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	Thanks for your help with updating and citing populations for cities in China! Λυδ α cιτγ 06:01, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Swen Vincke

Through WP:NPP I noticed your edit comment on Swen Vincke. Redirecting a (potentially) non-notable BLP can be a WP:BOLD edit as an alternative to deletion. The redirect had been stable for 18 months so it was not hugely controversial. Your restoring enters the article into a WP:BRD of which I don't really have an opinion but thought I would suggest an alternative spin on events. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:11, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the article abit and replaced sourced with actually good ones, but admittedly the article needs more work since it doesn't mention his work on the actually popular games like the Divinity series. I'll start a discussion on the talk page as to whether the article should be removed. Openlydialectic (talk) 18:14, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

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Hudaydah

Hi You are new here but a subject have been opened in talk page about using unreliables sources. --Panam2014 (talk) 00:47, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh, okay, I didn't see that, sorry. Openlydialectic (talk) 00:48, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

No problem. --Panam2014 (talk) 03:15, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Redlinks & Edits to Tham Luang cave rescue

Hi there! In your edits to Tham Luang cave rescue, you have been linking to Samarn Gunan. Please refrain from doing so as it is a Red Link. Thanks! Broadwaygenius (talk) 05:46, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

From the web page you've just linked: " It is useful while editing articles to add a red link to indicate that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic because the subject is notable and verifiable." That's exactly the reason I added it. You, on the other hand, did not explain why you've been trying to remove the red link from his name. Openlydialectic (talk) 05:48, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

@Openlydialectic: Is the article being created soon? I see nothing in draft space in relation to this person, or a request Broadwaygenius (talk) 05:54, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't know - I am not creating it (I don't speak Thai). But as the rules clearly say: It is useful while editing articles to add a red link to indicate (...) that an article should be created for the topic because the subject is notable and verifiable." Openlydialectic (talk) 05:55, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

@Openlydialectic: Is he notable though? Please read WP:MILPEOPLE. Just because someone passed away does not make them notable Broadwaygenius (talk) 06:09, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

I am pretty sure he is, seeing how the two divers who discovered the kids had articles created about them. I am also guessing that he doesn't fit WP:MILPEOPLE but some other category seeing how hes most famous for dying in that cave and not for his military achievements, though I didn't spend a weekend memorising Misplaced Pages's documentation so I am not sure which category fits him the best. Either way, his death got him a lot of exposure in Thai media so there's no doubt theres enough info around about him. I would advice you to wait a few days, and remove the red link if, and only if, nobody creates an article about him Openlydialectic (talk) 06:14, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

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Russian language article

Hi, Openlydialectic. I've reverted your change to the Russian language article here. I'm not sure of what you mean by the former Soviet Union being a 'de facto' state, and certainly can't think of any reliable sources which would support such a hypothesis. If you think it's a justified addition, please take it to the talk page of the article in order to discuss the addition of such content. I'm certainly open to clarifying what is being postulated, and would welcome sources and a discussion. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:53, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I think I've understood what your intention was: to indicate that Russian was the de facto language of the Soviet Union. Actually, that isn't strictly correct, it was the official language and all documentation in every SSR was in Russian until (if I recall correctly) the actual dissolution of the USSR. It could be argued to have met with de jure or, more accurately, lingua franca for the Soviet Union, but I think it's a little convoluted for the purposes of the infobox. Perhaps there's a more succinct way of expressing this in the infobox. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 07:46, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I indeed meant to indicate that, which is why I put the (;) sign between the two parts. I think the current infobox is highly misleading and it doesn't necessitate a discussion on the talk page since we are talking about an undisputed fact that can easily be verified by looking at the soviet law, which is why I reinstated the edit.

Saman Kunan

As a contributor to Talk:Tham Luang cave rescue#Saman Kunan article you may be interested in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Saman Kunan. Regards, WWGB (talk) 02:07, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, will check it out. Openlydialectic (talk) 02:11, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hi. I noticed that you have a dispute with a user in the article Palace of the Parliament that has lead to an edit war. Per WP:WAR, reach consensus or pursue dispute resolution rather than be engaged in edit warring. Thanks. Thinker78 (talk) 06:03, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

I was just reverting attempts by an IP to add some unknown blog to the lead of the article, that's all. Openlydialectic (talk) 08:37, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

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August 2018

Please desist from editing other people's Talk Page comments like you did here. Per WP:TPO:

 you should not edit or delete the comments of other editors without their permission.  Never edit or move someone's comment to change its meaning, even on your own talk page.

This sort of vandalism could lead to a ban. XavierItzm (talk) 09:03, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

@XavierItzm: 1) That's not vandalism. Read what vandalism is before making new comments.

