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Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#Use_of_vernacular_scripts_in_India_bio_articles

interesting discussion --D-Boy 07:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#South_Asia_versus_Indian_sub-continent

"South Asian Caste System" anyone? Bakaman _Bakatalk 17:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: BAd Faith Assumptions

Dear HKelkar, first of all thanks for pointing me to the WP:AGF and WP:Civility. I will keep them in mind. But please note that the article in question, has no reference to caste based struggle as discussed on Talk:Indian_caste_system#.22Woman_raped_on_Train_by_Dalits. I suggest keeping in mind the facts we should try to remove the misinterpretation of facts. ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 17:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear Hkelkar as per the article the crime has indeed been committed by dalit party activists, but where is the point of caste based struggle in it, see the news paper report ]. Didn't we discuss all this on talk page of the article in question. The article already has many short comings, why induce another. Thanks and looking for your kind cooperation ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 18:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear HKelkar, thanks for pointing me to Burakumin, I agree there should be no whitewashing under any circumstances to present a rosy picture. But the caste based angle in the article in question is more of criminal nature; and the power, the criminals in them, assert is that they are part of a political entity, maybe governed by people in power, who need their muscles during elections and for gathering crowds, and in return will save the criminals from the law of the land. Then by this yard stick all and any crimes committed by any one belonging to any caste, political party for whatever reason would merit a mention in the article. Just because the world caste/ ambedkar/ dalit appears in the news should not merit its mention, as I still cant see any relation to caste struggle here. ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 18:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

If a balanced view is required, then why not put up something that is actually related to article and has some element of caste struggle. What about this in a balanced manner ] in place of what is already there. I request you to present some mention of real caste struggle and not crimes by (substitute your favorite word here dalit/ brahmin/ upper caste etc). Cheers ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 19:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

And what about removing the section in question.ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 19:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. ਅਜੈ ਪਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਟਵਾਲ 19:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Urdu#trying_.22too_hard.22

Kind of amusing.--D-Boy 02:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks HKelkar.

Thanks HKelkar, I am short of words to describe the wrongs. There are some websites which allege that Hindu religion has it's roots in christainity. This is sufficiently irritating. Some anonymous editer included these (external) website links in the article. Which I removed. The same found place on talk page, seeking permission for inclusion in article by the anonymous editor. I removed these links, as through subversive means, the links were placed for viewing who view the article. The discussion for inclusion was clearly opposed by all. I removed the links from talk page. There was no objection from anyone. After some days Abecedare restored the links. I remove them, he reverts and give me a 3RR notice. Then, he goes for admin community views. I fail to express and object to the subversive way. I fail to understand the intention of Abecedare. Should the Misplaced Pages policy conveniently interpreted and used for nefarious activities?

swadhyayee 04:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

New Rock Star

Hi Hkelkar, I saw the article and the latest edits. We must try to constructively discuss the changes and work on improving the article. Currently, it looks in a mess. The section on Hindutva views and Dalit views is unreferenced and POV. Do all Dalits have the same view. And whose view is it actually. I think, we need a cited historical scholarly view.

Anyway, we'll talk more on that. I have repaired the e-mail link. It's working now. Mail me. Bye for now. Keep rockin' --NRS | /_M\ 07:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Is this true HKelkar? I would never like anyone to be blocked for an year and would also not like someone to give such cause. God Bless You. swadhyayee 11:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Refs

Note: These refs are for my research purposes only, please do not type between them.

These should provide some perspective on why many Pakistani editors are arguing over Indian history on wikipedia.

School Books That Teach Children To Hate in Pakistan:

The Menace of Sectarian Education,Pakistan's NW Province Makes Quran Lessons Compulsory - From the Wall Street Journal

The subtle subversion:Islamic Fundamentalism and Brainwashing in Pakistan (news today)

Pakistani social studies textbooks creating havoc:

Pakistan, A Failed State (BBC)

Pakistan once again terrorism central

Just whose side is Pakistan really on?

