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" in matters related to Biblical issues"

Originally the intro said "pro-Israel church, parachurch organization, ministry, or individual in America can speak and act with one voice in support of Israel in matters related to Biblical issues".

I've deleted the latter phrase, because the wording suggests to me that the support is restricted to "Biblical issues": the scope of what is meant by "Biblical issues" seems to be to me very unclear, and best worded differently.

I also get the impression that the sort of support the organization gives to Israel is fairly unreserved, so the qualifier seems unnecessary. --Saforrest 01:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

NPOV Tag

An article about an organization this controversial needs to address those controversies. The Huffington Post link is a start. - Richfife 01:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree about the need for some type of "Controversies" section provided it is balanced. I am beginning a thesis on Christian Zionism and CUFI, so I will try to address this need by the end of the year. At the same time, I do not feel the article's neutrality is in question. As far as I can tell, the article (now) sticks to factual information and is largely void of bias. I am removing the "dispute" tag. If this is out of line, please comment back. TX Ciclista (talk) 17:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Added Internal Links

I have added Internal Links to this article. As a Christian I fully support Israel. Kathleen.wright5 16:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

No one cares about what country you support. Save that crap for your talk page.
It is contrary to Misplaced Pages style to link extremely generic and common words like "leaders", "interpretation", "moral", "tribute", "understanding", "respect", and "beliefs". --Saforrest 00:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

This article is highly subjective and certainly not critical of CUFI. It certainly hardly merits to be under INTERFAITH

Ever since its inception I've watched this page. While initially it simply read like a brief PR bit of just another Christian Zionist eschatological group, it slowly but surely becomes a bit more up to standard. Today (April 7, 2008) AP is running the following story (copy available at http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=117305), which clearly indicates what CUFI and Hagee are all about: "US evangelist gives $6 million to Israel US Evangelist Pledges $6 Million for Israeli Causes, Says Israel Should Control All JerusalemAmerican evangelist John Hagee announced donations of $6 million to Israeli causes on Sunday and said that Israel must remain in control of all of Jerusalem. Hagee, a Christian Zionist who has been in the spotlight lately for endorsing presidential candidate John McCain and criticizing the Catholic Church, brought hundreds of backers on a solidarity trip to Israel. Hagee and his group, Christians United for Israel, joined keynote speaker Benjamin Netanyahu, the leader of Israel's hard-line opposition Likud Party, at a rally in support of Jerusalem remaining united and under Jewish control. "Turning part or all of Jerusalem over to the Palestinians would be tantamount to turning it over to the Taliban," Hagee told an audience filled with Americans who waved Israeli flags and cheered. Palestinians claim the eastern part of the city, captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war, as the capital of their future state. Hagee said his group was giving $6 million to 16 Israeli causes. Recipients include the Magen David Adom rescue service and a conference center in the West Bank Jewish settlement of Ariel. The fate of Jewish settlements like Ariel is at the heart of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The support of evangelicals for Israel's continued control of the West Bank endears them to Israeli hard-liners but troubles more dovish activists. McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, distanced himself last month from Hagee following an uproar over the San Antonio megachurch leader's comments on Catholicism. Hagee has called the Roman Catholic Church "the great whore" and a "false cult system." He has also suggested that the Catholic church helped shape Adolf Hitler's anti-Semitism. Hagee has vehemently denied he is anti-Catholic and said his remarks have been mischaracterized."

CUFI is an operation involving Jews and Christians and, as such, is interfaith. It may not be the type of interfaith organization one would wish to see, but it is one nonetheless. Also, your title "certainly not critical of CUFI" suggests this article should not be NPOV. Is this your intention or did I misunderstand? I agree that it should not be subjective, but I disagree that it should be critical...TX Ciclista (talk) 19:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid that you are hardly objective. CUFI is simply not apolitical and its political stance should be clearly and objectively outlined not whitewashed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hadan (talk • contribs) 08:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Addition

In "Foundation," changed "started" to "revived" and added comment about David Lewis.

Addition based on e-mail from Roy Casanova at CUFI. E-mail was prompted by a reference to "Christians United for Israel" in a book published in 1996. I have forgotten which book but will post back when I find it. E-mail text:

"Dear , You are correct. There was a similar group of the same name started in further back than 1992. Pastor Hagee conferred with Pastor David Lewis who held the original name. Pastor Lewis did not further his efforts using the name Christians United For Israel and allowed Pastor Hagee to take the name and supports the current CUFI. Thank you for your interest in Christians United For Israel.
"Blessings, Roy Casanova, Staff Assistant, Christians United For Israel, P.O. Box 1307, San Antonio, Texas 78295"

TX Ciclista (talk) 19:22, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleted recent "criticisms" addition

I deleted the following (after correcting the citation markup):

:John Hagee has also made controversial comments regarding Hilter's prosecution of Jews during World War II saying that it was predicted in the Christian Old Testament. The New York Times described the controversy:

"Mr. Hagee quoted from the Old Testament Book of Jeremiah, Mr. Hagee said in his sermon, according to the Huffington Post, 'And they the hunters should hunt them,' arguing this referred to 'the Jews.' He went on to read from the same passage, 'From every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.' 'If that doesn’t describe what Hitler did in the Holocaust, you can’t see that,' Mr. Hagee said."

I deleted because it was a direct criticism of Hagee, not CUFI. Even though Hagee is the founder, it is important that criticisms remain in the correct "venue." This may very well be a belief of CUFI, but until it is explicitly stated (i.e. Hagee preaching this at a CUFI event) it should not be included. Hagee is suspiciously careful to avoid comments like this in relation to CUFI. TX Ciclista (talk) 18:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with this. John Hagee's statements are fully covered here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/John_Hagee#Antisemitism

--John Bahrain (talk) 19:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes we must have a completely uncritical article of an organization that openly supports land theft and collective punishment. Gotta love Misplaced Pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.167.103 (talk) 17:02, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Support for fellow Christians in East Jerusalem, Betlehem and the West Bank

The article is missing out on information how "Christians for Israel" are viewing fellow Christians (Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic etc) living in the area since the time of Jesus. In fact, they represent the oldest congregations in Christianity. It would be appreciated with some more information on this issue, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibnrustah (talk • contribs) 19:59, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

My guess is that like most Christian Zionists in America they simply ignore the issue, so I suspect you will have a hard time finding a lot of info on their viewpoints regarding that besides them complaining of Muslims persecuting Christians there and completely leaving Israel's discrimination against them out of the analysis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.167.103 (talk) 17:04, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

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