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Your Edit Count (From Interiot's Tool)

You mentioned that you had previously been unable to access your edit count using this tool. I think you might have a few too many edits =D. You have to keep clicking continue instead of stop script. Anywhere, here it is. Regards, Alphachimp 05:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Username ChrisO
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First edit 18:12, 21 October 2003
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Talk 1515
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Personal attacks and Kosovo

It would be very good if you could look this up. I recommend you to give this IP adress 81.136.139.227 a warning or block him for what he wrote here on .

I am sorry I didnt take part in the request for mediation on the Kosovo article, but I have had almost no time for Misplaced Pages sadly for some time, but I hope it will change soon. Best regards - Litany 16:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Users Jum4 and Piecraft

Hi Chris, I hate to keep leaning on you as a beacon of sanity, but you just are. On the discussion page for The Frosties Kid, users Jum4 and Piecraft cannot be made to understand the concept of Original Research, and have made repeated personal attacks to me such as "Wikinazi", "loon swinging a handbag", "get your head out of your ass" and "if you are too slow". Such uncivility is unacceptable and I'm surprised no admin has given them warnings. The discussion page also indicates that they think personally emailing a cereal company is a valid source for a Misplaced Pages article, and Jum4 brushed off my WP:OR concerns with, and I quote, "Let's be honest most articles on Misplaced Pages are over embellished and long winded." (The Frosties Kid article, incidentally, is the only article Jum4 has ever edited.) wikipediatrix 16:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Gibraltarian

I think Gibraltarian must be quite bored and frustrated. I'm sorry to see he's vandalising your userpages now :( E Asterion 20:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

It's my aim to make Gibraltarian bored and frustrated - he's learning (I hope) that vandalism doesn't pay. As for vandalising my talk page, I don't mind. It confines his vandalism to one place and it's easily resolved. -- ChrisO 20:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think he'll ever learn. What I find so hard to understand is why hasn't he ever appealed his ban if he is so bothered about it? It's like he feels the need to carry on, possibly out of some compulsive manic behaviour. Cheers, E Asterion 20:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I think he's a raving loon. Or perhaps more charitably, maybe he has OCD or something. -- ChrisO 20:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

LOL! I wouldn't be surprised at all. Take care, E Asterion 22:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

FYI: He has made (or has attempted to make) an appeal - see Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee. It seems he's still unrepentent even in his appeal statement. E Asterion 23:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

You now see the extremes I have been forced to go to in order to get people to take niotice of this blatant injustice. My original ban was unjustifiable, and only served to encourage racism. This is NOT acceptable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.120.226.180 (talk • contribs) 01:00, 23 July 2006.

Nobody has "forced" you to blank pages or post abusive rants to users you don't like. That was entirely your own decision. Every time you do those things (each of which is a blockable offence in its own right, by the way) you only confirm that the block was correct. If you want to prove that you really do want to be a good Wikipedian, I suggest that you stop vandalising and stop abusing other users. Is that so hard for you to do? -- ChrisO 00:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Is it so hard for WP to admit that the original ban, and the procedures followed were simply WRONG and unjustifiable????

Ban

I'm going to remove the ban on Guy per SV's request. I think the ban is reasonable, but evidently I'm too involved. I'm not sure if that applies for you too? - FrancisTyers · 11:56, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Inter-User Correlation

I did calculate the statistics for your user account -- you didn't have any strong correlations with anyone else. The unfiltered data is here User:Bhouston/IAArbComCaseDataAnalysis3#Inter-User_correlations_for_User:ChrisO. I have ammended my statement. I would like to do better data analysis thus if you have any ideas on direction, feel free to make a suggestion. --Ben Houston 20:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad - I didn't notice that (I think my eyes had glazed over by that point!). Thanks. -- ChrisO 20:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Thoughts on Amnesty or Refocusing of the IA RfA

I just posted this at the IA RfA -- its in a section on just defaulting to a general amnesty for all participants. I am not sure if you agree with it or not but I would welcome your thoughts since you initiated the RfA and not myself. --Ben Houston 03:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Kosovo

Why you dont put Kosovo als a region in Serbia it is ore easy then we dont have problems. No, no dont woury. Kosovo is a normal part of Serbia like New York City part of USA. We are traing here to help the Wikipedians to finde soulution and this we do if we give right a group. The poit is, we dont need the problems. The Neutraly is not importen. Kosovo is a normal part of Serbia like Vojvodina. In Kosovo is serbian administration and they have the suverenty of this region.