SECTARIAN IDENTITIES OF MUSLIMS:" a house divided” - by R Upadhyay

MINORITY SEPARATISM IN INDIA: THE MUSLIM MINORITY - B.Raman

Of the 500 missing Pakistanis, 375 are in Gujarat —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hkelkar (talk • contribs) 21:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

ArbComm

Hi Hkelkar - there's a post at WP:AN about your current editing - I've also sent you an email about it. It's probably best if the only editing you do is within your user-space, at least until December 19th. Just create sub-pages if you want, to work on additions to articles. Thanks Martinp23 19:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Indus Valley sites

This pak as been untagging indus valley with the indian tag on it. Could use some help on this. Szhaider (talk · contribs) seems to be behind it. He takes the tag off harappa civilization and other indic historic sites as well.--D-Boy 21:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Indian caste system

I didn't realize there was more about mobility in the criticism section. Thanks for moving it up. BhaiSaab 23:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

You have violated WP:3RR by removing part of what I just added, i.e. "individual mobility among castes was generally rare." I ask that you undo this. BhaiSaab 23:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Nope, no 3RR here. I'll double check my edits though since you say that. BhaiSaab 23:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Aw. He came back.--D-Boy 01:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

You problably should have called the FBI on him. I know I would have.--D-Boy 02:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#Use_of_vernacular_scripts_in_India_bio_articles_-_2

Voting on the use of indic scripts.--D-Boy 01:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia_talk:Notice_board_for_India-related_topics#Proposal--D-Boy 04:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)_<!"> _<!">

Misplaced Pages:Three-revert rule?

How does it work? Szhaider (talk · contribs) is being a bit stubborn.--D-Boy 05:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Warning regarding Indian caste system

I have not protected the article, but be aware that excessive reversions of the article may lead to a 3RR block. Take the discussion to the talk page to avoid that. -- tariqabjotu 16:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Indian caste system Mediation

Please take a look at Talk:Indian caste system/Mediation (December 2006) and begin populating the "issues to be mediated" regarding the Indian caste system article. Also, please sign below Parties' agreement to mediate stating that you "agree" to mediate or "recuse" yourself from the dispute resolution process. Thanks in advance. -- tariqabjotu 22:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Lists of people by caste--D-Boy 05:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

2006 Dalit protests in Maharashtra

No matter what Indian PC media calls it shouldnt it be titled 2006 Dalit riots in Maharashtra raher than 2006 Dalit protests in Maharashtra?

P.S I was just being sarcastic on the other article! अमेय आर्यन DaBrood 20:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Reversion

Sorry mate, it looked like a deletion of material. You did nothing wrong and my reversion was accendental. Thanks for your understanding, Dfrg.msc 00:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Your encouragement and supporting of users to add commentry...

Do not encourage/support users to add commentary to wiki articles. I find it pretty I ironic you remove comments on talk-pages, which are directed at you, and consequently. You support users who add very silly and childish commentary into wiki articles. Please do not do this. Or I will have to issue you a warning and also mention this in your RfA pending case. You should take a break from edition wiki articles for a few months. --StreetScholar 15:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

You support users who add very silly and childish commentary into wiki articles.

Look who's talking! Moveon chavboy People living in glass houses shouldnt throw stones at others! अमेय आर्यन DaBrood 19:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Indian Buddhist Revival

The people who are doing violence are low-caste-Hindus. They are not Buddhists. The India Buddhist population is less than 0.8%. So restrict yourself before making false claims. Pkulkarni 15:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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Intrguing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Hindushudra

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http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Pkulkarni

I am a member of Sechdule Caste from India and consider all Indians as Shudras. अमेय आर्यन DaBrood 19:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

السلام علیکم

hello as-salam alaykum Hkelkar Please forgive me, English not is perfect. You seem to write many anti Islamic remarks and have bias viewpoint towards India & Israel. Please keep your biases off Misplaced Pages جزخ اللہ خیر —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Esteqlal (talk • contribs) 20:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

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I'm sorry, personal attack? There was no personal attack, rather just a constructive criticism from one Misplaced Pages editor to another. Also, please refrain from deleting my posts on your talk page, as you do not own them. (You may archive this page, however.) Also, please remove your silly writings from my talk page. :) I hope you keep these (constructive) criticisms in mind!

User warned

for making personal attacks. Hkelkar 20:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering

Are you biased? Do you believe you are bias-free? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.163.151.18 (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Apology

Hkelkar, I'm very sorry I accused you of Wikistalking. It was poor judgement, a poor reading of Misplaced Pages policy, and in very bad faith.

I also apologise for the initial comments I made. I assumed you were doing a complete hatchet job, I barely read the articles in question, and I misread them in my haste and uncalled-for anger to boot.

Furthermore, I attempted to pit you and Ambroodey against your fellow editors. This was not only incredibly disruptive, but trollish on every level. I tried to use a painful topic for my own purposes and forced you to defend yourself.

