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Please avoid unusual formatting. This is both my user page and my talk page. To find out more about me and what I do, click on the icons in the amazingly cool navigation bar above. Click here to leave a new message. Disclosure of political bias: I took the political compass questionnaire on 15 July 2006 and the result was economic left/right: minus 8.13, social libertarian/authoritarian: minus 8.26 Please contact me by email if you are blocked from editing: minorityreport@bluebottle.com

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Cows

Do you like cows? --Naelphin 03:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipediatrix

Tony, HELP! I do not know if you notice or not but Wikipediatrix has a very short fuse and seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way. We have articles on here that she has continually gotten involved in. When we have asked her to help us she became very confrontational and even claimed we were editing under different names. It got to the point that other editors were calling her down for her antics. I surely hope that this is not a regular problem that everyone has to deal with in thier dealings with her? She has tagged yet the same article on David L Cook for "cites" We went in and gave what we had. Such as a quote from Bob Hope. That comment was made at a banquet full of comedians and not recorded by television or radio. We have tried to explain these things and she still comes right back and tags everything again. I do not know if this is all she has to do all day but it certainly is very hard to deal with someone who has this kind of agenda. We are not Wiki savy and do not claim to be. We have gone in when we check these things to see if everything is done right and if not we try to fix them. I do not know how to cite the things she is talking about. Most of the things that are said between celebrities or at functions are not things that are citable in our opinion. Could you please help us? We need to get this woman off of our backs! She is very nasty. Thanks Daylon Ware IAMAS Corporation 9:14, 2006,25,07 (UTC)

She's doing a good job. Please see Verifiability and Reliable sources. If there is no reliable source for Bob Hope's opinion on David L. Cook, then we can't use it. --Tony Sidaway 13:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Ready to archive. --Tony Sidaway 21:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Hagiographer

I have had problems with this user before. Thanks fort getting him to stop altering my user page in unpleasant ways. he has here altered my signature to that of another user, User:Pura Paja, please can you discourage him from doing so, SqueakBox 03:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Ready to archive. --Tony Sidaway 21:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Alienus

This arbitration case has closed and the final decision is published at the link above.

Sam Korn 15:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Ready to archive. --Tony Sidaway 21:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Never mind the sollogs

Hi. As you had a clear opinion on its predecessor, I thought you might also have one on this. (Though of course you're away right now....) -- Hoary 04:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom

Sorry for your being pulled into this, but you're named as an involved party. It'shere. rootology (T) 00:14, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Ready to archive. --Tony Sidaway 21:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Clerk duties call.

You may want to decide to move this or at minimum separate it from Ed's statement. JoshuaZ 02:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Ready to archive. --Tony Sidaway 21:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

SqueakBox has to be blocked for, at least a month

Excuse me, Tony but I believe Squeak Box has to blocked for a month. Instead of respecting his one month ban he created User:Skanking to go on editing. It has been demonstrated. Everything is explained in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#User:SqueakBox_2. If you're not going to enforce the block, at least explain me why not. Thank you. Hagiographer 07:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Ready to archive. --Tony Sidaway 21:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

SqueakBox's not respecting his ban

User:SqueakBox hasn't respected his ban after being blocked. The anonymous user 63.245.13.229 has edited SqueakBox's user page to restore the insult by which you blocked him (). SqueakBox has admitted previously that that IP was him (). By the way, the user page still has the insult against me. I believed personal attacks are not allowed in the Misplaced Pages so I think it should be removed. I can't do it myself because User:Guettarda has protected the page. I suppose he didn't realize what was really going on.

In regard to my block and all that, I find it reasonable but, in fact, I'm not very interested in the article. Simply, I didn't understand, and I don't understand, what was the purpose of the absurd redirects so I removed them. In my humble opinion, redirects are used when two titles are valid for the same article. In other cases, redirects are pure vandalism: they don't allow anybody to edit or read an article. As far as I know, the Misplaced Pages prides on its effectiveness at fighting vandalism. If you analyze it, I've only edited a Zapatero related article once, when I removed from the main article the information I thought to be obsolete. All the other times, and they have been only three, I've simply removed the redirects. That is, as far as I know I've removed vandalism. And for that, from my point of view, you've blocked me from editing the articles. I'm not very interested in editing them, only that I find it kind of absurd. Vandalism is a serious threat to the Misplaced Pages, and I'm blocked from editing an article from which I've removed vandalism (in my view). So, I would like you to explain to me (or to tell me where I can find an explanation) if the use of redirects to prevent other users from editing or reading specific articles is vandalism or not. And if it is, why it's been allowed for so long.

