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Seljuqs and Turkish language
The information given in the Azerbaijani people article (based on the US Library of Congress) contradics the information found in the Encyclopaedia Iranica (and Encyclopaedia of Islam). According to the US Library of Congress, the Seljuqs were responsible for the Turkification of Anatolia and the Caucasus. This is rejected by the Iranica. Based on the fact that the Seljuqs were Persian-speaking and considered themselvs "inheritors and descendants of the Old Iranian Shahs" ("... here one might bear in mind that non-Persian dynasties such as the Ghaznavids, Saljuqs and Ilkhanids were rapidly to adopt the Persian language and have their origins traced back to the ancient kings of Persia rather than to Turkish heroes or Muslim saints ..." "Shahrbanu" by M.A. Amir-Moezzi in Encyclopaedia Iranica), Iranica states that:
"... The transmission of Persian culture to Anatolia begun with the foundation of the Saljuq state in the 12th century and gained speed after the Mongol invasion of Persia in the 13th century. Many Persian scholars, writers, and poets fled to the empire of the Saljuqs of Rum, following the Mongol onslaught on the Iranian lands. These highly educated men played an important role in the revival of Persian culture and literature, which had begun already at the beginning of the 13th century. Subsequently, many works in Persian, dealing with history, literature, philosophy and Sufism, were produced in Anatolia in the 13th and 14th centuries. As a result, Persian became the language of instruction at several madrasas, and Persian words were often used for place-names, personal names, and occupational activities, as well as in certain religious, legal, and official records. As a result of those developments, in the 13th century, Anatolia was thus intensively influenced by Persian culture. Intellectual life developed very effectively in the cities, where scholars copied or created religious works. Scholars of Persian origin who had emigrated to Anatolia continued their activities in the cities of their new home (Aya Sofya, no. 3605), and many of them stayed in contact with their native lands. Students of the scholars active in Anatolia generally consisted of youngsters from princely families and palace officials During the period of the Anatolian beyliks, following the COLLAPSE of the Saljuq State in the 14th century, the Turkish language gained gradually in importance, and consequently the influence of Persian culture and language weakened in Anatolia to a certain degree. ..." "Persian Manuscripts in Ottoman and Modern Turkish lLibraries" by O.Özgündenli in Encyclopaedia Iranica
So, as opposed to the information in the article, the FALL of the Seljuq dynasty marked the Turkification of Anatolia and the improved the role of Turkish (because, unlike the Seljuq Sultans, the Turcoman "beyliqs" spoke Oghuz instead of Persian).
Besides that, the Britannica-source attached to that information (#21) does not support this claim at all. Britannica actually supports the view of the Iranica:
"... Persian cultural autonomy flourished in the Seljuq empire. Because the Turkish Seljuqs had no Islamic tradition or strong literary heritage of their own, they adopted the cultural language of their Persian instructors in Islam. Literary Persian thus spread to the whole of Iran, and the Arabic language disappeared in that country except in works of religious scholarship. ..."
Tājik 01:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Give descriptions!
when you post something in the urgnet issues section or other related sections, please point out what is wrong with the article. because what may seem wrong to someone may not seem wrong to some one else and this causes confusion. for example, there are some articles with "POV problems" that i dont even know what is POV about them...because they seem fine to me. Khosrow II 18:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, we tried that, but an administrator deleted it, we still should describe the problem but better not mention any names. --Spahbod ☼ 02:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Also, please remove any article no longer under attack from the temporary issues list. --Spahbod ☼ 03:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- "Make sure the article is protected on the correct version" is not an appropriate description, the purpose of the notice board is to notify people about an article in need of attention, not to make a judgment call on the content. Baba bahaneh nadid dast bazihaa ke bian behemon ang bezanan baz. ps. I made some changes to the page's format, please keep it neat and simple, one section is enough for urgent notices no matter what they are. Yadateon basheh yek seri bikar injaa doust darand bara Iraniha moshkel ijaad konand, siasat be kharj bedid vaa bahaneh alaki dasteshon nadid. --Mardavich 19:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Problem
Now i will not name any names or anything, because i know that is against the rules, but i will say that i am being unfairly persecuted because i am trying to up hold wikipedia's standards regarding the scytho-iranian theory. I have been threatened with getting permanently blocked. Ali, Arash, and Tajik know what the situation is. Khosrow II 03:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Being threatened by an user that is not an admin does not mean anything. Those warning signs which some users may have sent to your talk page is free for all to use, if you are sure about your sources just send back the warning sign to the user which sent you it. --Spahbod ☼ 12:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Your thoughts on my archiving of this talk page?
It was getting really long and a lot of the debates were getting old, so I archived it. What do you think? I forgot to ask lol. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 07:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Today's featured article
First of all, congrats to all who have contributed to the Azerbaijani people article which is today's featured article.
A few days ago, I also nominated Iranian peoples for the "today's featured article": Misplaced Pages:Today's_featured_article/requests#Iranic_peoples
Please feel free to comment on it or to suggest a certain date for it.
Tājik 01:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- werent these articles already featured articles? im confused.Khosrow II 02:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- "Today's featured articles" are featured articles that are shown on Misplaced Pages's main page. Today, for example, Misplaced Pages's main page article is Azerbaijani people. Tājik 08:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Doustan
Agar mitonid tamami maghalat daneshmandan-e "List of Iranian scientists" rou be deghat ziraeh nazar dashteh baashid, yek shakhsi bikar hast ke be toreh systamtic baa userhaa vaa IPhaa mokhtalef mireh in maghlaat vaa meliat va ghomiat in afraad rou taghir mide. --Mardavich 00:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Articles Up for Deletion
Pan-Farsism - discussion page:
Scytho-Iranian theory - discussion page:
Khosrow II 17:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Pay attention please
A pan-turkist user is trying to make controversy in: Ossetic and Scythian
thanks
- I am watching those article, but school has started and I wont be here during the day to help you much.Khosrow II 02:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Please take a look, important matter with regards to abuse of Scythians, Alans, Ossetians..
Thanks for standing up for the truth here: ]
Apparantely this user does not desist and now claims Ossetic is not an Indo-European language! Please see Ossetic and its talk page.
That is why I have complained against this user and ask you if you have time to also complain:
] ] (one up). --Ali doostzadeh 01:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Also look at for RV's done by pan-turkists on Scythians, Alans, and Ossetic people. --Ali doostzadeh 16:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
News about Iran
British troops are mobilizing on the Iranian border http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060830&articleId=3097