In reality, I have never treated you correctly. I should have responded to your second post to me as a good faith attempt to work with me. I didn't discuss the article with you, and try to work out any differences we had.

I did these things out of my arrogance and ignorance of Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines. What I did last night, however, is simply indefensible and wrong on a basic human level.

Again, I humbly apolgise, and I sincerely pray for your happiness, if not forgiveness.

NinaEliza 08:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Buddhism in modern India

India Buddhist revival/Dalit Buddhist Movement/Buddhist Revival in India has been moved to Buddhism in modern India. utcursch | talk 15:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

As you might be aware that Pkulkarni (talk · contribs) and his/her socks have been blocked (see Talk:Dalit Buddhist movement). User:Pkulkarni (with his sock accounts) was the only person opposed to an article with the title Dalit Buddhist movement or Ambedkarite Buddhism. Other involved parties such as User:Hkelkar, User:AMbroodEY, Nat Krause, and NinaEliza support for separate article about Dalit Buddhist movement. So, I've moved the article to Dalit Buddhist movement. The content about non-Ambedkarite Buddhism has been removed and addded to Buddhism in India. Sorry for all the confusion. I hope I'm finally fixing this. Thanks. utcursch | talk 15:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Your recent changes in Gujarat Riots Page

What can one construe of your recent edits where - where you have 1. removed the title of the HRW report entitled "We have no orders to save you.. to HRW report while you have added a blog on Sulekha to the article?Please change it back to the original title and remove the link to the Blog MerryJ-Ho 21:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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• Sorry for the first part - You did not change the title, I confused it from the edit hitsory MerryJ-Ho 21:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Sulekha claims itself to be a Networking,blogging site..So I don't know if I should agree to what you say..Check what others say..MerryJ-Ho 21:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If you think SAAG is notable put it..don't threaten..MerryJ-Ho 22:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

• So finally, you have put that link - did you read the fine print on that article - The writer is an undergraduate from Princeton University. The views expressed are his own. Contacted at e-mail: abahl@princeton.edu. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TerryJ-Ho (talk MerryJ-Ho 00:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)• contribs) 00:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

• On the economic boycott of Muslims you removed the whole set of links from UN,NDTV,Tribune India,The Hindu - Indian National Newspaper,Report from Contemporary Conflicts charging me "Then how come you can only find terrorist propaganda rag sabrang?"

The whole set of articles supporting that there was and is a rampant Boycott of Muslims in the BJP ruled state of Gujarat.I am copying them again.Please revert the changes back to where they were. MerryJ-Ho 10:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

After riots, it’s economic boycott call -

• Hkelkar - Below this is tantamount to Assuming Bad Faith and Original Research as well as threatening to use WP as a Soapbox.Make sure that you understand that I am not baiting you, just in case you wish to justify any action based on these edit of yours MerryJ-Ho 11:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar's comments follow: Dude, give up the propaganda soapboxing. None of these incidents happened in the year in question.Hkelkar 11:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)And no, I will not restore your egregious misrepresentations. The "boycott" is not a riot, it's a peaceful act so it does not belong in the article. If you do that then I will post a deluge of articles showing how Muslims in Gujarat are in collusion with Pakistan, the rise of fundamentalism, and the terrorist attacks on Narendra Modi. So do not go there buddy. Hkelkar 11:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

• I'm using wikipedia as a soapbox???What the heck^H^H^H^HGehennem have you been doing?????Hkelkar 11:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is apparent you are sopaboxing - Please don't use this contemptuous language.These kind of "heck^H^H^H^HGehennem " don't add any value to the discussion MerryJ-Ho 11:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Sulekha and Sabrang – any of those websites cannot be used as reliable sources. Please read WP:RS properly. — Nearly Headless Nick 13:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar, Only to you buddy MerryJ-Ho 20:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You don't understand

I simply never read the article, until the title changed. I still haven't read the whole thing in detail, but I believe it.

Keep up the good work.

