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see mena suvari tuleb sealt kiiresti ära koristada. ja üealegi on seal kogu valik täiesti vale. aga pole hullu, kyll ma teen uue

I'm sorry, my estonian is not that good, but since this is the english wikipedia, i'd hope you could please translate your comment into english, thank you. Epf 20:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Mena Suvari

I have removed the photograph of Mena Suvari from this page. I have done so because this article is about Estonians - not people of Estonian ancestry. The page is entitled Estonians, not "People with some Estonian background". I can tell you, that as an Estonian, I view her as an American (which she most definitely is). If you wish to place her picture on a page, place it on a page of List of Estonian Americans or Estonian-American. This article is not about "descent" as you claim, but is entitled Estonians, not "People who have some tentative "ethnic" connection twice removed from Estonia". This page deals with Estonian nationals and emigrés, and Suvari is neither. She doesn't belong on this page any more than her picture should be on the main page for Greeks. There are far better examples of actual Estonians to represent Estonians than a foreigner of rather tentative connections to the country.

Just as an aside, you are Canadian, correct? Would you place the photograph of some popular Quebec celebrity of half Swedish, half Quebecoise on the page of French people? ExRat 08:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

This page is not about simply Estonian nationals, it is about ethnic Estonians, that is those who identify with the Estonian ethnic group (based on common culture, language and common descent). When you are of significant Estoninan ancestry/descent/ethnic origin, you alrady have ethnic traits (biological, psycho-behavioural, linguistic, religious, cultural, etc.) associated with other ethnic Estonians. She is an American, but that is based on nationality, not ethnicity, since there is really no unified "American" ethnic group. Just because you are born or live in a certain nation, does not mean your own familial culture and descent is somehow negated or you automaticcaly become part of another ethnic group. This article deals with ethnic Estonians in Estonia and those outside Estonia as well as their descendants who still reatin significant Estonian heritage or descent. Her father was an ethnic Estonian from Estonia and therfore she is half-Estonian, and due to the very recent and significant heritage of such, clearly retains many ethnic elements. Of course you want alot of indigenous ethnic Estonians from or living in Estonia represented since they maintain all the ethno-cultural traits, but this doesn't mean you exclude those of Estonian heritage outside of Estonia.

And, I am a Canadian national, but few people here identify as Canadian ethnically or in terms of actual ethnic origin since we're one of, if not the, most diverse and multicultural societies on the planet, and still have various indigenous/abroginal Canadian ethnic groups which retain their identities across the country. Canada rightly values diversity and multi-culturalism and thats perhaps what is most unifying about our country. Ethnically, I consider myself of British and Italian descent as you can see on my user page. I have many ethnic traits (especially from the Italian side) I don't share for example with French-Canadians (French-Canadian Quebecois included), Portuguese-Canadians, Aboriginal Canadians, Chinese-Canadians, "African"-Canadians etc. Epf 04:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


Mena Suvari is less Estonian than Winston Churchill was American. Winston Churchill's mother was an American, and he could speak the language of both of his parents. There is no evidence of Mena Suvari's command of Estonian and Greek languages. Cheers, --3 Löwi 09:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Umm, his mother was an American national, but she wasn't simply "American" and I believe was mainly Dutch and British descent. In any case, she is half-Estonian and I don't believe she can speak Estonian fluently, but so what, she still probably knows many phrases most non-Esontinans dont know and probably has other traditional/familial, cultural, behavioural, religous and/or genotypic/phenotypic traits assoicated with ethnic Estonians (especially since shes first generation, her father an ethnic Estonian emigrant from Estonia). Epf 04:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

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