If you think it's vandalism, in my opinion it's pretty clear it is, I think it should be clearly stated as such in the articles where it should be made clear that anybody redirecting the articles without, at least, a previous consensus will be treated as a vandal.

Thank you for reading this long message, :-) Hagiographer 06:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Ready to archive. --Tony Sidaway 21:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Wiarthurhu, redux

Hi Tony, thought I'd alert you to a new development in the case of this banned user who is now asking for a lifting of the ban under certain conditions. As you took place in the original discussion leading to the ban I thought I should contact you directly about this new discussion. Thanks, Gwernol 21:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ready to archive. --Tony Sidaway 21:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Gibraltarian

Hi Tony Sideway, would it be possible to semiprotect User:Ecemaml and User Talk:Ecemaml pages? Gibraltarian is back as you are surely aware... Thanks, Asterion 14:21, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Ready to archive. --Tony Sidaway 21:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Aggressive user

In the course of a challenging edit war around the Waldorf education article, one new Misplaced Pages user (User:Pete K) is employing rather offensive personal attacks on the talk page. There seem to be no neutral participants who can suggest an appropriate tone for the discussion; more precisely, one has, and has been ignored. Can you help? See Talk:Waldorf education.

The user also has a tendency to editorialize in the article; the distinction between describing his personal opinions or experiences, on the one hand, and verifiable information, on the other, seems to be unclear to him. The article needs clean-up, and some useful results are coming out of the discussion, but I for one am often uncomfortable with the tone and style.

Hoping you can help in some way! Hgilbert 18:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Insults

I inform you administrator about insults .--PIO 17:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Ready to archive. --Tony Sidaway 21:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Other Guy

Sorry, i'm not him, but I could introduce if you'd like. We talked once here on Misplaced Pages and i'm sure we've probably met each other before this at one meeting or another. Vice President In Charge Of Office Supplies 00:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Ready to archive. --Tony Sidaway 21:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Award

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		This award is for your efforts to make Misplaced Pages a better place. Martial Law

This award is also for the Arbitration Committee as well. This is one Wikipedian who is thanking you for doing a often thankless, often resented job. Martial Law 01:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Clerks/Procedures

Thanks Tony, but I beat you to the punch. I found that page on my own. I just couldn't find any clerk duties to fulfill because most cases lacked the required number of votes. (Especially the one where you tallied the proposals, but where a motion to close is non-existent). If you come across any case that needs opening or closing, please let me know instead if doing it yourself, so I can have a go at it. - Mgm| 21:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll certainly be making sure all the new clerks get plenty of chances to open and close cases. Perhaps we should also start being pro-active in formatting and summarising evidence, helping on workshop pages, and so on. We've been very short-handed for most of the summer, just me opening and closing cases, mostly, but hopefully that drought period is over. --Tony Sidaway 21:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

More Alienus socks

88.198.213.138 I believe is a new Alienus sockpuppet. It has been editing the articles silent protagonist and crony capitalism. In addition, 81.169.180.248, another Alienus sockpuppet has been editing Objectivism (Ayn Rand) in addition to other articles. Would it be possible to semi-protect the articles that these IP's edit? Thanks. LaszloWalrus 03:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. LaszloWalrus 22:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Alienus is continuing to use anon socks, on articles like pseudoreligion and crony capitalism. Is there a way to have these IP's blocked or these articles protected from anon users, or to have Alienus's ban extended beyond a year? LaszloWalrus 15:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Each time he socks like this, his one-year ban is reset. --Tony Sidaway 15:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. LaszloWalrus 03:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Willothewisp

I came over here a while ago and got a load of spoken articles in stupid voices deleted that had been created by User:Willothewisp. If you like that readout of your user page then that's fine, but can you block him to stop him messing around any longer? Judging by the previous sounds he's contributed, I'm sure you weren't intended to like it, and I think it's just going to carry on with doing articles and making Misplaced Pages look stupid. Archer7 08:54, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

