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World Dice Day
I wonder if it would be interesting to add something about the World Dice Day, held on 4th december each year?
DrNoD (talk) 06:17, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
- Nah, too trivial. If every Misplaced Pages article mentioned it's honorary day that is not widely known it would make the encyclopedia look silly. oknazevad (talk) 14:55, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Augustus and Tacitus dates
Comment to https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/2601:249:8A00:2500:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031
I added the dates because they show that Augustus died 42 years before Tacitus was born, and therefore COULDN’T have written a letter to him. I presume it’s a mangling of an actual fact, which some other editor may be able to supply. I modified the article rather than simply commenting here, as I have observed that Talk page comments are far less likely now to result in action to correct an article than was the case 15 years ago. Koro Neil (talk) 06:01, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
- So... you're just going to leave in the article what you consider to be an error, but actually making it worse by making it look silly? In the hopes that maybe someone will eventually come along and fix it? Do you have access to the cited source to see if the error is in the source, or in the person adding the source to the article? 2601:249:8A00:2500:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031 (talk) 11:51, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
- Easy now... I agree with user:Koro Neil that something's got to be fixed; I agree with the IP6-user above that leaving nonsense in the article is not the best way to go about it. There's nothing wrong with pointing out an inconsistency without having the sources to put it right, but the way to go about it is
- Remove the nonsense with a sensible edit summary;
- and/or write a talk page post about the problem (and I do not agree it doesn't work, not on a fairly well watched article like this one - but of course it may take a little time)
- or, of course, doing the work, finding the sources needed, and fixing it.
- For now, I've removed the statement entirely - viz.
- or, in Koro Neils version, highlighting the inconsistency,
- --Nø (talk) 21:37, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
- Easy now... I agree with user:Koro Neil that something's got to be fixed; I agree with the IP6-user above that leaving nonsense in the article is not the best way to go about it. There's nothing wrong with pointing out an inconsistency without having the sources to put it right, but the way to go about it is
I think that's a good solution until we have a solid source that discusses what Roman emperors actually did with dice. :) 8.37.179.254 (talk) 23:23, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Polyhedral Dice Dating
The section on polyhedral dice opens with saying "Around the end of the 1960's"; implying that this is the origin of polyhedral dice. However, this is clearly contrasted by the image of the d20 from Ptolemaic Egypt earlier in the article. I don't know much on the topic so will refrain from editing, but there seems to be something astray. Xx78900 (talk) 09:01, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- That line does not imply anything about the origin of polyhedral dice, only about a the starting point of a modern tradition ("Around the end of the 1960s, non-cubical dice became popular among players of wargames"). "Became popular" ≠ "came into existence". The sentence is technically correct, but not really helpful. The following sentence ("The numerals 6 and 9, which are reciprocally symmetric through rotation, are typically distinguished with a dot or underline.") is about a design detail only relevant to dice with our Arabic numerals, and feels misplaced (or could just be deleted).
- In Ptolemaic and Roman antiquity, both icosahedra (d20) and pentagonal dodecahedra (d12 with pentagonal faces) were known, but far less common than the cubical d6. Other shapes are even less common from these times and regions. The tetrahedra from the Royal Game of Ur are well-known today, but the four-sided and two-sided stick dice from Ur and Ancient Egypt are less well-known (although more common in their own time for all I know). Some ancient chinese dice are 18-sided (and 14-sided, I think?), and we know about 7-sided, 8-sided, and 14-sided dice from medieval Europe (again, insignificant compared to the widespread d6).
- 10-sided dice only came up in the late 19th century IIRC.
- The 1960s brought polyhedral sets into games. Again, the d10 was a late-comer (not a Platonic solid) and only became part of polyhedral sets in the 1980s.
- There is no encompassing, in-depth study about the history of polyhedral dice. I'm still collecting bits and bits of information from diverse sources. There's no simple reference you could slap into the article to cover this stuff. --Jonas kork (talk) 13:34, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- While it doesn't say anything outright, I personally believe that the absence of a statement referring to a time before the 1960's does /imply/ that that was close to their origin, but I accept that you're more knowledgeable on the subject than I am and I defer to you.Xx78900 (talk) 00:43, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- If it's misleading, we should change it. Does it sound better now? --Jonas kork (talk) 09:35, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- I think you phrased it well. Polyhedral dice are certainly more popular now than in any time in history afaict, and that can be directly attributed to the rise of tabletop games, RPGs especially (and D&D in particular). oknazevad (talk) 17:18, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- If it's misleading, we should change it. Does it sound better now? --Jonas kork (talk) 09:35, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- While it doesn't say anything outright, I personally believe that the absence of a statement referring to a time before the 1960's does /imply/ that that was close to their origin, but I accept that you're more knowledgeable on the subject than I am and I defer to you.Xx78900 (talk) 00:43, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
"Infinite" sets of dice
I don't think disphenoids can be described as an infinite set, since surely they are all the same shape but with different dimensions. Bipyramids and similar sets clearly are infinite sets, since even though they have different dimensions they also have different numbers of faces. Plokmijnuhby (talk) 15:01, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- It seems disphenoids can be inscribed in a rectangular box with a square base. The height of the box, relative to the side of the base, is a shape parameter - not merely a dimension. So I've undone your edit. PS: See image at Disphenoid.--Nø (talk) 19:30, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
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