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Harriet Jones

I doubt it would still be Harriet Jones that Jack was speaking to, so I am removing this assertion, post-The Christmas Invasion and the "Doesn't she look tired?" stuff Wolf of Fenric 23:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm still a newbie regarding making comments on this Torchwood site, but forgive me for pointing out that there's a comment on the Cyberwoman discussion page (at least that's where I think it is) regarding peoples' opinions versus currently-known facts. As far as is so far known, Jones is still Prime Minister, at least according to World War Three. Yes, both The Christmas Invasion and Love & Monsters show her Government having problems, but that she has lost her placement by Late 2007 is your opinion, and does not reflect currently-known facts. Having written all that, I do actually see your point...it's just (going by the afforementioned Cyberwoman thing), I have to point out a reason why the P.M. should (in inverted commas) be named Harriet Jones--Stripey1 13:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If she isn't actually named as Prime Minister, we can't assume that she still is. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Picture

Sigh. With all due respect, the image MatthewFenton put up does not sum up the story better; it leaves out the biggest focus of the episode itself: Toshiko, and her relationship with Mary. That's why I replaced it. The original image just shows Mary and it's not even all that clear. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

"My" Mary is much more clearer then your image of a "Mary" and sums up the episode far better imo.. and also you mentioned that the Dr. Who project goes against the MoS with its own MoS you better not let Josiah her that as he "projects can't go against guidelines." - I'm pretty sure you where also saying it as well.. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 15:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

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"My" Mary is much more clearer then your image of a "Mary" and sums up the episode far better imo.. and also you mentioned that the Dr. Who project goes against the MoS with its own MoS you better not let Josiah her that as he "projects can't go against guidelines." - I'm pretty sure you where also saying it as well.. also this is the 3rd time you've done this over images on TW pages frankly it is getting annoying when you get all agitated because you didn't get to upload an image..thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 15:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not backing down on this one - I've already elaborated as to why the new screenshot describes the episode better. Describe your own reasons. Also, I did not mention that the Wikiproject goes against MOS - 350px doesn't go against any MoS that I am aware of... I would be grateful if you could point me towards that guideline, if any. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

"See WP:WHO - our MOS calls for 350px screenshots" - You dont have a MOS, project guidelines are "irrelvant" -- Don't back down then, I'm not backing down either. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 16:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not agitated because I didn't get to upload an image; I'm not satisfied because the screenshot isn't as good. Also, where does it say pictures can't be 350px or that Wikiproject guidelines are irrelevant? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Apparently WikiProjects can't have guidelines (WP:TV-NC) either way I'm not bothered about size as "my" image is better and sums the article better, and as mine was first YOU must get a consensus as I _dispute_ the change (+ the quality on yours stinks..) - Also if your not agitated why do you kick up a fuss every time you don't get to do an image upload :-\? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 16:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Show me where 350px conflicts with general MOS guidelines. And once again, I "kick up a fuss" as you put it when I find that the image isn't illustrative. However, I am not unreasonable - if other opinions feel that the other image is better, so be it - if consensus wants that, let that be. That's how it works. But not otherwise. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Show me the consensus for your MOS ;-) ? (I don;t care about image sizes anyway.. so forget it..) — You kick up a fuss when things are not how *you* like them (WP:OWN) - which is slightly irritating because in my opinion _your sucks_ - I'm not unreasonable either should a consensus say "khaos works is better" then I will accept it - as I sternly dispute your change as a gesture of good will you should self rv. and get a consensus. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 16:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you want to, go see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Doctor_Who/Archive_1#Screenshot_size where the discussion settled pretty much on 350px. As far as self-reverting is concerned, I respectfully decline in this instance, because I really don't like yours either. But I do invite others to chime in on this. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)