Sincerely, NinaEliza 03:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration Page and Islamism

You have a section on the arbitration page in which I assume you will attempt to prove that "User:TerryJ-Ho supports Islamism..." My question to you is: so what if he supports Islamism? BhaiSaab 15:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Book Link on Persecution of Hindus

Regarding your most recent edits to anti-Hindu and Persecution of Hindus, the link you supplied was to Hindu Unity, which does not satisfy the wikipedia criterion for WP:Reliable Sources. However, the book is real, published by an accredited source and the author is an accredited scholar (Gurbachan Singh Talib) and the book is verified by a google books link. Therefore, I changed the citation accordingly (it's the same book, just from a more reliable source). See these diffs Thanks.Hkelkar 03:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

209.197.162.110 16:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Barnstar_and_award_proposals/New_Proposals#Hinduism_WikiProject_Award

Since you commented on the Hinduism barnstar proposal I recommend you looking at the new designs introduced by User:Priyanath. Thank you. Gizza 22:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Taking leeways when it suits

Nice job

You got all of us banned for one year. BhaiSaab 00:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

This matter is no longer in our hands. There is no time. BhaiSaab 00:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

You're right. I did say that I was willing to go down with you, and although I am still willing, I never expected it to happen. I wonder if you will ever confess to being the same person. BhaiSaab 00:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

For you addition to the Dalit Buddhist Movement article. I wish you the best and continue to pray. I'll be around. Sincerely, NinaEliza 04:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: After seeing a few recent bits of edits and discussion, I currently have much more faith in you coming back and being a great editor and community member than I do in BhaiSaab. NinaEliza 05:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

No Personal Attacks

In case you haven't been warned already, per the evidence at WP:ANI#Xenophobia...

Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you. -- tariqabjotu 05:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Your Comments at WP:AN/I

• It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. -- Chabuk 05:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• I noticed most of you've pointed out. Unfortunately, I'm not an administrator, so my warnings and advice are just that, advice. That being said, you received the warning simply because you reacted harshly to his provocation. As someone who has been in your situation before, I strongly recommend that you either ignore him completely or if absolutely necessary, open a Request for Comment/User. -- Chabuk 06:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Warning

It's good to know you've been warned of personal attacks before.I just informed the administrator of the xenophobia you've been promoting on the discussion page,along with personal attacks,racist comments etc.I couldn't help but noticing you and D-Boy concspiring against another Pakistani user:Szhaider.I also find it curious that you and your freinds happen to post approximately around the same time when grouping against me and other Pakistani wikipedians.Is it possible that you collaborate on the phone or on MSN before posting on talk pages along with luanching personal attacks,stereotypes etc?

Intersting how you and your pals almost tricked me into getting myself blocked.Better luck next time.I warn you from trying similar tricks again in the future.Also dont threaten user:Saddiqui or other users by pulling them into edit wars and then trying to portray them as the instigators.Most people have alot more common sense than you think.Nadirali 05:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Yes because wikipedia is our life and we take the time and money to call each other (and all our "Hindutva POV-pushing friends" who are really strangers working on the 'pedia) long distance across the pacific ocean, rocky mountains, mississippi river just to deal with a few trolls. Bakaman 21:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

FYI, Nadirali continues to make incivil and derogatory comments in the talk page. Why does he keep trolling it despite your advice to the contrary? Hkelkar 00:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea. -- tariqabjotu 00:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of Pots Calling Kettles Black

Since we're on the subject... it looks quite silly for you to be repeatedly updating me of Nadirali (talk · contribs)'s provocative statements, while proceeding to make comments like these. Please, cut it out, as I'm sure you're familiar with Misplaced Pages's civility policy. -- tariqabjotu 01:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

It was not prudent to follow my warning regarding incivility and personal attacks, with this comment on my talk page. You have certainly received sufficient warnings to warrant a block. I'll even post to WP:ANI for confirmation. -- tariqabjotu 02:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

It was hardly an incivil comment, and whom was it atatcking? It was an observation based on frustration of tendentious editors who get a free pass on wikipedia while sincere users who strive for accuracy get insulted, harassed, harangued and punished.

Decline reason:

It is uncivil to describe a fellow editor as "spreading baseless propaganda," and a violation of NPA to suggest one is suffering "delusions of religious supremacy" or displaying "narrow tribalist ethnocentrism". Declined -- Rockpocket 02:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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Your message

I am shashis, and thank you for your message on my talk page. I am replying late as I am new to wikipedia and did not know that a page such as my talk page existed, I checked it today and found your message. I am still learning the ropes here, and time constraint does not permit me to learn quickly. It seems there are many here with agendas and who do not want correct information to be presented. I have had the first experience with this Ikon ... who seems more interested in making sure that correct information is not presented. He has been playing cat and mouse game with information. Anyway, he is partially responsible for my postings. Initially I had only a passing interest in Misplaced Pages but his rude comments, accusations, and games have made me stay. I don't like bullys. I like to present correct/unbiased information, as much as I can, although it is not possible many times. Happy learning!

best shashis —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shashis (talk • contribs) 02:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC).