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CVG Closing Speculation - Nonsense

• Someone mentioned that the lack of new two class "Songisized" routes out of Cincinnati was some kind of indication or harbinger that Delta was going to close the CVG hub. This I can confidently say is nonsense. The reason for this quite frankly is that Delta pretty much controls the entire Cincinnati market, and does not feel the need to deploy this service there immediately because it has no competition. In Atlanta, Salt Lake City, and New York, Delta is plagued by serious competition from Jet Blue, Southwest, and AirTran, and thus must put its most competitive product forth in those markets to retain loyalty, revenue premiums, and marketshare. Delta faces no such competition in Cincinnati, and for the most part, not alot of competition in midwest markets that connect through Cincinnati. Don't worry though - CVG will eventually get the premium 1700+ mile "Songisized" service when Delta rolls out more complimentary aircraft. Right now, the other markets in jeopardy need all the "Songisized" planes they can get.
• By the way, post-bankruptcy and post-rightsizing, Cincinnati remains the most profitable hub.

Delta logo

• The current logo on the article is now outdated. Delta has reverted to the widget logo with the angular base. Andros 1337 02:08, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC
  • Still, the Delta logo needs replacement, but I think the three airplane pictures is enough. We do not need any more. Andros 1337 04:09, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

UPDATE

• Delta reverted back to the traditional widget logo from the widget with the angular bases over a year ago. 23 Feb 2006

New image

As you may have noticed, have replaced the old image with a different image. The old image was flawed stating it was a 767-400ER, while it was really a 767-300ER. It also stated that the image was N825MH, while it was really N131DN. Since wikipedia has many 767-300 images, I thought it would be better to have a 767-400. Andros 1337 22:57, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Newark

Doesn't Delta operate some international flights out of Newark? I think they do, but I could be wrong.

 Delta Air Lines Flight DL8579 on an Airbus A340 (jet) in coach class
       (operated by Air France as Flight AF19)

The above is an example of a Delta flight that is operated by Air France. The industry calls this a "code share". That's the only kind of delta international flights I can find out of EWR, but I only looked at LON and PAR.

To clarify my statement, "operated by Air France" means that you'll buy a Delta ticket, go to a Delta terminal and then get on an Air France plane. -Harmil 28 June 2005 18:31 (UTC)

Not necessarily ... usually you go to the terminal of the operating airline. At Newark, DL and AF are both in Terminal B, so it's one and the same. Josh59x 20:32, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

SkyMiles Article

SkyMiles should be merged into Delta Air Lines. It isn't noteworthy enought to merit its own article. The only reason AAdvantage has its own is because it was the first. Likewise Aeroplan and Asia Miles have their own due to the extension of those programs beyond simple frequent flyer programs. Dbinder 13:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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Size of focus cities

Delta's hubs are listed in order of size, starting with the largest hub. Could we arrange the focus cities in order of size as well? I do not know in what order they go.

• Good idea. I am not absolutely certain, but I believe they go: BOS, LAX, MCO, LGA. LAX used to be number 1 but with the scaling back of Asia ops, I think BOS has taken over -- especially with the addition of a huge new terminal there, and the focus on connection carriers to Canada and other northeast cities. Trevormartin227 19:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Following up here. I have found the following links to specific airline passenger counts at Delta's focus cities (with the exception of BOS). Since Delta is beginning to consider BOS a hub, I will put it first in the order unless someone has information that I don't. MCO has 5,211,177 DL pax yearly; LGA has 4,738,034 DL pax yearly ; and LAX has 4,618,818 DL pax yearly . These are 2005 numbers. Guess I was off on my guess in my comment above...the actual order would be BOS, MCO, LGA, LAX. I will make these changes to the infobox.Trevormartin227 13:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Is there anywhere that Delta specifically spells out which cities are focus cities, or have we just reached a consensus that BOS, MCO, LAX, and LGA are the only focus cities? What statistic specifically cuts off FLL and DCA, because these are very large DL cities that serve many point to point routes outside of the hubs and top four focus cities (which I thought was the definition of "focus city")? How do you find it appropriate to say that FLL is a "non-focus city"?

Hubs

According to its own in-flight magazine (SKY), which contains a route map, Boston is considered a Delta hub. Delta operates many domestic-to-international connections through Boston, and is ramping up these operations even more as DL shifts to focus more on international routes. Trevormartin227 22:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Fleet infobox changes

I think that the new "routes" addition still looks messy. Instead of listing cities that these aircraft fly to, I think it would be more appropriate just to describe the routes (as in, "long-haul" "high-density" etc, rather than the routings themselves). These planes get changed around a lot, and, for example, I flew a 767-400ER to LAS from ATL and don't see that on there, I'm sure there are a hundred other examples. Better just to have general description. Trevormartin227 13:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

The AA article has a similar feature, and thought that it would be appropriate. Andros 1337 15:11, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Proposed simplified (and updated) Fleet Chart

This is the Delta Airlines Fleet (as of September 30, 2005) via the Delta website

Any comments?

Oppose. The AA article mentions the routes that the aircraft serve. I would prefer to remove the orders/options section instead. BTW, as a convention, we do NOT include regional jets. Andros 1337 22:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

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I was under the impression that we wanted to standardize the fleet information for all airlines. This would include (at least) orders, but not include information like engines, whether they have AV, ETOPS, etc. In addition, the chart is so wide, that the orders in the fleet column is wrapped to a new line and looks awkward.

Would you be open to removing the engine, cargo, etops and av columns? Maybe we can standardize on the follow columns:

Done. Hope you like it. Andros 1337 17:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

As for the CRJ, Delta has two pages, one that lists CRJ as thier own aircraft and another that lists them as part of Delta Connection. I guess you could assume that Delta does not operate CRJ themselves.

---mnw2000

• Nice work. Trevormartin227 18:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Fleet Updates

Please include the source of the recent fleet updates in a line before the fleet chart.

--mnw2000

Service to Africa

North American Airlines, in fact, does offer scheduled service to Africa. The claim made here that Delta will be the only US airline to offer scheduled service to Africa is false.

North American Airlines is an all-charter airline. Delta is the only US airline to offer regularly-scheduled service to Africa. The claim remains true and should remain in the article. Trevormartin227 12:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Upon further research, I stand corrected. Trevormartin227 12:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Delta Air Lines Logo.svg

Could anyone update that image? The creator of the image likely did not know that Delta's logo has changed. Andros 1337 01:28, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• The sharp widget displayed is the current logo. The "soft" widget introduced a few years ago was discarded and the classic widget was brought back.--Bravenav 04:31, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Delta/Northwest?

I'm hearing a couple of rumors from insiders that Delta Air Lines could soon merge with Northwest Airlines. If the merger happens, it will work since Delta doesn't really have an Asia network, Boeing 747s, or a hub outside of the US while NWA will have a New York hub, routes to Africa, and routes to South America. Both are in bankruptcy and combined forces would lead to a very powerful US airline.

and create a super-bankrupt airline. The fleets are a mismatch, and Delta's CEO has stated that they plan to exit bankruptcy as a standalone airline. Andros 1337 00:41, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• The Delta/NWA merger idea was voiced by Norman Mineta in response to the USAir buyout by America West. While Mineta was DOT secretary, he is hardly an airline insider. Both Delta and Northwest have denounced any such rumors, and most airlines consultants reject the notion as a terrible idea. In addition to the fleet mismatch, Northwest is very unionized, while Delta is union-free (except the pilots).--Bravenav 04:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

List of Delta Air Lines Routes

You folks might be interested in this thing's AFD. It seems to duplicate the function of Delta Air Lines destinations. Kappa 00:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)