He hasn't done anything in two months. I think he was just a prankster. The audio of my talk page was, to my mind, obviously intended as a bit of good natured leg-pulling. --Tony Sidaway 14:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kilt wearers

Mate I want to know why you think it is an incredibly ridiculous category. We have cateogries on class ring wearers and wikipedians by parenthood. I wonder why you feel the pinch about this one. Unitedroad 15:30, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Those are ridiculous categories, too. What possible relevance can this vomit-inducing nonsense have to the encyclopedia? --Tony Sidaway 15:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ericsaindon2/Proposed decision

The lead section says 7 is a majority, the motion to close says it's 6. Where did the discreprency come from? - Mgm| 20:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

A bit of ad hocery. Clearly the arbitrators involve are happy that 6-0 is adequate. --Tony Sidaway 20:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

A Poet's Life

I reversed you because you, again, closed the AfD early, even after a DRV showed some issue with your early close. Stop doing it, and stop referring to a useless essay. --badlydrawnjeff talk 12:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Seems to work for me. --Tony Sidaway 19:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Edit ban on all highway articles?

Could you please clarify your statement: "I hereby ban all of those involved from editing or moving those articles until we have all agreed on a policy" at AN/I? Some of us have quietly been making constructive edits while this whole debate is taking place. We're not doing moves, we're not edit warring, we're not doing anything that is controversial in any way. We would like to be able to continue making valid contributions to highway articles. Your statement was rather all-inclusive, and its inclusiveness has been questioned. We just want to be sure we're not going to be violating any such ruling. Homefryes 14:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I misspoke. I meant "from moving." --Tony Sidaway 17:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. — Homefryes •_Do 14:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Ugly signatures

Hi Tony. Quite how ugly does a signature have to be to do you think to justify asking the user to change it? I'm reluctant to push this user too much as we already have a disagreement and he'll think I'm picking on him. Nonetheless I find this signature excessive and I particularly dislike that it contains no mention of the user's actual user name:

(horrible mess removed)

What do you think? --kingboyk 17:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

It's vile. Ask him to change it. --Tony Sidaway 17:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Would you ask him? I've had enough flame and hellfire on my talk page lately, and he doesn't know you... I think your flameproof pants are stronger than mine too :) --kingboyk 17:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Hipcrime (Usenet)

The problem we are facing here is that our one person (and I am fairly convinced that is what it is) seems very capable of spoofing his IP or doing whatever else he needs to do to move around usernames/IPs. A block, then, is only marginally useful, and a ban from editing the article could only be enforceable until he finds another IP address... I think the old watchlist is as good a solution as anything else. (ESkog) 05:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Possibly. Or just bung it on semiprotection. I won't do that myself because I've edited it. --Tony Sidaway 06:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Hiya!

Hey, I just noticed your name on a tweak of that PZ Myers page. So this is where you've gotten to, deep in the bowels of Misplaced Pages.

Like a tapeworm. :) --Tony Sidaway 19:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

You know what

Hi,

Screw bureaucracy, sure, but give the issue a day or two, eh? Certainly, more than five hours. Also, at least let somebody who hasn't commented close the thing. Doc and I made peace: why'd you have to go and make my day less calm? :( Best wishes, Xoloz 19:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Xoloz, I've no desire to breach our peace. Perhaps you are right here. Perhaps, as an involved party, Tony should have left it to another to close. If speedy closing was appropriate, somone else would have done it. However, equally, as the opener of the discussion, perhaps you should not have been the one to reopen it. Perhaps, if it needed re-opening, someone else should have done that? :) Just a thought, --Doc 20:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhhhhhhaps... but, in my defense, one strong argument in favor of my capacity to reopen is that I still have no position (formal or otherwise) on this little page. In opening, I did abstain, you know. (As an aside, Doc, if you admit to a "frustration with process" generally, trying to "out-process" a wonk lawyer like me is probably not good for your health!) Also, reopening needs to happen quickly; or else, after a possible DRV, we risking having to "relist" it, which just about nobody really wants, do we now? Xoloz 20:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

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