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What is going on here? The page I had to twice create was deleted. How does one communicate with these wildly deletive administrators? How do you know I do not have permission to use the text? Did you contact me? No. You just went ahead and deleted hours worth of work. I am no lonegr interested in Misplaced Pages. Hours of work deleted out of pure ignorance! Shame on you. Show yourself!

Sorry, wildly new at this. How do I go about convincing you of Anne Poore's notability? What if there are reasons her name should be recognized (especially in connection with Chester Olszewski) but there is nowhere on the web where one can find her other than a few French and Spanish Catholic websites? Just wanted an English language resource to list her. I was working on a more detailed article that would maybe explain her notability - should I shelve it, or, what - run it by you??— Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewgabrielrose (talk • contribs)

If I restore it, in it's current condition, it will probably be deleted again due to failure to meet the standards for WP:BIO. Link me to a Spanish website and I'll try and translate it and see if it can be better verified. There may be an article on her at the Spanish version of Misplaced Pages.--MONGO 18:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I found this French site - http://perso.dromadaire.com/vivi_labine/statue.html, and this bit in Spanish - http://www.editorialbitacora.com/bitacora/galeria/fenomenos05/feno03.htm. I'm a monoglot, so out of luck as far as translating these.--andrewgabrielrose 12:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Neither website is very satisfying as far as a reliable sources goes. The Spanish one is very brief. Is there anything in print...in a published book?--MONGO 16:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Southeast Polk

Hi, I would just like to ask what your reason for deleting the image was on the Southeast Polk District page. I checked and it is allowed to be on the page.WatashiNoAiken 23:54, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

It had no fair use assertation--MONGO 03:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

To clear things up, I have writen permission to use any images and information located on the Southeast Polk District website.WatashiNoAiken 02:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thoughts on something

I put something together that you might be interested in: User:Junglecat/RfA Thoughts. I saw what happened to "Mr oppose-fails my criteria". I should have confronted him myself. Someone did a similar thing by leaving a "blank" oppose on a great candid’s RfA, and I among others didn’t like it. I got reprimanded a while back for my comments I left on someone’s talk page about it. Any hoot, feel free to edit the page and add to it. It is unfinished and needs more thoughts/ideas. I know it is POV of wiki policy, but I think quite a few would agree. I think the RfA process needs a new "guide". JungleCat talk/contrib 19:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I've seen a lot of these things and I agree with most of what you have to say on the matter. My policy on Rfa's is that I usually don't vote unless I am familiar with the nominee or I see a potential problem. My own Rfa was very contentious, and it's interesting since I never personally solicited to become an admin. I was pleased that some of those that opposed changed their minds during the week. If I see an Rfa that ha s apile-on of opposition, I never add my name to that column since I see no reason to add insult to injury. Changing the Rfa process is something that will be very hard to achieve as numerous attempts to do so have met with only minor alterations. I do think that it is important to be civil as much as possible there and respect that, especially with newer editors, it's best to simply and politely explain to them that their experience is not yet up to par.--MONGO 19:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

True, I need to add that, and need tweak the language on the page a bit. I don’t want someone to think I was a revolutionary or something like that. Thanks for taking a look. JungleCat talk/contrib 19:41, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, best thing is to simply make comments at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for adminship and see what kind of feedback you get...just don't expect any sweeping changes. Let me know what else I can do for you.--MONGO 20:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Question regarding "bold" redirecting of article to avoid AfD

