniorJetKaptain 21:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

(note to self: Fastifex (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log))

Barnstar

Many thanks. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 05:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

De nada :-) Just zis Guy you know? 11:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Vandalizm and Lies by You

I am about to start an arbitration proceeding against you because of your vandalism and lies.

User:JzG has lied about me. He wrote: "User:Sam Sloan recently poosted on Usenet that he has re-created every chess player article of his which has been deleted." There is not much here to establish the importance of the subject. Just zis Guy you know? 12:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC) Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Geoffrey_Borg

This is an outrageous lie. I have never made and such statement on usenet or anywhere else.

Administrators who lie should be blocked and removed from Misplaced Pages. I demand that this be done.

Because of these lies by Louis Blair and User:JzG about five good articles have been deleted from Misplaced Pages and even "salted the earth". Another 30 or more articles have been vandalized by User:JzG. For Example, Geoffrey_Borg is Vice-President of the World Chess Federation, an organization of 159 member nations and thus is clearly a notable person within the standards of Misplaced Pages. Ali_Nihat_Yazici is President of the Turkish Chess Federation, an organization of 125,000 members and is the subject of an article in the current issue of ChessBase Magazine and thus is clearly a notable person. Both artocles were deleted by User:JzG

The vandalism by User:JzG of these obviously notable persons plus his lie about me is more than suffieient ground to get User:JzG kicked out of Misplaced Pages.

I have just been elected to the Executive Board of the United States Chess Federation and you can expect to receive a strongly worded letter soon if this miscxonduct is not corrected. Sam Sloan 09:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Pick better examples. Here's your admission on Usenet to the action you deny above: , and from the deletion log for Geoffrey Borg

10:48, July 27, 2006 Proto (talk • contribs) deleted "Geoffrey Borg" (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Geoffrey Borg)
04:14, March 19, 2006 Luigi30 (talk • contribs) deleted "Geoffrey Borg" (We are Geoffrey of Borg. You will be deleted.)

I guess the "vandalism" of which you speak is the removal of links to your website, which you added. WP:EL says do not add links to websites you own. Just zis Guy you know? 09:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

"Traditional counties" of Scotland

The County Watch and ABC are at it yet again: trying to claim that Scotland has "traditional counties". We knocked that myth on the head last year, when we merged the Traditional counties of Scotland article with the Administrative counties of Scotland article. Well now they are trying to say that the situation in Scotland and England is equivalent, see Template_talk:Scotland_counties#Merger. It is not. I am sick to the back teeth of this. Can you please keep an eye on the situation? --Mais oui! 09:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Responding there. Just zis Guy you know? 11:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Acadame North

I would not call putting the word 'glorious' in an article vandalism don’t worry I am writing user names down so in the event I do get blocked I can send a nice long email. Please don’t give me those links I really don’t care about those policies.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Acadamenorth (talk • contribs)

You might not, others do. I know you don't care about policy, that is why you are a problem. Just zis Guy you know? 13:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Opinions of other admins

JzG, may I suggest you make sure a couple other admins are keeping an eye on this thing, so that your actions (if you end up blocking him further) are not taken as those of a real "rouge admininstrator." :) OzLawyer 16:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Good thought. Posted to WP:AN. Just zis Guy you know? 11:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Armand Navabi

Hey dude, regarding Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Armand_Navabi I have added some new stuff to the article and put a new source in (he was featured in a big computer magazine as well as Wired). I reckon the kid passes WP:MUSIC now. Wondering if you might reconsider your vote. Drett 02:26, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Visited. Just zis Guy you know? 11:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Cycling icon

I hope you'll forgive the impersonal nature of this note; inasmuch as I've essentially the same message for four editors, I'm copying it to the talk pages of SimonBrooke, Mindfrieze, Guy, and Vclaw. In any event, a discussion was recently undertaken at Portal talk:Cycling as to the image used in Template:Cycling project (which discussion, I should say, seemed to be altogether a good one); acting boldly, and consistent with my idiosyncratic and obsession-driven attempt properly to refactor or format the sundry Portal talk pages, I moved the discussion to Template talk:Cycling project, where such discussion is more likely to invite participation from others interested in the topic). I mean not at all to be indecorous, and so if one of you should revert, I'd certainly understand, especially inasmuch as Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Cycling, another page at which such discussion might belong, seems generally moribund. Joe 04:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Responded there. Just zis Guy you know? 11:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Lindsey German image

Hi JzG

Sorry you have been dragged into this stupidity. I will fill you in on the background.

The User “JK the unwise” is a long standing member of the Community Party of Great Britain. This group is characterised by its extreme sectarianism towards other groups on the left. JK has an obsession with Lindsey German. In July 2005 he travelled up to the Make Poverty History Rally in Scotland with a camera and proceeded to take as many pictures of Lindsey German and her partner John Rees as he could possibly fit on his memory card. People thought he was an undercover cop until I explained he was from the CPGB. Please have a look at the history page on the John Rees article to see the image he has been trying to upload for the last year and you will get some idea of JK’s agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_Rees_%28UK_politician%29&diff=66274898&oldid=66274544

I do not bother to talk to JK because he is not serious and will simply try and pretend he is being reasonable. All he cares about is posting unflattering images of people whose politics he hates with a passion. It is sad but such is the nature of the CPGB.