Are you dreaming???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.178.10.219 (talk • contribs) 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Eciklopedia

It is your text in Kosovo article: In short, there isn't a single reference source that I can find that describes Kosovo as anything other than a province in Serbia. This emphasizes just how far outside the mainstream Ilir pz and Ferick's position is. -- ChrisO 12:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

My I aske you why you dont go and work for Britannica Student, Britannica Junior or somthing like this? This encyclopeis diden know till in new time whatt is Kosovo they was thinkin that is a antice beatel feeld. They diden know nothing about Kosovo like you and they are whatching what we are discussion here. More thene 10 arguments witch I jave presant here in Wiki they have "modifikedet" in they text. This is a circel you are copy from they and the copy from you. Do you know why? Beacose the ont know nothing only the replay from serbian propagander. Kosovo it was serbia, Kosovo is Serbia, Serbia Kosovo and Kosovo Serbia, Serbia Kosovo. They dont know nothing. They dont have no info about the geograph, ekonomy they have info about the religion "Muslim, terorist, muslim, albaner, terorist ...." only bull shit from serbian propaander. My dier friend you dont know nothing about Kosovo and you are voting and working with one articel in witch you dont know nothing ol Kosovo is Serbia, muslim terorist albaner and bla, bla.... Just do it! and support the "Sava Center" diplomatic War. Shame you!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.178.10.219 (talk • contribs) 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Gibraltar

I note that the block on my IP has been lifted and assume that the system kept it in place for 24 hours despite your best efforts to revoke it.

If you are in the business of blocking people you really should have an email address configured to receive complaints, however I acknowledge you did respond promptly to the message on my user page.

I also feel that if you are going to block me for an edit war, that user:burgas00 is equally to blame if not more so as he has been attempting to provoke a dispute for some time and doing little else.

There is no need whatsoever to post an article from the Spanish Misplaced Pages onto the talk pages of the Gibraltar page except as an abusive act. I consider it little more than vandalism and removed it accordingly.

HOWEVER, I did replace it with a link to the article and did not remove any actual comments by user:burgas00 although on one edit he removed mine which required a revert.

Most of his effort has been to a) push the unsubstantiated claim that the Spanish residents of Gibraltar who left in 1704 were the 'original; Gibraltarians' which is a well known propaganda piece, and to label the Gibraltar finance centre a 'tax haven' using sources which do not actually support that. It is accepted that that term is pejorative, a search on Google yields for the two terms yields 146,000 hits.

Generally I have tried to improve the quality of the pages by adding appropriate graphics, and decent sources for things, however a lot of time has been totally wasted by an ill advised RfC which speaks for itself.

I can be accused of holding the view that Spanish material and sources referring to Gibraltar are suspect, this is based on 20 years analysing the situation and have cited examples. I have recordings of Lola de Palacio falsly blaming Gibraltar for the MT Prestige disaster.

In the past both the .en and .es wikipedias have contained outright defamatory lies about Gibraltar included by 'editors' with Spanish IP addresses. It is rather hard to assume good faith when the evidence is all to the contrary.

Finally I note that the user is now backpedalling and has changed the comment that 'he will translate the .es page on the economy of Gibraltar' to inviting help to translate it in order to justify its inclusion. There was no invitation to translate made at the time I deleted it, it was simply 'in your face'.

There are also comments designed to be offensive, like the reference to Gibraltarians whose native language is Spanish. That might not seem offensive to you as an outsider but would be enought to start a fight here. There are some snide comments about me not speaking Spanish, as it happens I do along with French, German and my school report on Latin said excellent. However I would save it for Rome and the Gibraltar pages on the .en Misplaced Pages should be in English, and references to 'economia' are inviting trouble.

If this problem persists, instead of further reverts, I will instigate a formal complaint against user:burgas00 in the same way one was used against the user:gibraltarian.

--Gibnews 14:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

As you seem to doubt that the Government of Spain remains senselessly hostile towards Gibraltar, you may care to read the following:

Spain continues with hostile legal action over Gibraltar voting rights

A link is adequate, I'm not trying to flood your discussion page ....

--Gibnews 20:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to join Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy

Hi there! I've noticed that you've edited articles pertaining to the Eastern Orthodox Church. I wanted to extend an invitation to you to join the WikiProject dedicated to organizing and improving articles on the subject, which can be found at: WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy. This WikiProject was begun because a need was perceived to raise the level of quality of articles on Misplaced Pages which deal with the Eastern Orthodox Church.

You can find information on the project page about the WikiProject, as well as how to join and how to indicate that you are a member of the project. Additionally, you may be interested in helping out with our collaboration of the month. I hope you'll consider joining and thank you for your contributions thus far! —A.S. Damick 19:53, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Good Old Hipi...

...is back. I tagged one of the IPs he's been using as {{Hipi Zhdripi}}. Am I wrong thinking he is no longer permablocked? E Asterion 20:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Im Hipi yes. i diden say nothing else.