2) It was an accident. I have no idea how that stuff happens, your contribution that got removed was published 3 minutes before my contribution that, apart from adding my comment, somehow removed yours. I assume the comment that you've added and that was removed was added AFTER I started editing the page but before I published it, but when I pressed to publish the page I didn't receive any warning about edit conflicts or else. To that matter, one my comments (specifically, this one: ) disappeared from that talk page too, and I've seen other people complaining about their comments disappearing there. So I have no idea what happened, but it's probably a wiki glitch ot something along those lines.

3) Based on the two talk points above: assume good faith ffs. Openlydialectic (talk) 12:05, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Sarah Jeong DR

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I am posting this on your talkpage out of an abundance of caution solely because you recently edited Talk:Sarah Jeong and, as the message says, not suggesting any policy violation by you. Abecedare (talk) 02:09, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

August 2018

Please desist from posting irrelevant messages on other user's talk page like the one you posted on mine. If you bothered to check the infobox, you would have seen that he was already listed as British and Iranian before my edit, and if you need another source, check this.---Wikaviani (talk) 00:25, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Wikaviani: That article doesn't change the established consensus that he has to have a more direct link to the country than simply living there. And don't even get me started on your accusations that other users "spread Kurdish propaganda". Openlydialectic (talk) 00:40, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Please be my guest go ahead and start a discussion about this. Since you fail to check facts, just check this. FYI, Ponyo is an admin and he also asked Serchia to stop pro-Kurdish propaganda, i hope that you will go on his talk page and say him somethong like "don't even get me started on your accusations that other users "spread Kurdish propaganda""...---Wikaviani (talk) 00:48, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

I am not too invested to deal with you. It's been sufficient to say that you replaced his ethnicity from the UK-based Kurdish Iranian to the UK-based British Iranian without even bothering to change the two references that statement was sourced by. Openlydialectic (talk) 00:54, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Also, I am pretty sure removing warnings from your talk page as you just did is against the rules. Cheers. Openlydialectic (talk) 00:54, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

My references were for the Iranian claim, not the British. And the link i added was pointing to "Iranians in UK", but of course, you did not even check that ...

"I am not too invested to deal with you" : you bet, it's just because you know you're wrong but you don't want to recognize it. Also, your comments saying "I am pretty sure removing warnings from your talk page as you just did is against the rules" just proves one thing : you don't know wiki rules, do you ? laughable. So let me explain you why i removed your irrelevant "warning": it was for two very good reasons : first, because i have the right to do so, check with an admin if you don't believe me. Second, because a warning posted by a user like you, who has not even checked Wiki rules, has absolutely no value whatsoever. Go learn rules instead of bothering other users, and if you need any help for that, just ping me, i will gladly help you. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk) 01:11, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

User talk pages

Hello Openlydialectic. You may not be aware of WP:BLANKING, that user's are permitted to remove most warnings from their talks pages (re this). When they do, it is an acknowledgement that they have received the message. Restoring warnings like this often just inflames situations. Thanks, Paul Erik 16:53, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Paul Erik:Oh. I am sorry, I didn't know that! I'll remove them at once. Openlydialectic (talk) 16:54, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt action! Paul Erik 16:56, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

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Sarah Jeong press coverage

Openlydialectic, would you like to discuss with me our differing views on inclusion of the {{Press}} template on the article talkpage at present ? My talk-apge may be a good venue so that any other objectors can find the discussion easily. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 20:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

You are really shouldn't have done that, and it leaves you open to an immediate block; no, I'm not going to needlessly escalate but do read WP:AC/DS carefully. FWIW I was about to propose restoration of the Atlantic article along with, following User:GRuban's suggestion, a note. If you are interested you can follow the discussion on my talkpage. Abecedare (talk) 23:23, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

i am pretty sure it doesn't leave me open to an immediate block. You removed all press coverage claiming it violates BLP, but the Atlantic article certainly doesn't. You were supposed to start discussion on the talk page of the relevant article before removing anything, but you didn't. Instead you started a discussion on your own talk page, evidently, so that other users participating in the discussions on the article's talk page wouldn't see your changes because they would certainly be against it. Be glad I haven't restored the full version (including the Breitbart and other mentions) because I certainly will unless you are planning to start a discussion on the talk page of the ARTICLE, not on your own talk page. Openlydialectic (talk) 23:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Please don't do that, and do read the policy I linked. I really don't want to issue more blocks or topic-bans. Take a break, if you find yourself getting agitated over such minor matters. Abecedare (talk) 23:35, 8 August 2018 (UTC)