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LumaNatic

Hey Sandstein, last month you closed a discussion topic banning LumaNatic from "anything to do with race, racism, racial history and politics, slavery, or white supremacy, all very broadly construed." They've since made edits in violation of this topic ban . (Notably, they also haven't made any edits to articles they aren't topic banned from.) Please do the needful. Natureium (talk) 16:20, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

@LumaNatic: Please respond promptly to the above. Sandstein 16:58, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

@LumaNatic: Because you have not responded or otherwise edited since, I am blocking you for a week in enforcement of your topic ban. Sandstein 10:06, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Aprimo DRV

At Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2019 February 6 you indicated you did not not understand what the DRV was about. The DRV was about whether CSD G6 was properly applied and executed in the 05:01 01 February 2019 UTC deletion of the Aprimo incarnation of per guidelines and policies. The objective of DRV is for that decision to be endorsed or overturned, and if overturned to indicate what action is required … is none. If you do not fully understand which you indicated you did not the appropriate option is to relist for clarification or leave for another person to close. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:21, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Then you should have been clearer about what, exactly, you want to happen in your DRV request. I do not have anything to add to my closure. Sandstein 10:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I apologise for my failure to totally analyze the problem in my initial submission. A concise issue of the exact problem only became clear to me during the discussion with help from others. Thankyou for replying.Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:26, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

פֿינצטערניש TBAN

You TBANed @פֿינצטערניש: from ARBPIA. It would seem to me that - 17:37, 29 January 2019 and 13:58, 14 February 2019 would fall within the scope of the TBAN. Icewhiz (talk) 14:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Neither of those edits mention the Arab-Israeli conflict, nor does the topic have anything to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict. פֿינצטערניש (talk) 14:35, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry; I thought the two edits you were referring to were both on Category talk:Anti-Zionism. You are right that my edit to the Khazars page mentioned the Arab-Israeli conflict. I should not have mentioned it, but I made a mistake in my original attempt to discuss the Khazar conflict and overreached. פֿינצטערניש (talk) 14:39, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

פֿינצטערניש, these are indeed topic ban violations. I will not take action here in view of your statement above, but please take care not to violate your topic ban again. Sandstein 14:58, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello

Do you know I get along with most of the users on Misplaced Pages including the Hungarian nationalistics? And it's very difficult to work with them, they are much more like warriors, they kinda always want to have the last word. And the Hungarian history is against the Trianon and the international regulations. Nevertheless, I reached consensuses with Borsoka and more. And one Danish user on the handball section Cotillards always wants to have the last word. And I even let him to have the last word, although he removed some of my work which was objective, not subjective like she said. And very similar to the articles of Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man United etc.

Normally I don't even deserve a minimum TBAN. Some hours for my behaviour maybe, but you can't say I am really bannable. Because after, it will open other boxes of possible exclusions. Even the absolute exclusion.

When I arrived on Misplaced Pages, the Romanian page was full of mockeries. Now what do you think? Do you think there are some businessmen who would read it on Misplaced Pages or not, when they type Romania? A small armada of users even mocked us by creating pages with the Romanian towns by Roma populations (which was of course eventually deleted). We want to get along with everyone, but understand we are more than you in an area of opression. And you are really understimating the Romanians, and me. I don't like the situation, but it's the result of the stupid nationalism in Hungary, Ukraine or Russia. In Germany, Romania, we talk about patriotism. Christina (talk) 19:22, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Please make any relevant comments at WP:AE. Sandstein 23:42, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Requests for undeletion

https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shark2six Please restore the page as I intend to work on it. Thank you.

No, because chances are you are trying to continue to promote this non-notable person. Sandstein 10:34, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

TBAN appeal

Hello, Sandstein,

I am blocked from editing Romania and Romanians. By the way, I never edited Romanians, Dacia and Dacians, only Romania was problematic. Some admins even suggested that a 6-month TBAN would be harsh, and proposed 3 months or none. Can I get at least the chance to appeal it? Keep in mind please I had 0 reports and my behaviour in my opinion comes from the lack of experience on Misplaced Pages. I am just 1 year old though with about 150 created articles. If we don't work, we don't make mistakes! Right? I accept this TBAN but it hurts to see I am being punished because of Tgeorgescu, who proposed this to the administrators. 6 months is a very, very long period to everybody. Put yourself in my place! Christina (talk) 12:55, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