Are you Administrator

Are you Administrator?

Yes. -- ChrisO 18:27, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

cities in Bosnia and Herzegovia

Dear Chris, I have to admire your previous work, but I am feeling responsable for some facts about Bosnia and Herzegovina. At first: Demographics in cities- I am living in Gradiska in the northern Bosnia, That part calls Republic of Srpska, and I used to edit a page on Misplaced Pages about Gradiska. It was large article and I belive you have cut it.Indeed it was too large article about so small town. Altought, demographics body had better informations. Today it sayes:"In 1991, the municipality of Bosanska Gradiška had a population of 60,062, of which there were 35,989 Serbs (59.9%), 15,888 Bosniaks (26.4%), 3,422 Croats (5.6%), 3,245 Yugoslavs (5.4%) and 1,518 others (2.5%). The town of Bosanska Gradiška itself had 18,671 residents: 43.5% Bosniaks, 37.7% Serbs, 10.3% Yugoslavs, 4.6% Croats, 3.9% others." As you can see, these are an official informations 15 years old. Unfortunatley, these are the last official informations about ethnic structure. But in last 15 years there were many unofficial lists about ethnic structure, some of them were politicly manipulated and changed, and small number of them had real informations.These lists were made by organizations which are not under goverment jurisdiction and non-political organizations.One of them was made on sample of 1000 people from Gradiska and about 90% was Serbs, 6% Bosniaks, 3% Croats, and 1% other. I know that this percentage is different from that one in 1991 but it is less or more truth. The most important thing is that Serbs are dominant in Gradiska. This is result of war in Bosnia.During the war, many Serbs from Central Bosnia were forced to leave their homes in cities like Travnik, Donji Vakuf, Gornji Vakuf, Zenica, Bugojno and came to Serb dominant cities like Gradiska, there are aslo people from Sanski Most, Drvar, Bosanski Petovac, Sarajevo, and many others. On the other side, Bosniaks and Croats in Gradiska had to leave their homes and go to Bosniaks and Croats Dominant area. It is awful truth, but it is Truth. The Second thing is the way you write about war in Bosnia. There are often stories about serbian agressions, serbian genocide,...You have to know that there was a civil war in Bosnia. It is truth when people talk about Serbs massacres in Srebrenica, in Foca,... But people should know about massacres made by forces of El-Mujahid divisions around Sarajevo, Doboj ,Zenica,...El-Mujahid was made bz volonteurs from Saudi-Arabia, Egypt, Lybia and other islamic countries.They used to rape a five,six,seven and more years young children, They used to collect serbs heads that they have cut off,...Their sponsor was and is Al-Quaida and Osama bin Laden, who was in Bosnia during the war 1991-1995. Also, Croats used to burn alive Bosniaks children.You should consider these things, when you are making stories about civil war in Bosnia, to make better and bigger wikipedia- the best encyclopedia ever!

Your faithfully, Vladimir,18 from Gradiska( Republic of Srpska,Bosnia and Herzegovina)

P.S. Sorry about language and grammar errors.

Thanks Vladimir, but have you confused me with someone else? I've never edited the Gradiška article. If you have some concerns about it, maybe you should raise it on Talk:Gradiška? -- ChrisO 18:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment re Kosovo

I have just been trying to get my head round Kosovo...

I am looking into the ISO country codes for a system I am designing. Whilst comparing the countries & codes as found in an address search tool (naming no names) against the countries & codes, as far as I can tell, that are defined by ISO. The address search tool uses an individual "ISO" code for Kosovo.. but ISO don't. So I yahoo'd on "Kosovo" and started reading the comments on wiki and other websites... I found the wiki discussions on Kosovo "interesting". I found an statement, which may be of interest to you, at the bottom of all the recent UN articles referring to Kosovo as an Albanian-majority Serbian province.

I found the first on http://www.unmikonline.org/news.htm#01307 then followed their source link to http://www.un.org/News/ and found 3 articles for Kosovo in last two weeks alone. Date of Last article is 24 July 2006... http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=19291&Cr=kosovo&Cr1= The Last paragraph states... "Kosovo, an Albanian-majority Serbian province, has been run by the UN since Western forces drove out Yugoslav troops in 1999 amid grave human rights abuses in ethnic fighting."

It is up to you (I chose you as you are a wiki administrator) if you want to do anything with this.

I hope it was ok to "send" this comment to you.