Hi MONGO, I was wondering if you could take a look at something. On October 5, Calton nominated Sophie McLean for AfD. Smeelgova then redirected the page, apparently intact, to Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous. Just being WP:BOLD? Well, I don't know. She didn't move the {{afd}} tag, so now everyone's still arguing over Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sophie McLean (and you really ought to look at that AfD; almost all the votes are from SPAs), even though it's now a redirect with no {{afd}} tag, and Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous is also sitting there with no {{afd}} tag. Combine that Smeelgova's extremely intense involvement in continuous editing of a whole bunch of related articles (along with pitch-perfect Wikilawyering skills), and I have to say I think something's very wrong here. Can you look and see if process is up to snuff on this AfD? (I should point out that there appears to be a major orchestrated campaign, by two different groups of people, to screw around with all articles have much of anything to do with Werner Erhard, Landmark Education or EST. One side seems to want to delete them all, the other wants to create a walled garden of as many Erhardt-worshipping (and Erhardt-enemy-basing) articles they can get away with. I don't know anything about what started all this, but I do know I suspect serious bad faith all over the place and a lot of articles (and editors) that need serious attention from some admins. What should I do? Can you poke around? Should I post to AN/I? Or what? Thanks, --Aaron 20:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks like Smeelgova (talk · contribs) and Sm1969 (talk · contribs) are either the same person or both intent on promoting that series of articles...WP:SPAM. If there is evidence of an effort to evade 3RR, a request for checkuser may be a good idea. I'll comment that the Afd has been redirected, and that doesn't appear to be a problem. I will need you to figure out which side is content on the deletion of the articles and see if they are a rival enterprise. I can't see any reason why your comments above can't be transcluded to AN/I (mine can stay here).--MONGO 20:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks like the two I mentioned above are actually edit warring, but I saw comments that indicated there is a lot of edit warring and possible 3RR infractions on various articles.--MONGO 20:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try to figure it all out later tonight and report back. There's at least five different people involved, and they all seem to be edit warring over the same few articles, some for more than a year if I recall correctly. --Aaron 20:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Lot's of promotional issues going on here...notice how this is akin to editors who solely edit to POV push conspiracy theory stuff, and have little other direction, only in this case, it's even more obtuse. I'll be offline for some time also.--MONGO 21:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Stor stark7

I invite you to join the discussion on Nazi Germany regarding recent edits by someone who appears to see a lot of good in Nazi Germany, and a lot of bad in the U.S. and their Allies.--Cberlet 12:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeech...that should be interesting.--MONGO 19:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you accept my text suggestion at Talk:Nazi_Germany#When_the_frontlines_reached_Germany_several_million_rapes_took_place?--Stor stark7 13:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

test5 warning

Sorry, typo (meant test4). But I AM guilty of repeatedly forgetting to subst... Cheers. Pascal.Tesson 13:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Got off on the wrong foot

Since we got off on the wrong foot, I wanted to go ahead and extend my apologies if you misinterpreted my intentions or were offended. I hope we can continue on in the spirit of friendship.

Best Wishes, Urek 01:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Yet more user page

Hi. I was wondering if you could cast a second pair of eyes over User:WhisperToMe and see if you think I am being ridiculously picky about the 9/11 joke the user has there. I find it distasteful to make a joke like that about an event where 4000 people died; the editor is refusing (so far) to take it down. Be grateful if you have the time to take a look. Thanks. --Guinnog 06:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot foe your trouble, MONGO. --Guinnog 07:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem...it seems a bit distasteful and I can't see what it does to help the project overall.--MONGO 07:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Favor?

I have requested speedy deletion of Image:Foley-ad.jpg as a copywritten image failing criteria 2 of WP's fair use policy (must not be used for purpose other than original use). It is being discussed on Talk:Mark Foley scandal as being fair use, and not POV because it "exposes hypocricy", which only bolsters that it fails criteria 2. I have removed the image from the page, but would like to see the image deleted asap. Can you do that for me? Crockspot 17:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Strange Close & Re-List

The Afd that you voted on at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/James W. Walter has been closed and relisted by an Admin at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/James W. Walter (second nomination). Before re-listing, the vote was 19 delete, 5 keep. Morton devonshire 22:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

tinywords.com

On 30 September 2006, you did s speedy delete of Tinywords.com (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) deletion log. As the article's main author, I may be biased, but I thought that the article clearly established the significance of the website and its mailing list. Although I don't think the article mentioned it (mainly because I hadn't gathered the statistics to verify it), tinywords.com is the largest circulation haiku publication in the world (probably by a factor of ten over the next closest publication). Will you please undelete it (or do I need to go through Misplaced Pages:Deletion review)? 06:27, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I restored it...try to make improvements as possible to make it more notable.--MONGO 06:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I've now done a bunch of copyediting that I hope makes clear the importance of the subject of the article. I also moved it from tinywords.com to tinywords to emphasize that it is a publication and not just a website. I hope that those changes are sufficient to prevent any speedy deletions (as well as any WP:PRODing). 12:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Old Friend

