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Evidence presented by User:Bill_Huffman
Supreme_Cmdr, WarHawk, and WarHawkSP are Derek Smart Sockpuppets
- I've probably read almost all of Mr. Smart's over 7000 Usenet posts in his Usenet flame war. Mr. Smart has a unique abrasive haughty style of writing that matches these users's writing style. Based on this and the things said, I was convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that these users are Mr. Smart sockpuppets. All additional evidence I believe points in the same direction with the sole exception being the statements of the alleged sockpuppets.
- All three are WP:SPA that only edit Derek Smart and related articles.
- On October 11, 2006 Supreme_Cmdr was blocked for 48 hours for edit warring. Apparently because Mr. Smart's Supreme_Cmdr account was blocked, on October 12, 2006 User:WarHawk account was created and within minutes WarHawk picked up in the edit war right where the Supreme_Cmdr account had left off.
- On November 15, 2006 Supreme_Cmdr was blocked for 7 days for edit warring. Apparently because Mr. Smart's Supreme_Cmdr's account was blocked, on November 16, 2006 User:WarHawkSP was created and within minutes he picked up in the edit war where the Supreme_Cmdr account left off .
- Derek Smart uses the handle/alias "Supreme Cmdr" on his own discussion forums. example
Derek Smart (Game Developer) same person as Derek Smart (Usenet Poster/Flamer)
There was a flame war on Usenet from 1997 to March 2002. The total posts in the flame war was over 55,000 posts or over 29 posts per day on average. There was a Usenet persona with an email address known as dsmart@pobox.com that was a major participant that posted over 7000 posts or approximately four posts a day on average. I too was a major participant and made about 5800 posts or about three posts per day.
There is a computer game developer named Derek Smart.
I believe that the following evidence shows that Derek Smart and dsmart@pobox.com are one and the same person.
- Dsmart stated in every post that he was in fact Derek Smart. Dsmart used the name “Derek Smart” in his posts. Dsmart had a sig in almost every Usenet post that had the following first three lines (or something close).
- Derek Smart Ph.D.
- Designer/Lead Developer
- www.3000ad.com
- Derek Smart claims that he is dsmart in interviews and on the forums at www.3000ad.com . For example Mr. Smart’s website has a link to an interview of Mr. Smart. Mr. Smart says
I'm just like them, a gamer and I have no airs of superiority other than the authority I wield, as the Supreme Commander of the domain I built. Heck, I even have my own personal stalking detractors -- but they're not gamers, they're just anti-social psychotics, giving gamers a bad name and a bad rap, while doing everything they can in order to bring down the house that dsmart built.
- Another example where Derek Smart claims to be dsmart, he wrote a guest editorial for Looneygames and if you click on his name then you get an email window pre-addressed to dsmart@pobox.com.
- Derek Smart has admitted in interviews that he participates in the Usenet flamewar. For example the above quote, here's another
Sometimes when I get online, and it's quiet, and I see something that attracts my attention, I'll post just to piss these guys off. That's why I do it. Because I'm in a good mood that day, I go in there and I start trouble.
- Below are the pics of the space rock sent to me by Final Frontier mag
- a few years back. IIRC, they said it was from Mars. Its a piece of
- silver metal. If they had said outer space 'rock', I would've thought
- - meteorite.
- There you have it, draw your own conclusions.
- www.3000ad.com/temp/et_pic1.jpg (200K)
- www.3000ad.com/temp/et_pic2.jpg (178K)
- www.3000ad.com/temp/et_pic3.jpg (213K)
- Derek Smart Ph.D.
- Designer/Lead Developer
- The Battlecruiser Series
- www.3000ad.com
- "It's not everyone telling me it can't be done that bothers me.
- It's them interrupting me while I'm doing it!"
- Note that dsmart has linked directly to some images that have been placed on the temp directory of Derek Smart’s business website. Also one of the pictures shows Derek holding the piece of metal that is allegedly from Mars. Here’s a link to the image that shows Derek and was archived away on a different website. Here’s the magazine image that he mentioned.
- Derek Smart has to my knowledge never denied that he's the author of the Derek Smart posts on Usenet.
Because a significant portion of Derek Smart's fame and notority was created by his antics online in the flame war, the frequency of participation by Mr. Smart in the flame war, and the consistency of his posts (both frequency and content), I assert that the Google Usenet record can be considered a reliable source for Derek Smart statements in the flame war. I suggest that this can be used to make up part of the "controversy" section of the Derek Smart article. I suggest that ArbCom rule one way or the other to make this clear.
Evidence presented by Nuggetboy
WarHawk and WarHawkSP are are the same user
WarHawkSP claims to be a duplicate account.
WarHawk/WarHawkSP has engaged in personal attacks and violations of WP:CIVIL
- "btw, did I read somewhere that you claimed to be a doctor? Doesnt that position hold a level of competency, honor and respect? I have to say that your vehement posts seem to indicate otherwise." -
- "Since you folks do not like dealing in facts" -
- "You might want to actually do the research before editing the article." -
- "...is not going to make your edits or pointless commentary any less irrelevant..." and "Not everyone believes any of the nonsense you people spout. We the sensible ones who can make up our minds and draw our own conclusions dont just lap up anything a bunch of trolls and detractors post."
- "It is quite apparent and clear that you are simply fishing and have literally no meaningful information to contribute to this Wiki."
- "I see you haven't let up from your usual posting of pure nonsense and fabrication.", "But you know it all to be crap and its just your way of attacking Smart even further, regardless of how laughable and how much of a joke you have become around here."
- "Dont you ever quit?"
- "For someone whose edits are meaningless..."
- "a notorious net stalker" (referring to Bill Huffman)
- "But you are clealy a liar."
Evidence presented by Ehheh
Supreme Cmdr has engaged in a pattern of personal attacks
A selection of diffs from Supreme Cmdr, mostly from the Derek Smart article's talk page. More such can be provided if they are required.
"you are being irresponsible in your reverts which have no basis in reality."
"injecting your stupid site into every discussion that you can"
"just ignore Kerr and his silly remarks and edits."
"further his agenda of tainting this Wiki with meaningless edits"
"Like all your other notes and useless edits"
"He is notorious in online communities for being a net stalker"
"Only an idiot would believe that a notorious Smart stalker like you who is noted for twisting facts, distorting truths and online harrassment would have anything truthful to say, let alone have factual evidence of anything."
"I don't have time for your bullshit...If you want war, its war I'll give you and we'll just turn your talk page into a battle ground."
"Are you jealous or something? Is it because he is Black (well, he is mixed actually)?"
"You and your ilk, are the problem with this page."
Evidence presented by Steel359
Article ban on Supreme Cmdr
- The ban received support, being called a good idea
- At the time the ban was imposed, no-objections had been raised on WP:ANI
- Supreme Cmdr made it clear he had no intention to comply with the ban:
- Your ban is unwarranted and there is no supporting consensus for it.
- You can do whatever you like, there is no consensus for the ban and I will simply not honor it. Here, let me quote from WP:BAN for those of you who think you can just get together and ban someone.
Users are banned as an end result of the dispute resolution process, in response to serious cases of user misconduct.
- Supreme Cmdr violates the ban and receives a two week block from uninvolved admin Glen S (talk · contribs)
- After the block expired, Supreme Cmdr continued disrupting the talk page
- No blocks were issued.
Evidence presented by {your user name}
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