More than OK - that's very useful. Thanks! -- ChrisO 18:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

e-mail

As you have your e-mail disabled, can you cintact me per e-mail? -- Kim van der Linde 23:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Scientology protection

I think Scientology is due for semiprotection again. The recent history is just a series of vandalism and reverts. I also just had to remove the YTMND link again. --Davidstrauss 08:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikimania

Oh, and will you be at Wikimania? --Davidstrauss 08:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Afraid not, Boston is a bit off the beaten track for me... -- ChrisO 18:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Image:Tgv sud est.jpg

Hi, I need to know if Image:Tgv sud est.jpg is taken and released under GFDL by you because someone uploaded it to chinese wikipedia without giving source and now it's been submitted for deletion. I just want to make sure so that we can keep it in chinese wiki.(or maybe it should be uploaded to commons after all since it's licensed under GFDL.) Thanks for you time.-- Nikopoley✪尼可波里 ✏舉手發言Hablas! 23:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I took it, and it's GFDL. I'd suggest uploading it to the commons, if it's going to be used on more than one wiki. -- ChrisO 18:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello

How do you know so much stuff on Nevesinje in Bosnia and Herzegovina?

Some mistake surely? I've never edited the Nevesinje article. You might want to ask its editors on Talk:Nevesinje. -- ChrisO 18:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: References

Hi Chris,

Yes, I was going over that. The reason why that happened is because some of the refs were broken, but I'll try to fix them as best I can. —Khoikhoi 22:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks! -- ChrisO 22:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, the thing that I'm talking about is that {{ref|250294}} does not match {{note|260294}} and {{note|mej}} is isolated (there is not a corresponding ref). These are just 2 of the problems. You see what I'm saying? —Khoikhoi 23:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

your addition to Aeschines Socraticus: Marble bust image

Hello, I believe that the image of Aeschines which you recently attached to the Aeschines Socraticus entry is actually a bust of Aeschines the orator not of Aeschines Socraticus. Compare, e.g., the image of Aeschines posted in the Demosthenes article. I'd appreciate if you'd look into this.

Sincerely, Isokrates 03:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Ferick

OK, Chris :) --serbiana - talk 21:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, one more thing, could you unprotect my userpage, or restore it to this version. I think that 3.5 weeks of protection is enough, and I've learned my lesson. Thanks in advance, --serbiana - talk 21:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Boris. On the user page thing: I unprotected it once before and you burned me on that occasion. I'm sorry, but having had my trust abused before, I'm not going to do the same thing again. You'll have to convince someone else. -- ChrisO 22:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Could you then return it to the version I gave you the link for (the one before I called Ferick and a few others "trolls", which is why it was protected (even though I've been called a troll by Ilir and others thousands of times, and noone ever punished them)) and add Cuba to the list of countries I visited. Or you could unlock it for 10 min, and protect it again, I don't like how it looks at the moment, because Andrew didn't just revert my edits, but rather erased one part, and now it looks ugly. Besides, the first time it was locked, it was done so because I wrote that Kosovo is Serbia, and I was warned not to put "nationalistic" quotes on my page (odd, cuz the last time I checked, Kosovo was a part of Serbia). So, if you could reconsider unlocking it, I would advise you of my changes before I make them, and not make any changes if you consider them to be unsuitable for someone's userpage. I did not burn you, I didn't even know calling Ferick or others an internet troll is a personal attack, since I used to be called a troll on a regular basis. I thought an internet troll was someone who disrupted others who wanted to work seriously on a project. So, anyways, at least make the changes I asked you, and think over unprotecting my page, under the rules I have proposed (first I ask you, then I make edit). All the best, --serbiana - talk 22:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Removing uncited sources and websites with copyright violations

Hi ChrisO, I removed uncited information and sites with copyright violations. This removal is protected by Misplaced Pages policy. If you doubt me, I will be glad to provide you with the references to Misplaced Pages policy. Note: failure to abide by policy will be documented and used against you in arbitration. --Spanked 00:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Uncited information

Hi ChrisO, your revert included the re-addition of "OSA has mounted character assassination operations against many critics of the Church." Please do not add uncited information to wikipedia as it may be considered vandalism. Please cite your sources or remove the sentence. --Spanked 00:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

If you do not provide a citation immediately, the sentence may be removed by anyone. --Spanked 00:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Revert revert

Would you care to explain this: --Spanked 00:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

A mistake on my part, which I re-reverted immediately. (I misread the Talk page as being the main article page.) -- ChrisO 00:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

You made more than one mistake, see my comments above and on the corresponding article's talk page. --Spanked 01:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Your edits on Xenu etc

Please stop. If you continue to remove content from pages, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. -- ChrisO 00:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

What policy am I in violation of? Please tell me, and for your information, calling for blocks is considered uncivil. --Spanked 00:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

The items you deleted from Operating Thetan constituted a summary of the OT levels, a legally published affidavit and a fair use analysis of the OT levels. Your deletions from Xenu included one website which claims to have OT III scans (but doesn't any more) and a fair use analysis of the OT III. And what is your explanation for this deletion of referenced, non-copyvio content? Why did you use the rather dishonest edit summary "removed unreferenced", when what you removed was in fact referenced in several places?