When did you turn to the dark side? Agriculture 06:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I have always been on the dark side...it's my nature...back for good? Let me know if I can be of any help.--MONGO 06:56, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

No I meant when did you join the cabal. I'm touring ATM, don't know if I'm staying back. This place looks more or less like the festering pit I left. Trolls galore, rogue admins, and vandals out the wazoo. Agriculture 07:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not a "member" of any group and find myself juggling a lot of fine lines. I see most of the longtime editors as contributory, and regardless if I agree or disagree with their POV, I have no problem with them if they follow NPOV. I don't see many rogue admins, just people trying to do what they can help the project. Yes, there are lots of trolls and vandals though.--MONGO 07:17, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Looked to me like that piece of work Tony Sidaway is still around and still throwing his weight like it was no tomorrow, without consensus whenever possible. Agriculture 07:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, he decided to resign his adminship. I know others have had complaints about him, but I have no problem with his work and in fact have supported it most of the time. His recent dealings with some other editors are also editors I hold in high regard.--MONGO 07:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

When did he resign? Still looks like he is practicing... Agriculture 07:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

It's been at least a week ago now. Seriously, I see him as doing what he thinks is right for the encyclopedia...many may disagree with that...again, those that have had "difficulty" recently with Tony are all, generally speaking, tremendous assests to the project. If you want to come back and edit, I welcome it...just try and let the past be in the past...the place can always use good help...just don't vapor lock on us.--MONGO 07:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Possible WP:BLP violation at Lori Klausutis

You may want to take a look at Lori Klausutis. The subject is 100% nn (and not likely to get any more n as she's 100% dead), but a lot of people are getting off on the fact that she assumed room temperature while in Joe Scarborough's Florida district office. The fact that Scarborough was in Washington at the time this happened, and that the autopsy showed zero foul play or reason to suspect it, doesn't seem to matter to a lot of editors; it's dirt against an enemy, and they like that. The article itself reads like a day-old newspaper article and says absolutely nothing worthy of WP:N; it quite obviously exists purely as an anti-Scarborough hit piece ... a perfectly wikilawyered hit piece on Scarborough, I must admit, but a hit piece nonetheless. Anyway, it's up for AfD, but the discussion has quickly degenerated into the usual factionalizing (i.e. the usual suspects want it kept at all costs), so it's certain to close as a "no consensus" unless someone goes in there and actually rules up or down on the WP:BLP and WP:N issues. Care to be that someone? *grin* Seriously, I'd rather it get closed as a full-blown "keep" as long as it meant an admin directly addressing the issues at hand; otherwise this is just going to keep coming up for AfD every couple of months from now until the end of time. So if you have a few minutes and feel like annoying some people... Thanks, --Aaron 23:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

A complicated matter...on the one hand, we have articles that provide the evidence as can be recorded from reliable witnesses. On the other hand, this is an event that now seems to have lost it's lifespan of notability as it is a passing affair, no offense to the poor soul who expired in such a sad fashion.--MONGO 03:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Red Deer

