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Revision as of 23:17, 13 February 2005 by Alex '05 (talk | contribs) (→Chrawat and Karpa, hmm...)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)The city of Vác (Vacz in the text) is about 200km away from the Bakony mountain. So if Vác is OK., then the mountain's name is Börzsöny (or Pilis?), If the Bakony mountain is OK, then the name of the city is Veszprém. i will look after. Janos
Miles and meters looks awkward on the same page, especially abbreviation "m." looks confusing - meters or miles. Since Carpathian mountians are in Europe I would propose to use meters-kilometers, maybe also miles in brackets.
- Should perhaps the lunar mountain range be given a separate article? Same with various other lunar geographical features which are named for terrestrial ones and/or philosophers, scientists... --Brion 08:25 Oct 4, 2002 (UTC)
- Some of them should be fairly easy to disambiguate, eg. Copernicus crater. But I'm not sure what to do about the Carpathian Mountains, both features have the same name and are the same sort of thing. Fortunately, there probably won't be very extensive information about any of the mountain ranges on the Moon available at this time. Bryan
- Lunar Carpathian Mountains? Carpathian Mountains (Moon)? --Brion 08:54 Oct 4, 2002 (UTC)
- I'd go with the second (Moon) one, for consistancy. Bryan
Origin of the term 'Carpathian' ?
- The name is derived from the Slavonic word Chrb, which means mountain-range.
That's silly. The Dacian tribe of carps is closer phonetically and they lived in these mountains (the eastern slopes, in current Eastern Moldavia) long before the slavs arrived. Bogdan 20:34, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- "...the Indo-European word "korpata" which means mountain or rock." There is no such Indo-European word or root, is there? The google hits all refer to this statement here at Misplaced Pages (not aiding our credibility). "Korpata" appears through google only on Slavic-language sites. What's up? Can we correct this? Wetman 19:26, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Of course Korpata is the Slavic version, but it is based on an Indo-european root (probably something like "krpa"). It also appears in some non-Slavic languages, more exactly some Indian languages. I saved this information somewhere but I can't find find it right now. I'll post it tomorrow. OK ? Bogdan | Talk 20:57, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
There is attested a Cuman word 'kerpic' that meant 'baked brick'. Just thought I'd throw another one in the pot. No connection implied. Decius 04:48, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- The name of the Carpathians was used long time before the Cumans came. Anyway, it is pretty silly to name some mountains "the Brick Mountains". On the other side, the Rocky Mountains is a pretty common name. Bogdan | Talk 11:50, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I agree. I just wanted to add another word. Decius 21:05, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The term 'Carpathian' surely is directly linked to the name of the Carpi tribe. It's interesting though that there was an Aegean island named 'Karpathos'. Decius 04:51, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The old Czech word 'chrb' (hill, small hill, not 'mountain range') was also found as 'chrib', and there is in fact a place name formed from this word, but the name is Chribska, which is a far-cry from Carpathian. The Slavic idea is so scientifically worthless and ethnocentric that it should never again be mentioned in this or any other factual article. Decius 05:14, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Slightly off topic but I saw it mentioned that Armenian may be related to Thracian: despite the unfounded speculations of some individuals in the early half of the 20th century, there is no evidence of Thracian being close to Armenian, and I've looked at the table of PIE>Armenian sound-changes, and there is no way that those sound-changes could correspond with Dacian or Thracian. Looking at Thracian words and Romanian substratum words, it is obvious that the Romanian substratum words (and almost all the Thracian) have little relation or no relation to Armenian. Decius 05:30, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Unless I'm mistaken, there is no such Indo-European root as *krpa, and the closest thing I found is *Kar, meaning 'hard' (from which comes Greek 'karuon'=nut; and English 'hard'). Decius 05:37, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- BTW, what is there a PIE root for Latin "crepare" (>Rom. "crăpa") = to crack ? Bogdan | Talk 11:50, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
My reference says Latin crepare is from PIE *Ker (listed as *Ker number 2, there being other Ker roots of different meaning). The root is defined as "an echoing root, base of various derivatives indicating loud noises or birds". Latin corvus is also from this root. Decius 21:15, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
A possibility I thought of (just to add to the list): there is an Indo-European root *kwerp, which meant 'twisted, turned', from which comes such words as ancient Greek karpos (wrist). Maybe the Carpathians were the 'the twisted, or turning mountains', because as you can see from the map the mountain chain makes a turn in Romania. Who knows. Decius 22:04, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Chrawat and Karpa, hmm...
As Chrawat, it was first applied to the inhabitants of the region, whence it passed in the form Krapat or Karpa as the name of the mountain range. -- i'd say this is garbage, should be in quarantine -- Criztu 12:26, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- It appears to be from the 1911 Britannica and it this word does not seem to be mentioned anywhere else on the internet. Bogdan | Talk 12:59, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Chrawat people? They surely mean the Harvats/Chrowats (many spellings occuring), the ancestors of the Croats . The popular idea (and probably correct) about the Harvats is that they were originally Iranian, and became Slavicized, like the Bulgars. According to a map, in 1000 ad there was a Chrowat kingdom in the area of what is now roughly southern Poland. I seriously doubt they would have given their name, or would have named, the Carpathian mountains, because I know of no movement from 'chrowat'>'carpath' (though there is a spelling 'charvat' found, which might yield 'charbat'). There are many family names, such as 'krobath' that are said to derive from 'chrowat'. I also found a German with the name Robert Chrawat, so some of his ancestors were Chrowats. Decius 22:43, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)