Your actions constitute blanking for presumably POV reasons, which is a form of vandalism and is a blockable action. Please don't do it. If you have legitimate issues with links, discuss them on the talk page - don't just delete them without comment. -- ChrisO 00:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I have explained the removal of uncited information on your talk page. Please provide a cite your source lest your reverts be considered vandalism, bad faith, or simply erroneous. --Spanked 00:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Let me spell this out for you. On Office of Special Affairs, you deleted a block of cited, referenced text under an inaccurate and frankly dishonest edit summary ("removed unreferenced"). This was in no way "uncited information". On Xenu and Operating Thetan you deleted several external links on the grounds that they were copyright violations. Most of the links you removed were in fact fair use summaries, including one document () which has been specifically okayed for publication by the courts. To repeat what I said earlier, you're removing valid external links and referenced material for patently invalid reasons. That constitutes vandalism - don't do it. There won't be any further warnings. -- ChrisO 00:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Let me spell it out for you, instead, ChrisO. You obviously did not examine my edits very carefully. Is the "block" of information you are referring to in the OSA article? That "block" was not deleted. Only one sentence from that block was deleted. Are you going to provide a citation for that sentence? You're revert is responsible for the inclusion of the material in question, provide a citation or else you're revert will be considered vandalism. As far as removing sites with copyvios on the other 2 articles, you claim spaink has received okay. Did she receive ok in the United States where EN.wikipedia resides? I doubt it, and if that is the case then provide proof that she is exempt from Misplaced Pages's policies about websites with copyright violations. Failure to answer will be documented and used against you in arbitration. Your threats of blocks and complaints of non-existent vandalism will be considered uncivil and used against you in arbitration. --Spanked 01:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Cite your sources

ChrisO, have you provided a citation for the sentence in dispute on the OSA article? --Spanked 01:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Darfour Card

Hello,

My name is Nathalie Courtier and I am working for Publicis Dialog based in Paris. We are working with an association "www.sauverledarfour.org". This assocation tries to communicate in the french media to sensibilised the french population to the Darfour.

In our communication,, we want to realise free post cards (cart'com) and we would like to use your visual of the Darfour we saw on the first page of this website.

We was wondering if you could give us your autorisation and if it would be possible to have this image in a better size to be able to print it.

You can contact me or sand me a mail :

nathalie.courtier@publicis.fr Tel : 00.31.1.44.43.78.11

Thank you very much for your answer as soon as possible, it will be very helpfull for the association.

Best regards and do not hesitate to contact me if you need further information.

Unspecified source for Image:Apotheosis of homer text.jpg

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Bad Nenndorf

Maybe you should let us know whether you are able to assess the three sources that are in German, as these may have a bearing on the discussion. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 18:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi - in several minutes I will give up a statement concerning the whole issue on the German site (in English and German). Kind regards.--KarlV 10:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you ...

Do yourself a favor, do me a favor, save a multitude of editors a multitude of discussion, and do User:Fahrenheit451 a favor and talk to F451 and tell him that this term, publish, means to the broad general public without regard to membership in an organization, employment by a company or any other restriction ? F is convinced that published to a public is accurate and that published to the public is not accurate. Terryeo 13:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Chris, it looks to me like Terryeo is spreading nonsense here. He has also taken a discussion off the relevant pages on put it on your page. --Fahrenheit451 06:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Spanked CheckUser

Hi ChrisO. I'm trying to other CheckUsers to check my results and confirm my findings first. Sorry for the delay. Jayjg 21:26, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem, thanks Jay. -- ChrisO 23:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the length of time this is taking; I've been asking for confirmation of my findings on the CheckUser list, but so far no-one else has been able to devote time to this. I'm hoping for some help very soon. Jayjg 22:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

KarlV blocked indefinitely

Hi, re Bad Nenndorf and Bad_Nenndorf_interrogation_centre: Pschemp has blocked User_talk:KarlV indefinitely for *one* (and the first) violation of WP:POINT, this is disproportionate. Besides, Pschemp keeps edit warring, instead of answering a serious claim here, this is unwarranted as well. --tickle me 10:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Reverts on Bad Nenndorf

With reluctance, I give you a 3RR warning. Everyone being treated equally.

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you.