You mean like this? Image:RedDeerCaithness.jpg

That's a fascinating bit of info; I mean to read up on it. We have a lot in certain areas of Scotland and we just call them Red Deer. I think they are increasing numbers here. There are also Roe Deer and Fallow Deer; the latter are almost as small as dogs. I took the photo on holiday in Caithness last year. Best wishes, --Guinnog 08:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I chipped in. You are very welcome to use my picture if you think it adds to the article. Best, --Guinnog 08:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Fascinating, thanks for sharing. The debate about gorillas and chimpanzees also comes to mind. Did you ever read Steve Jones' book Almost Like A Whale? It goes into detail on the subject we are discussing. I added my pic to the article. --Guinnog 09:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Can't say I have read that one. Thanks for the image. Here is more on the matter of species and I'll check out that book you mentioned.--MONGO 09:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again. I found out it went under the title The Origin of Species Updated in the U.S. market. Jones follows the structure of Charles Darwin's original masterpiece in light of new knowledge about genetics. It's amazing how much of Darwin's original material still holds up; it seems he was an inspired guesser like many scientists. --Guinnog 09:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, many thought Steven Jay Gould was trying to alter Darwin's theories, but Gould clearly stated that all he was trying to do was provide clarification.--MONGO 09:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Your ref harvard comments

Hi MONGO,

Thanks for your comments on my talk page. I replied to them, placing my reply on my talk page as well...

Cheers,

--Ling.Nut 13:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Is it normal for this

person to patrol and edit/delete comments from Jimbo's talk page?--Tbeatty 20:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

He restored my comment. Is he Jimbo's admin or something? --Tbeatty 20:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Not to my knowledge...is he even an admin?...I'll check--MONGO 21:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:NPA

Can you say something to this user, User:Luci Sandor, regarding his comments? He was talking to User:ExplorerCDT, in what I would call an unacceptable tone. I asked him nicely to be careful in what tone he responds to other users and he reponded by saying Like I care. Please also report it to my posterior. Be careful, I just created three new accounts and I will just avoid those two aforementioned universities. Or, better, because I have a job and a girlfriend, I will consider doing it later and I'll leave you focused on my edits. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 23:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, if it continues to be this way, then I would suggest taking it to AN/I.--MONGO 04:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, which passed on October 17, 2006 with a tally of 53/6/0. I am equally elated and humbled by my new capacity as administrator of Misplaced Pages, and I send my heartfelt thanks for your unflinching support. If you need me for anything, just ask me! With gratitude, physicq (c) 02:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

why are you screwing with me?

What is your motivation behind censoring the truth I've stated?

You didn't have time to read what I was writing, so you deleted with extreme prejudice, i.e., censorship.

It's not my credibility that is at stake here, it's WikiPedia's.

Why don't you calm down and read what people are writing before you fly off the handle and censor everybody. Confirm the facts first, do your research, or you're going to earn a reputation less than competent. --CyberSongs 06:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not here for organizations to use it as a promotional source.--MONGO 06:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I speedy tagged the new articles. They seem to be gone. I am going to go see who did it but don't want to stuff beans up my nose by asking how to check. --Tbeatty 06:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

You can search for deleted articles here--MONGO 06:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I found it. I knew it was a deletion log and I could get to it from the AfD page. Just didn't want to give anyone ammo. Cheers. --Tbeatty 06:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Ziteng

Why did you delete the Ziteng article? I wasn't the creator, but I think it's notable enough. It definitely wasn't vandalism. Consider restoring? - SpLoT 06:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

No need to restore. I have the content in my clipboard. Do you think I should recreate? - SpLoT 06:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It fails notability and may be considered to be advertising anyway.--MONGO 06:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

My administratorship candidacy succeeded with a final tally of 81/0/1. I appreciate your early support. Results are at Misplaced Pages:Recently_created_admins#Durova. Warmly, Durova 21:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

New Project

I noticed you added the new project to the alphabetical list, and thank you for the information. Your project will hopefully be sent a copy of the partially corrected directory of projects in a day or so, with the hope that you can add your project to whichever groupings you think are appropriate. Good luck with the project, and I hope that this time I actually get within a week or two of my expectations. Badbilltucker 21:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Red Deer

