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User:Greier has requested an admin investigation of you. He is basically a troll who has been blocked a gazillion times for disruptive behavior. He has also been hard on my case. I personally don't think that any of your edits have been problematic, and certainly not as disruptive as the behavior of Greier. But if you encounter any problems, please let me know, and I will be glad to report on how you and I have agreed/disagreed and generally worked well together in the past on the Transnistria talk page. Please don't be discouraged by this investigation and please don't stop participating in Misplaced Pages. - Mauco 17:04, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks for telling me, it doesn't really bother me at all though. In fact it's all very nerdy to be honest. :)

Talk page archive

Hello, I'm an administrator responding to a complaint atMisplaced Pages:Requests_for_investigation. I don't see anything that merits my intervention. You've been civil and participated in discussions, and you look like a new user who's acted in good faith.

There is one thing I'd like to suggest. Misplaced Pages:How to archive a talk page shows how to create a page archive so that discussions are easier to reference. Regards, Durova 13:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I wondered how you do that. I will do this in future.--Jonathanpops 20:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Tiraspol Times

Hi Jonathan. Some time ago you asked a question regarding Tiraspol Times: is a real hard copy newspaper, or only a website? User:William Mauco replied that TT is a real hard copy newspaper and pretended that User:Illythr can confirm . Quote from Mauco: “It is both. Illytr wrote, and he posted the reply here (see archives). The website is daily and the paper version is not. MariusM is trying to claim that just because he hasn't seen the paper version, it doesn't exist. He will get a surprise the next time he visits Transnistria (...). It is also available in the hotels and some other places which Illytr has more information about than me.”. Today Illythr just confirmed that "we can safely assume that TT is not sold in Tiraspol in public areas. As of late October 2006, at least" . Just another example of Mauco's plain fallacies, is his habbit to pretend that different persons/refferences/books support his POV, but when you check you find this is simply not true.--MariusM 14:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no need to badmouth me. Jonathanpops can read. He can follow your links. He can draw his own conclusions as to what "habbit" (sic) I have, and who is guilty of what fallacies. And it ain't me, chum. - Mauco 20:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course Jonathanpops can read and can understand. Thanks for wikistalking me.--MariusM 20:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

This user (MariusM) has a nasty habit of posting information about me on the private Talk page of other users. I am monitoring his contributions - not wikistalking - in order to gather the necessary information for an RfC on his behavior. - Mauco 00:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I've always had doubts about there being a hard copy of the Tiraspol Times, in fact I'm sure I wrote them somewhere on the discussion. I think if there really were a paper newspaper we would have seen pictures of it by now. Like I also said though I don't think it makes the TT any less useful that it doesn't have a paper version, but I do think that everybody should call it what it is, a website, and nothing more grandiose than that.

At the same time I don't hold the same supspicions or animosity towards Mauco that you seem to, MariusM, and I don't think there's a need to mention his name everytime you come up with a new theory or some new evidence. It seems to me that the two are often unconnected. Having said that I don't have the same disregard for your opinions, MariusM, that some others seem to at times. A lot of the stuff you have to say makes a lot of sense to me. I'm not trying to draw sides here either, or trying to be everyones's friend, but just saying how I see things from my point of view.

Anyway, my own wild theory is that the Tiraspol Times, Visit PMR and Prinestrovie.net are all run by the same person, or bunch of people, not necessarily for nefarious reasons - just that they are. Although, knowing me, this is probably common knowledge and not any kind of revelation at all.Jonathanpops 00:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

This is also my view - same bunch of people, conected with PMR government, are running all those sites. Nothing particullary bad on this, is normal for PMR authorities to try their best on PR. The problem appear when in Misplaced Pages those are presented as independent sources, we link to all of them, and those sources are used to contradict trully neutral and reliable sources like BBC or OSCE. This is why I believe we should link only at the official site of PMR government.--MariusM 01:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Wrong. We should link to whatever is in conformity with Misplaced Pages guidelines on external links. In regards to sources, we should reference what Misplaced Pages allows us to reference. We are not breaking new ground here, or entering unchartered territory. Misplaced Pages has had policies and guidelines in place for years, and if in doubt, we simply consult those. What I believe or what MariusM believes is completely irrelevant. - Mauco 04:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

This isn't really true, 'What I (Mauco) believe or what MariusM believes is completely irrelevant', otherwise what was that silly poll for external links all about? I'm sure a few different sites in that vote would have been added if we just followed the wikipedia rules, but the votes overruled that.Jonathanpops 17:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Tiraspl Times has nothing to do with PMR Government thank you, The other two probably have some connection, Tiraspol Times has a print version with a circulation of around 1,000 copies MariusM is just causing his usual attack on TT, Why, we suspect he may be connected with a rival media but cannot prove it but he always goes on professional attacks on the papers credibility. He knows fine well we have printed editions as does Evil Alex whose family live in Tiraspol. EvilAlex never questioned this because he knew the truth, Mariusm Cannnot live with either democracy or the truth and given that Tiraspol Times represents both in Transnistria we are his favourite target, .. Mark us street Nov 24th

Well I have nothing to gain from either side being right or wrong, and I don't believe there is a hard copy version either. I also don't believe there is no connection between your website, the Tiraspol Times, and visitpmr and pridnestrovie.net Jonathanpops 17:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I was coming here to make a completely different comment, but not now.

Does this need about what sources are linkable "according to guidelines" need to be discussed on the talk page? And frankly, I've seen "conformity to guidelines" used to link to and reference all sorts of drek. And this certainly does look like Wiki-stalking. Mauco, you have better ways to spend your time. MariusM can express his opinion as he pleases as long as he has a reasonable basis. After this obvious bit of ugliness I'll certainly makes sure to communicate only in Emails. —Pēters J. Vecrumba 06:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

About Mark

Hello Jonathan, I fully agree with you that Mark's edits were non-professional to say the least and you of course did the right thing by reverting him. The trouble is that Mark has made similar comments on the talk page, but had not begun editing the main article until recently. I have actually had the same concerns that you voiced when following his recent edits. Of course the official Misplaced Pages guideline in such a case is the 1RR where you only revert a user once and then open dialogue to reach consensus. Nevertheless, taht idea entails cooperation and restraint on the part of all users involved and I am not sure that we can guarantee that here. In any case, the quality of the article is what matters the most, so don't be afraid of offending someone if you undo an edit you consider to be of low quality. Although I wouldn't say that his position as editor of the Tiraspol Times necessarily presents an ethical problem that should prevent him from editing the Transnistria article, he should certainly not try to impose his POV on the text. As for your question about posting your concerns somewhere else, hopefully Mark will change his behavior and further conflict will be avoided. However, if you (or other editors) will consider his actions disruptive, then a Request for Comment or Mediation can be intitiated. TSO1D 22:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)