Regards,

Samsara (talk • contribs) 11:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Bad Nenndorf interrogation centre

Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to research the 1948 sources and writing a more comprehensive article about this topic. In reviewing the sources, I found one dead link - not sure who added it - about the demo in July; I've replaced it with the only reasonable sources I could find - one indymedia and one antifa website. A more neutral source, esp. newspaper (web?) article would be preferable if you come across one. Cheers, Samsara (talk • contribs) 09:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Apologies

Dear Chris, please accept my apologies. I have to admit, I fist assumed bad faith watching you "tampering" with Bad Nenndorf. But now I have to admit you did a great job, much better than I could have done myself. Thank you very much for your contribution to the good new lemma. I like Burke's Peerage 11:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Community ban

Hello Chirs : - ) I think that there is a misunderstanding about why Homey is indef. blocked. All of User:Homeontherange's known accounts are blocked for disruption due to use of abusive and disruptive sockpuppets. I became aware of Homeontherange's use of disruptive sockpuppets while dealing with another banned user, WordBomb. Homeontherange's abuse of sockpuppets has been documented by Checkuser. Until another admin unblocks Homey, hopefully with full community consensus, he is under a community ban and I will continue to block his sockpuppets on sight. If you have furter questions please contact me. Regards, --FloNight 14:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Srebrenica massacre article protection

ChrisO, As you may have noticed, Bosniak has now reverted the Srebrenica massacre article to his previous, and in my opinion, very biased and in some cases incorrect version. Although I have (a) offered to discuss edits, (b) explained any edits which I have made (c) provided reliable sources for all of the edits that I have made, Bosniak is unwilling to allow any other interpretation or presentation of the events than his own. I believe that he is most likely too emotionally involved with the topic to be able to make sound and neutral judgements on this topic. For Bosniak, this seems to be too more of a political than an academic issue.

I have requested an unprotection of the article, citing the above reasons. However, I feel that I will need some help on this one and would be very grateful if you could help mediate this conflict. Cheers, Osli73 21:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, apparently this article has been unlocked now.Osli73 16:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Kosovo-InfoBox

The IP guy is Hipi Zhdripi. He's done this before. He uses AOL so there is really nothing we can do but semiprotect the articles. There is no point on discussing with him, he will simply call you a Serb. I gave up on him a while ago. Don't waste your time reminding him about WP:SOAP or similar stuff as he doesn't really care to listen. What I can't understand is how this guy can be an admin on sq.wikipedia. Cheers, E Asterion 01:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Terryeo stuff

Please take a look at this: Image_talk:Superpowerbldg.jpg--Fahrenheit451 14:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I mentioned this at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement several hours ago, and in the meantime Terryeo has ramped up the issue and amplified his disruption level. Since you are involved in the discussion, it is probably best for somebody disinterested to be the one to swoop in administratively, if any swooping is to be done. But if you know a way to get an admin or two to drop in for a speedy look-see, please do so... it would be nice to douse this particular flame-up at an early stage. BTfromLA 00:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The permission to use the image is based on Misplaced Pages being a critic of the Church of Scientology (in the owner's opinion). I point that overlooked datum out at that page. Such a granted use of image imperial's Misplaced Pages for obvious reasons. What happens when the author no longer views Misplaced Pages as a critic of The Church of Scientology? Terryeo 22:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Ferick

You might want to take a closer look at the protection logs for Kosovo. Ferick claims that I protected the article to stop him from editing. In fact, I unprotected it on 24 June 2006 and again on 28 July 2006, following agreement among all the other editors on the talk page; on each occasion, Ferick started edit warring again within a matter of hours. In each case the protection was added at following a request for protection in the normal fashion. I did briefly semi-protect it on 4 August 2006 to block a spate of vandalism from a user abusing multiple anonymous proxy servers, but unprotected it a few hours later when the vandal had gone away. This did not, of course, affect Ferick's ability to edit the article. Please reconsider your statement on Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Ferick. -- ChrisO

Just noticed that the most recent entry states "protected" - not sure what that is, as the article is most definitely unprotected right now. Check the current protection status for yourself! -- ChrisO 00:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I've reworded my endorsement for clarity. The page is currently move-protected, for some reason, but not edit-protected. You move-protected it on August 4th, probably by accident. Stifle (talk) 00:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

copyright

Website kosovo.net has a lot of unauthorized content. In addition, just read what the say in the bottom of the site: "This site may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material." Link http://www.kosovo.net/news/archive/2006/February_15/2.html

The link should absolutely be removed. --Noah30 10:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I agree. -- ChrisO 20:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Anonymous Trolling

This one too is quite peculiar ... E Asterion 18:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Block

ChrisO you have to block this unregistreted vandal:

This ip 208.3.69.196 have been vandalising many articles related to Kosovo, including Kosovo-article. 3 edits during a day. It is about time to block this ip address.