You can appeal the topic ban through the venues referred to in the link on your talk page. I'm open to lifting the topic ban earlier if I am convinced that you understand the reason for it and show that you can contribute competently and conflict-free in other topic areas. Sandstein 13:02, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Question: can I still edit the Romanian towns? I am getting bored without doing anything than handball, handball news these days come out very rarely. For instance on Arad and Oradea I completed with the Antiquity section on History. My only problem was with Romania, and I never edited even Romanians not just Dacia or Dacians. I will not touch Romania and Romanians, but I hope I can still touch the other Romanian articles. Because otherwise why I am on Misplaced Pages? I am Romanian user, I contribute to what I know. Christina (talk) 13:08, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

No, Romanian towns are part of the broader topic of Romania. Sandstein 13:09, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

I was so shocked to see that the Roman and even Dacian sometimes history of Romania is vanished. Romania comes from the people of Rome and we speak of course a language of Romance related to the Vulgar Latin. Some Hungarian nationalists would disagree, in order to say the Romanians are Cumans and there was nobody in Transylvania, all Roman cohorts that mixed with the Dacians were dead. And this theory IS GENERALLY AGREED BY BRITANNICA and international historians, it's universal. That we are the descendants of Dacia and Rome. DO YOU SEE A ROMANIAN CARING SO MUCH ABOUT THE HUNGARIAN TOPICS? No, but an army of Hungary is very interested about Romania (when they need to really edit big our history, they come out with proxies). The admins, most of them Americans, don't care. They ignore us, our oppression. Why do you think all the Antiquity section of History at all the Transylvanian towns was erased in time? And they only started with the official attestation of the city. Which was of course in the Middle Ages, all the official documents in history were rarely younger. Tgeorgescu is a very difficult person it seems, not just a reporter, but also a Christian interested in Masturbation, pornography and is supporting some of the sins of the Decalogue. Basically a freak, but that's just my opinion. He will get ignorance from me, because of his lack of respect. He came from nowhere to report me, when we had no business together, we never edited the same articles. I wish I will live the day when a Misplaced Pages administrator would make justice. Basically Tgeorgescu is supporting the others, and not me. Christina (talk) 13:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Really, you shouldn't have agreed with him and you could have banned me for 1 month. Others got 1 week from everything for very bad actions. I would have preferred a one week block, if you really think I deserve this, instead of the 6 month TBAN. It's huge period of time! At least ban me specifically only on Romania and Romanians 3 months. Let me be able to edit about others of Romania. You can supervise me, that I am not making conflicts anymore. Christina (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

@Cristina neagu: you were topic-banned for what looked like nationalist ranting. Therefore, it is not helpful to continue with nationalist ranting in the course of an appeal. Instead, it confirms my view that the topic ban is necessary. Any further comments by you regarding the historical origins of the Romanians, etc., are in and of themselves a violation of the topic ban and may result in blocks. Your appeal to me is declined. Sandstein 13:49, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Person-to-Person

If you'll indulge me for a moment, I'd like to leave a quick message regarding my being short with you earlier. As an admin, you have authority. As an editor, I'm a paean that needs to keep their nose clean and cause as little disturbance as possible. Experienced editors get some leeway, by nothing resembling that which admins have, or are perceived to have. As an aside, I think admins have that leeway at great detriment to the health of the Misplaced Pages community. Just consider the vicious nature of RfA. That's a response to the authority gap between admin (ruler) and editor (ruled). Not to mention the lack of an accountability process that can be initiated by a disaffected community. Thus, expectations are raised to absurdity to cut-off access to the tools to all but living saints of impeccable, untarnished, and infallible records. I'm being slightly rhetorical, but you get the point.

So, when you responded to me with I do not discuss sanctions with people other than the sanctioned users themselves, you might as well have said You're a paean, so f*** off. All I can leverage in this situation is policy (ADMINACCT for example) and scrutiny (AN for example). I'm certain you didn't appreciate my you wanna go, mate? I'll fight you at AN. Come at me bro. response, but there's little action I can seek, besides that.

Most TBAN sanctions I see come attached with the "broadly construed" disclaimer, and I was unaware that where not specified that "broadly construed" was inherently integrated. I should have been, but wasn't. Thanks for clarifying that. If it's always been that way, then I'm entirely unsure why so many admins (and even arbitrators) make that clarification when imposing those kinds of sanctions. Maybe redundancy? I don't know.

I hope that clarifies my complete lack of patience. If it was unjustified, or disproportionate, feel free to let me know. Otherwise: Carry on, Mr rnddude (talk) 14:03, 18 February 2019 (UTC)