Thanks for the note! I've added some thoughts - MPF 01:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the ref - I'd say if anything, it actually makes page sorting easier, since it quite clearly splits them into three species, Red Deer (C. elaphus), Wapiti/American Elk (presumably C. canadensis as that is likely an earlier published name than C. sibericus or any of the other east Asian taxa - need to check publication dates but that's easy), and Tarim Deer (presumably C. bactrianus). I'd even say we have to split the current Red Deer page, as keeping a broad circumscription of C. elaphus leaves it paraphyletic with respect to C. nippon (Sika Deer); their evidence for this is strong (the other option would be to lump Sika Deer into Red - not an attractive proposition). Fortunately, virtually all the sci names will have been published at species rank at some time in the past, so putting them as species on the basis of this ref wouldn't break WP:NOR. Then sorting out subspecies within each of the three species can be left to a later date when more info becomes available (cc. this to Talk:Red Deer). - MPF 21:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Edit count tool

Hey there. Did this tool for edit count link go dead or get moved? I cannot get it to work anymore. Or do you use a different one? Later - JungleCat talk/contrib 05:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

It hasn't worked for me either lately...Essjay, the person who wrote the program, has been away from the project for some time now. Try at Misplaced Pages:Edit count.--MONGO 05:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll check Wed. Gotta get some rest... JungleCat talk/contrib 05:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Howdy

Hey MONGO,

Just stopping by to let you know I'm back, although in a decidely less intense capacity than before. You seem to be at it as hard as ever.

Cheers, —Doug Bell  17:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed you had made some edits...good to see you're still around, and I look forward to your latest excellent work. I also chimed in in defense of ref:harv and am not sure why some folks seem so interested in getting rid of it...personally I like it a lot, but admit I have only used it on one article.--MONGO 18:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Mis?identification of K

Is the evidence by which that determination was made privileged? I (and, it seems, several other people) equated the two on the basis of writing style some time ago, and the behavior post-blocking tended to reinforce that, IMO. I'm curious — I'd be quite mortified, and quite surprised, to find I'd helped pile on an innocent New Hampshirian. (If you need to reach me, the easily found address works.) Choess 00:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I was informed via email that People Powered is not a Karmafist sock, but is a New Hampshire resident involved in the political apparatus of the state. That is all I was told via email.--MONGO 04:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFA/Cynical

Thank you for contributing to my RFA. Unfortunately it failed (final tally 26/17/3). As a result of the concerns raised in my RFA, I intend to undergo coaching, get involved in the welcoming committee and try to further improve the quality of my contributions to AFD and RFA. All the best. Cynical 14:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/MONGO

This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.

PrivateEditor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)and Rootology (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) are banned indefinitely from Misplaced Pages. No action is taken against MONGO for any excessive zeal he has displayed. Links to Encyclopædia Dramatica may be removed wherever found on Misplaced Pages as may material imported from it. Users who insert links to Encyclopædia Dramatica or who copy material from it here may be blocked for an appropriate period of time. Care should be taken to warn naive users before blocking. Strong penalties may be applied to those linking to or importing material which harasses other users.

For the Arbitration Committee. Arbitration Committee Clerk, FloNight 02:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Jaakko Sivonen again

Hi Mongo,

Since you were the one to block this guy last time, I'm writing you... Since he got unblocked, he's still revert warrying (see for instance Finnish people or Vyborg (castle) ) resuming the same reverts and inserting the same highly POV/inflammatory content.

Could you take another look into it and issue him another warning or another appropriate measure?

Thanks in advance, -- Grafikm 12:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

P.S.: Btw, I saw that the Arb case was finally closed. Congrats for making it, I always thought you've done the right thing... :)

Re:9/11 articles

Sorry for letting things get out of hand. It's just that I lose my temper when conspiracy theorists use Misplaced Pages as a propaganda tool to spread theories that every established source has rejected. I won't lose my cool in future. Thanks again. Cerebral Warrior 15:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't disagree with you and in fact, I find most of the comments by many that are POV pushing such crap are either trying to be provocative or are simply ignorant. In the case of the latter, our job is to ensure they become educated and in the case of the former, if they persist in disruption, then they end up getting blocked.--MONGO 15:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I had the image speedied

02:15, October 20, 2006 FloNight (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:" (Arb case closed)

Hope you don't mind. --Tbeatty 17:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, thank you for that...you beat me to it...thanks much.--MONGO 20:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)