Vandalised my talk page to

Mine too. As I'm involved in the Kosovo article I can't block the user myself, but I've asked other administrators to intervene. -- ChrisO 20:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. I hope you agree that comments made by 208.3.69.196 about Ferick http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Ferick are attacks on his integrity, and therefore should be removed. I did so

Wish you a nice evening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noah30 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

CheckUser

Hi Chris, as suggested on the talk page of the Ferick RfC, would it be a good idea to ask for a Checkuser on the 208.3.69.196 IP, the other IPs you mentioned and possible Ferick's account? If this IP really belongs to a registered user, it might be worthwhile to find out and take appropriate action. Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 21:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I just reported that IP for 3RR violation, started immediatly again after 1 hour block expired. . Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 21:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

I am apparently blocked from editing some copy on the 20th Century limited because : Your user name or IP address has been blocked from editing. You were blocked by ChrisO for the following reason (see our blocking policy): Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "WILLIAM DAKOTA". The reason given for WILLIAM DAKOTA's block is: "Blocked for repeatedly adding defamatory content". Your IP address is 205.188.117.6.

I have no idea who William Dakota is, and I have never sent any defamatory information to Misplaced Pages or to any other internet website. I am a railfan and was a frequent 20th Century Limited passenger during the last 5 years of its run, and had some inform,ation to share concerning that period of the train's operation.

Art House (my name, not a business)

I don't even know how to get an IP adderess....

So I don't understand why I was blocked.

Suitable lead

Hi,

Please look at the talk page and write your idia about the lead.--Sa.vakilian 08:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 13:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Kosovo

Hi Chris, it certainly seems to be the same person. What would you like to see happen? I can sprotect the pages in question and ask him to choose one account to edit with, making clear that any other accounts/IPs will be blocked. Would that do it, do you think? SlimVirgin 19:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Your observation of the influence on a user

Chris, I think you are correct. Those folks get into a suppressive mentality where they cannot perceive directly, but rather through the attitudes and views of the group. There is enough coercion to enforce this means of dealing with the outside world. This is one factor that is pushing them to the fringes of society. It is a vicious control mechanism. That user is very much caught in that influence. I don't think he is intelligent or courageous enough to wake up.--Fahrenheit451 19:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:Winged victory.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Winged victory.jpg. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Misplaced Pages (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Bibi Saint-Pol (sprechen) 20:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

blog reliability

I was wondering about the policy for using a blog as a reference. The link you removed on the Qana airstrike page seems to show the staging of photographs of the Qana airstrike. I recognise that this blog may not be widely read, but that doesn't necessary make it wrong. It also seems like this discussion in itself is a small part of a larger information war considering the fact, (and think it is a fact) that the Qana airstrike has been used as propaganda by Hezbollah, perhaps websites such as this one deserve exposure despite WP:RS. The information is relevant but I don't think it qualifies as a conspiracy theory. The comparisons of the photographs on the websites seem logical and factual, although I admit that these too could be manipulations. It's probably to soon to tell what actually happened there, but do you think we should wait for a larger media source to pick up on it? Misplaced Pages is concerned with facts, and it seems there's substantial proof that there have not only been photo manipulations, but the staging of photographs at Qana as propaganda. I also don't think that just because this is a current event, only news sites can be referenced although, maybe I should have intoduced the topic of the Qana photos being staged as one that was being discussed in the blogosphere.

Hi Chris

Hi Chris,

You remember me, right?

Can these people really be considered objective?

Check this out:

1. http://www.geocities.com/famous_bosniaks/english/general_lewis_mackenzie.html

2. http://www.geocities.com/famous_bosniaks/english/fighting_for_peace.html

--Bosniak 06:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Religon

Why hide fact Albanian ARE MUSLIMS and SERBS ARE CHRISTIAN.

In light of Islamist terorist we need to inform about the majority Albanians that are MUSLIMS. We have to tell the world this is part of islamists extremism that is going on around the world. According to the government Al qaeda is present in Kosovo. They have Camps.Mujahadin helped the KLA during the war. It's a clear prof,but Albanians do everything to hide. Iran supports them too.

re: Srebrenica Massacre - Lewis MacKenzie

ChrisO,

Lewis MacKenzie himself -- after it was discovered -- admitted that he "may have been" paid for lobbying Congress. The nationalist Serb lobby group then confirmed that they did indeed pay him. I am new to wikipedia and don't yet know how to make a reference (citation) nor do I know yet the policy on what constitutes a reliable source. But googling the words "Lewis MacKenzie Newsday Gutman Serb lobby" will bring you to the source material showing that MacKenzie was indeed lobbying but did not reveal that he was being paid until afterward. Therefore, I believe it is entirely legitimate to include that fact in the Srebrenica article for the same reason the Congress felt duped when it found out MacKenzie had been paid but acted as if he was just an objective concerned citizen. The fact that he was being paid is quite relevant and ought to be revealed.

