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Charlotte, North Carolina

Was Charlotte, North Carolina also named after her? Michael Hardy 00:02, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Yes. It's even the county seat of Mecklenburg County, North Carolina. RickK 00:06, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

CITEVAR

The article is a bit confused on the WP:CITEVAR side when it comes to citing books at multiple pages.

  • For some references, it repeats the long form each time
  • For some, it inconsistently uses both the long and the short forms
  • For some, it uses the short form with a link and the year in brackets (Template:sfn)
  • For some, it uses the short form without a link and the year

Please stick to one method and apply it consistently. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:25, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Charlotte in Portraiture

My reorganization has inadvertently excluded Charlotte's golden age, the 1770s, because the article is oddly arranged and would result in clutter if all were employed. The chronological order has been upset by George's episodes of madness. Surely these magnificent portraits deserve to be on display:

– Conservatrix (talk) 23:36, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Good Article Reassessment Needed

On the Individual Reassessment Page, please see issues noted for further discussion. In light of these, I cannot see how the Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz article meets number 4 of the "Good Article" criteria: "Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each." --2605:A601:A1AF:CF00:3D08:6D49:7947:D557 (talk) 20:13, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Edit: I am adding this template, as directed by the Good Article Reassessment page: Charlotte of Mecklenburg Strelitz, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. --2605:A601:A1A8:CD00:749D:8807:EFFB:C8B9 (talk) 18:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Propose changing African ancestry "myth" to "claim"

I'd like to change the term "myth" to "claim" in this entry. Myth implies a long-standing and popularly held belief that has no grounding or has even been disproven or countered with historical research. By contrast, in this case, recent (20th c.) scholars are building a claim from historical evidence and reasonable historical conjecture. The claim is highly contentious but seems to be made in good faith and remains open to scholarly critique. Some of the evidence is indeed comprised of rumors or comments from the past, but not ones that ever rose to the status of popular myth, more like quiet whispers, so "myth" seems inaccurate to describe them. All this also assumes that the term is being used neutrally here. In this case, though, the use of "myth" seems to be working to discredit the claims before they can be considered, so it may represent a bias in the entry. "Claim" is a neutral term implying some have made the claim with some evidence, but that it remains contested on legitimate grounds, where as "myth" asserts already that it is factually untrue. Any opposition to replacing the term "myth" with "claim"? Troutfang (talk) 14:16, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

There is no need to change it. It is not a widely held scholarly position — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.9.254.195 (talk) 13:34, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

"Margarita de Castro e Souza, a 15th-century Portuguese noblewoman who traced her ancestry to King Afonso III of Portugal (1210–1279) and one of his mistresses, Madragana (c. 1230–?), was from a "black branch of the Portuguese Royal House"" this appears to be the only real evidence, even if Madragana was black African, possible but statistically unlikely, after 5 centuries she would be one among something in the order of up to a million potential ancestors of Charlotte (assuming a generation is 25 years). We enter "no true scotsman" territory, if due to severe inbreeding and other sources of admixture (all speculative) she was by a miracle 0.1% black rather than 0.0001%, would she be black? It would not be in good faith to treat it like a legitimate claim, whether in light of the recent TV show or diversity or any other reason. If you want to attack someone, why attack people who hold to academic standards? Why pit diversity against it when there are real life equivalents like Alexander Pushkin and Alexandre Dumas fully supported by people who value facts and the truth and will never yield? 2A00:23C7:69A6:D01:7CBD:767D:2745:83D9 (talk) 12:40, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

African ancestry myth

It could be pointed out that an ancestor 15 generations before would be expected to contribute on the order of 2^-15 or 0.003% to an individuals DNA. If related to that ancestor by three lines, still only about 0.01%. It is unlikely that Charlotte could have inherited enough genetic information from Madragana to make her reckognizably "Negroid", even if Madragana was full-blooded subsaharn African. I believe DNA tests on people of supposedly "pure" European descent ususally show significantly more than 0.01% African. Compunded by the subsequent generations, it is highly unlikely that a DNA test on a modern descendant of Queen Charlotte could resolve this controversy. Eaberry (talk) 15:59, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

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