Don’t waste your time trying to reason with him. He has only one agenda.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fashion1 (talk • contribs)

Monitoring the article. Just zis Guy you know? 21:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Pensacola Christian College

It appears that we were simultaneously editing the Pensacola Christian College article after 68.209.195.2 raised objections to information in the Accreditation section. After reviewing both the edits where the info was originally inserted, as well as the resulting discussion, I opted to move most of the material in question to the talk page pending verification. I tried to keep most of the info you added on Christian college accreditation and TRACS. Please accept my apologies if I inadvertently stepped on your toes (or edits). --Kralizec! (talk) 13:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Responded at article Talk Just zis Guy you know? 21:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Deletion of Celeste (VelvetGeisha)

How come you nominated this page for deletion? The author of the site hasn't even been given time to write his case of why it shouldn't be deleted. Also I have also found more sites on Misplaced Pages that is of the same type that has been there for ages without getting deleted (like Masuimi Max) so what makes this article any different? Please respond as I would greatly like to hear your thoughts on this matter. I run the official fan club of that actress btw.. She may not be up to Masuimi Max's status yet but she has a fan base and we don't understand why the article on her has to be deleted.

I nominated for deletion via AfD because User:Ryulong requested deletion, which you contested but without giving any reason. To unclutter CAT:CSD I moved it to AfD, as I usually do. Your being aparently a single-purtpose account also gives an impression that this subject is being promoted. The picture has a copyright issue. Just zis Guy you know? 16:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I haven't had time to write any reason as there is a time difference and I have been at work. What do you mean by single-purtpose account? I am only just beginning to edit and post at Misplaced Pages and have edited 2 articles so far (one being the one on Celeste the other on Kurt Nilsen altho I am having problems with the picture I uploaded from the fanclub page.) As for the picture copyright issue I have permission from the copyrightholder and have added this to the tekst under the picture as of now. If it makes it better I can hand over the article to another member of Celeste's fan club so he can edit it if my status is in question.

AfD takes five days, you have plenty of time to fix the article before it finishes. See WP:BIO for the kinds of evidence people are looking for. The meaning of single purpoise account is in the linked document - calling yourself velvetgeisha looks a bit sus, under the circumstances. Not that it's necessarily a problem, as long as this is not a role account, which is verboten. Don't worry, you'll get used to our Wiki-ways soon enough :-) I'll post some helpful links on your Talk page. Just zis Guy you know? 16:19, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The account acctually was Celestes but was given over to her fanclub as she never used it. I should have made my own but I never thaught about it. THink I should make one for myself to avoid further problems in the future maybe :) And all tips are most welcome :)

Regarding Ektron CMS400.NET

Something is screwed up with Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ektron CMS400.NET. It appears that your nom was appended to an earlier closed AfD, and that after your nom it was speedily redirected and deletion out of order. I've slapped an {{at}}/{{ab}} pair on it, but you may wish to review/revert. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri 21:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. That happens sometimes - I use Jnothman's AfD helper and if there is no AfD notice on Talk to give a clue, previously deleted articles sometimes get appended like that> I usually fix it but I guess that must have been about the time the hub mail server went offline :-) Just zis Guy you know? 07:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

In regards to your comment about WP:SCHOOLS

In regards to the following comment you made on AMIB's talk page:

Good idea but doomed to fail. The usual suspects are already sabotaging it while simultaneously asserting that they will never accept it. Just zis Guy you know? 21:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow. Talk about bad faith. And to think I just joined Misplaced Pages a few months ago, and already people like myself and over a dozen new people who signed up at WP:EiC in the last few months are being lumped into "the usual suspects". I understand you guys may have been here since the dawn of time (in terms of Misplaced Pages), but give everyone a fair chance, will you? --Stephane Charette 01:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Go and read the previous discussions. I recall two excellent compromise proposals and a number of other good ideas all of which were rejected out of hand because they were not "keep all schools". Those of us who were looking for ways to cover schools without violating WP:V and WP:RS and without being a mere directory were repeatedly called deletionists, although no deletion was ever proposed, only merging or transwiki. The most common mantra as I recall was "all schools are inherently notable", which is proof by assertion. I'm happy to take part in the debate, but I have no confidence in a good result because for some people this is a religious issue: no school article may be anything other than a separate article. Even when it's been shown that the article was a hoax, some schools inclusionists have voted keep at AfD simply because the article had the S word in the title. In no other area do we have defence of articles which are simply a restatement of the article title, or a copy and paste from a directory. it is an anomaly, but some people are determined to keep it so. See my old school for a school which I consider borderline notable. Just zis Guy you know? 07:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted your userpage

User:I love ytmnd added a userbox to your page . I can only assume this was without your authorization and I have reverted it. If you would like me to refrain from reverting vandalism to your userpage in the future, just say the word. —ptk⁂fgs 11:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Heh! Amusing. Yes, it was without my consent but full marks to him for at least keeping the silliness out of mainspace :-) Just zis Guy you know? 11:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Fast work :-)

I try my best :) — FireFox _{12:29, 03 August '06}

Assume good faith

Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. See Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith for the guidelines on this. Socafan 12:37, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Please demonstrate good faith when dealing with biographies of living individuals. Just zis Guy you know? 12:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Calling others names in no way helps to resolve conflicts. Good faith is to be assumed in general. I see your edits lacking neutrality as much as you see the same with mine. Socafan 12:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Very droll. The way to resolve a conflict where you are on one side and everybody else is on the other is probably for you to at least acknowledge the possibility that you might be wrong, something you have yet to do. Just zis Guy you know? 13:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)