I do not know of a group of Western observers of which he is representative who are merely skeptical of the numbers killed in Srebrenica. Those who want to drastically reduce the numbers of Bosniaks killed, drastically inflate the number of deaths of Serb civilians in the Srebrenica area (I believe it is around 700), or deny the massacre altogether have an agenda. MacKenzie obviously is motivated by an agenda, not just skeptical rational observation as the previous version in the Srebrenica article implied. Fairview360 00:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

ChrisO - you failed to realize...

ChrisO, it is not true that the facts about MacKenzie are sourced to a private website. Private website only contains copy of the ORIGINAL investigative article published by the media. Come on man. THe article was written by "DENNIS BERNSTEIN" and the source is "PACIFIC NEWS SERVICE".

The article is also referenced in this journal: http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/femres.htm (enter search "answers needed", it's located in references).

Fairview, thank you man. Bosniak 01:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi ChrisO

I don't understand what you are trying to say. The article is cited to:

The fact that someone posted it on geocities has nothing to do with the credibility of the article; this is original article with full copyright notice. It's over 13 years old and was published when internet was only barely beginning to be used.

What's the problem? Is the truth problem again? I would not be surprised if you banned me and all your opponents from wikipedia. Now, I see, we are not even allowed to use this article as a source, but our opponents are allowed to use Lewis Mackanzie's genocide denials as a source ?

Don't you see double standard here? Bosniak 04:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Reliable Source Check

I was wondering if you could aide me. There are two conflicting sources on the religion of Oscar Niemeyer. One is an interview in which he states he is from a Catholic family, another is the following website which says he's "Jewish." Here: It is the only website to purport this. Attempts have been made to contact the website but the website does not respond. Is there any way to establish this source as "unreliable" (given its seemingly self-published hmtl-ish nature) so that it cannot be used as a source on wikipedia? Thank you so much for any help. 70.146.75.119 06:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

UN Qana map

This was left on the userpage for my IP address (82.29.227.171). I was using your map to illustrate the distance between Qana and Zibqin- the area which the IDF have video of rockets being launched. UN problem or problem with copy process? Link to the original seems dead so cant confirm:

Please note that the grid references on this map appear to be incorrect. See: http://the-lebanon.com/lebanon_country/map/lebanon_rel_2002.jpg and Google Earth for clarification. If this is a UN map, no wonder they are incapable of policing the area, their maps are wrong! For instance, Tyre is at: 33˚ 16' 16.10"N 35˚ 13' 06.93E. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.89.8 (talk • contribs)

RandomGalen 12:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Block 208.3.69.196

Hi chrisO. I think you should block this ip 208.3.69.196 permanently because of 3RR and other vandalism. Noah30

Lier.Profe it.

Your Serbian nationalist I will prove that you are a vandal:

1: 13:21, 10 August 2006 208.3.69.196 2: 13:20, 10 August 2006 208.3.69.196 3: 13:15, 10 August 2006 208.3.69.196 4: 20:08, 9 August 2006 208.3.69.196

ChrisO, block him now when you have the evidence. 208.3.69.196 have also insulted me earlier.

Assistance needed

ChrisO,

Would you kindly remind Osli73 that making a fundamental change to an article and trying to slip it by as a minor edit is not OK. He deleted the document link to the list of names of people killed or missing from Srebrenica and presented it as a minor edit to the Srebrenica Massacre article.

Also, could you review what I am doing at the Srebrenica massacre article and please tell me if I have transgressed either wikipedian rules or etiquette. I am new to wikipedia and am just learning how things work.

Thank youFairview360 19:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Republic of Ragusa

I report that Kubura has started an edit war in the article Republic of Ragusa, deleting all the old historic names into the modern Croatian names. The question of the names was already discussed, but Kubura had several times ignored it, changin the article to his own personal taste. Kubura was several times warned also in Italian Misplaced Pages, still for ultra nationalistic, pro Croatian edits. I consider this user a vandal. I ask for an intervention to stop the edit war. Thank you.--Giovanni Giove 12:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Iraq Maps

Hi Chris, you removed a map from the Haditha article as blurry, you do know it is a high resolution JPG? You should click on the thumbnail for a closer look. thanks --Paul E. Ester 13:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I did click on it, and it's still blurry! I'm sorry, but it's just not a good quality map. -- ChrisO 14:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Barbara Schwarz

The reason you never saw the template Biography protection is because just created it. Free free to help out. Fred Bauder 16:08, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Stop Deleting relevant Information

Is is very relevent and must be mentioned in the article that iSrael is breaching the rules of war and international law and using illegal weapons. Stop deleting it. 69.196.164.190