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Policy Is is tone of this article too anti? Kyle has a bad historyy, yes, but has since renounced it. Most of what the author calls racial violence he has renounced, and has since admitted as more probably alcohol fuelled violence. Kyle has frequently worked with skinheads, as a social worker trying to integrate them back into the "community" away from racial violence and gangs. He has been open about his past and does not support racial violence now, or so his broadcasts on ZB indicate. I wouldn't exactly call him a far right skinhead, i honestly think he's been "Watered down" a bit from that noiw with his entry into mainstream politics.

Fair enough, I suppose. I've reworded the bit about Chapman somewhat. It still mentions the allegations, but only as "critics claim..." rather than as a factual statement. It also presents Chapman's reply - that the claims were exaggerated, and that he's moved away from that sort of thing anyway. Does that look more unbiased, now? -- Vardion 04:36, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

that was quick!

i'd expect this page to get a few more hits over the next 12 months anyway. do you live in christchurch? he's ruunning for mayor here which is giving him a lot more exposure... he's just about to go for a live debate on ZB about another of his extremist measures, vigilante patrols or something.

No, I'm not in Christchurch, but I'll be following Chapman's progress as best I can. I've added a mention of his candidacy to the short Kyle Chapman page itself. I noticed the business about vigilante patrols, too - the police didn't seem to react very positively. Perhaps the patrols can be mentioned in the article, if they get started up on any significant scale. -- Vardion 05:43, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

cheers

My web-browser setup doesn't let me edit/add to articles easily, so i'll have to leave that one up to you. I've only worked ouot how to post comments only. Hopefully if this article gains more attention you can find more contributers too.

A CORRECTION FROM ANTON FOLJAMBE:

Your article on the New Zealand National Front says that the organization was formed by me in 1996. This is not correct. The NF was first formed by Brian Thompson of Ashburton in 1968. It came and went a couple of times through the 70s and 80s. My then organization, the Conservative Front, took over the name in 1989. I remained leader until resigning from the party in 1997. While I formed a new party, the National Democrats, the NF continued on in a very small way. It took off again when Kyle Chapman assumed the leadership, and is now more successful than ever. I have since rejoined in a backseat capacity.

Anton Foljambe 24.10.04.

A few points: Why is the article placed in the catagory of "Neo-Nazi parties"? Misplaced Pages says: "The Neo-Nazi movement is identified by devotion to Adolf Hitler, the national insignia of Nazi Germany (e.g. the swastika), and other features specific to Germany from the period 1933 to 1945." Yet neither of these are valid for the New Zealand National Front which is purely New Zealand centric movement.

The NZNF might have descibed itself as "the front line of European colonists" at one stage, I don't know, but on its web-site it now describes itself as "the leading organisation in New Zealand concerned with the preservation and advancement of unique New Zealand European culture." Perhaps an update is in order.

Chapman quote

If anyone has a verifiable source for a quote from Chapman about "police action" then please provide it. The quote does not appear in the NZ Herald articles. Thanks, -Willmcw 02:54, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Any source for the "Rent-a-crowd" comment? If not, it should be removed. -Willmcw 04:51, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the police described it as a "rent-a-crowd" protest, as quoted on the TV1 News report, october 23rd. Ask TVNZ for a copy of the report from their national archives. As for the other two edits, the NF were surrounded for over 2 hours, against the fence, and again in the train station.. before finaly escaping in assorted cars. Cale olsen was "seriously wounded" and required several stitches, ask the police for the same version. I am reverting to my previous edit as a result. - Molloy

You need to provide evidence for your claims, not just say "look it up" or "ask the police". By the way "serious wounds" require more than a few stitches. Jayjg 05:35, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

v. sourced, sourc·ing, sourc·es v. tr. To specify the origin of (a communication); document.

I have provided a source for the "rent-a-crowd" statement, don't claim it is non-existent because you are either to lazy or to ignorant to look it up. The news report reads: "..The National Front was opposed today by what the police describes as a rent-a-crowd protest, some of whom are wearing masks... "

I will relent to your argument against the "serious wounds" quote, but the "surrounded" edit will stand, as it is non-debatable. - Molloy

You've asserted that a source exists. That isn't the same as providing it. As you're the one who wants to include the quote, the onus is on you to provide (provide, not assert the existence of) the proof. -- Vardion 23:46, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)