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Dear 1) Dzierżon first name is Jan. This name was given him at baptism and should be respected. 2) His family name is Dzieżon the second z is with dot on top. This is how he signed himself in Polish language. 3) He left clear statement saying: “As my name says I am Polish..” so he is Polish not only by origin but from choice. 4) He resigned from presbytery in 1868 but it does not mean he become free of priesthood orders. 5) His family was Polish not ethnic Polish. Both father and mother did not speak German at all. 6) You have no evidence about joining Old Catholic Church by Dzierżon. You supposition are on the base of wrong Soltisec statement. You do not have any other documents as registration from the Old Catholic Church etc. I revert you changes, also some that could be matter of comas. It is just to much to repair all you ravage step by step. Please take for consideration the 6 major points above and start discussion and proving. Also be sure I will not be convinced by some Nazi or neo Nazi publications dated decades ago. In Polish and English newest publication discuses facts and documents. I do not know any recent SCENTIFIC publications in German which would support you statements. If you have some let me know and we will look for mediator. Andrew Serafin 20:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello Andrew/Serafin

First off, I agree fully with you that names should be respected. You do not show an actual document , but I go along with Jan. Misplaced Pages does not respect names though. German names are constantly translated. Only Polish names are wide-spred- despite wikipedia policy against this. The German Misplaced Pages article and the Silesian 2006 newspaper show the Old Catholic. To your point about Polish or ethnic Polish. He was born in Silesia, Prussia and died in Silesia, Germany. There was no Poland in his lifetime. There was a Polish Russia, be he did not live there. If you think you want to ravage the article again and remove all info, I will not make any further corrections on it. I inserted the 2006 article from Silesia on him.

I added Family website with photo of Johann Dzierzon's grave. Labbas 29 Nov 2006

For his name look here... --80.133.9.237 09:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Good you agree with Jan since in English would be John but not Johann :) Regarding the Old Catholic issue, I sent a request to the author to fix his mistake. It is no matter that Poland did not existed on the map (thanks the Prussian aggressions anyway). Are you suggesting that a country seize other and can additionally arrogantly claim achievements of grabbed population as its own culture? I will ask you something if you country would be sized by other one would you accept the occupants statements you are no German? Thanks for you good attitude you will not destroy the article content. I will continue my effort to provide true information about Dr Jan Dzierzon with my best knowledge. Best regards, Andrew Serafin 05:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello Andrew /Serafin someone # 131. had removed a number of facts, which I had gathered in the meanwhile.

It has become clear, that Dzierzon was born in Silesia in the Kingdom of Prussia , and he died in the same place , when it was Germany. His grave stone shows Dr. Johann Dzierzon, the entry of his birth (actual filmed Kirchenbuecher (church books), shows Johann Dzierzon, father Simon, mother Maria. Hundreds of other Dzierzon with German first names are listed in the church book entries at the LDS, Utah. There are less than a handfull entries of Dzierzon claimed to have been born in Poland. There is one entry for Jan Dzierzon, claimed to have been born in Poland.

Sorry , but the last king of Poland resigned and left and there was no Poland. Besides that, Johann Dzierzon did never live in the part, that was Poland, but he lived in Silesia, Prussia, Germany. It might well have been that at same previous time some of his ancestors might have been Polish, that was or is standard for many Germans, because a thousand years ago, when the German emperors gave Land in Lien (Land on Loan) to Mieszko I, by making him the first duke of the Polans there was never a line that said Poles are not allowed to live in Germany or vice versa, not until the 20th century anyway, when allied super powers for the first time in a thousand years came up with those dividing lines and took land away from people and 'gave' it to others ('Treaty' of Versailles) (Potsdam Agreement).

Until you can post here actual documents (copies) showing otherwise, he was born and he died Johann Dzierzon, a Silesian, Prussian, German with perhaps Polish ancestors. Labbas, 1 December 2006