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There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. UserNumber (talk) 17:33, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, UserNumber. Sorry I haven't commented in the ANI thread. I don't feel like there's anything quite actionable there, though that user can be a bit of a pain to be dealing with. I'd agree with Austronesier that there might be some CIR at play, and the person may need to have aspects of wikipedia patiently explained to them. That may not be necessary – I don't think it's likely their current enthusiasm will carry them for much longer. But if they do go on, and repeat actions that have already been explained to them as being unhelpful, then some sort of sanction will be necessary (probably may be easier to go the route of WP:AE). – Uanfala (talk) 15:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

That's fine, I just sent the notice out just in case you were unaware. UserNumber (talk) 18:21, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Punjab literal translation change

Hello, I noticed your change on literal translation of the article Punjab, Pakistan, please keep in mind that Punjab is made of two words, Punj (five) and aab (waters) in Persian. Therefore making it "Five Waters". Please read more about this before you make an uneducated change.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2400:ADC5:175:FA00:3DB2:C195:2EBE:8314 (talk) 07:35, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Trouted

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: YOUR REASON HERE 2400:ADC5:175:FA00:3DB2:C195:2EBE:8314 (talk) 07:36, 16 June 2021 (UTC) Punjab's literal translation is "Five Waters" from Punj (five) aab (waters) please keep in mind befor you make a change. Punjab, Pakistan

The point of my removal was not to challenge the well known origin of the name. At the very least, this is explained at length in the first section of the article. My point was that this is the source of the name, not its contemporary meaning. When someone says they live in the province of Punjab, they don't normally then have an image in their head of being among five rivers. That's why passing off the etymology as a literal meaning is misleading. However, the etymology can be mentioned in the lead section of the article, but it's not significant enough to be included in the very first sentence. – Uanfala (talk) 13:25, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Special:MobileDiff/1028347010

Just to clarify, why I removed that portion is because there was ‘more details on this in subsequent lines’ as I stated in my edit summary. Since it was unsourced, I took this as an opportunity to be bold. I still feel that that introduction is pretty needless here. Anyways, cheers! ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 12:28, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Oh yeah, the text in the "Subgroups" section repeats the broad observations of the immediately preceding section: "Theories". You're right, that's unnecessary. It does give some examples though, and even though they can otherwise be gleaned from the subsequent big table, I think it's still helpful if they're noted in the text as well. – Uanfala (talk) 13:14, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Merya

Hi. I swapped Merya and Merya people as requested. I'm having an issue with Wikidata though; as evidenced by the error now seen at Merya people, the Wikidata entry for the Merya people is still linked to Merya. When I try to change it to Merya people in Wikidata, it won't let me, saying that Volga Finns is already connected to a Wikidata item. But Merya redirects there too, and that's apparently not a problem. Do you by any chance know how to solve this? Lennart97 (talk) 19:38, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

New to wiki editing

The mistakes were made with the names and publication year of the book. Also, wasn't familiar with the wiki user interface.

Links:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B096Y6BSV7/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=tanvir+ratul&qid=1623876539&sr=8-11

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B096XVQ8GM/ref=sr_1_12?dchild=1&keywords=tanvir+ratul&qid=1623876584&sr=8-12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lastbench (talk • contribs) 20:52, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Yup, they're available on Amazon. Only there. Otherwise unnoticed. And "University Press Liverpool" reminds of "Made as Italy" on "branded" shoes sold in Indonesian markets :) –Austronesier (talk) 18:32, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Your revert of Mesha (month) was undone

Your revert of Mesha (month) was undone. Again you are using the same tactics in Vrishabha, the next month after Mesha. That is very evident is that you are vandalizing. Please refrain. Crashed greek (talk) 04:06, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Again, you're free to start an RM for the page you would like to move. – Uanfala (talk) 13:20, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Fs interlinear

Template:Fs interlinear as special formatting for some languages, but Tibetan is not one of them. I think it should, considering that Tibetan is default shown as too small, and has a special template just for fixing that. I can't figure how how/where to add that though, and since you're the main editor behind Template:Fs interlinear and Module:Interlinear I thought you might know. (And for context, I set up the glosses on Modern Standard Tibetan grammar using the template.) --Eievie (talk) 22:18, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

I've replied at Template talk:Fs interlinear. Incidentally, I'm soliciting suggestions about a new name for that template. – Uanfala (talk) 23:14, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Trout me, I guess

Regarding Special:Diff/1035666623, I have no clue what happened there. Thanks for fixing it for me. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:00, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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Misinformation

Why are you keep changing it to Indian when i just explained to you how he is Pakistani. Would you be Okay if Pakistan starts claiming Ashoka as Pakistani since he actually made Taxila its capital which is in Pakistan. I don’t understand why is it so hard for you to acknowledge the origins of where they’re from. Just like the history on Indian side would be considered Indian, History on Pakistani side would be considered Pakistani Insha22 (talk) 11:41, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

False information and errors

Why did you remove Hindko as a modern day dialect of Prakrit when Hindko literally came from Prakrit? I literally added a source on the history of Hindko language and Hindkowans. Why are you making false errors and putting misinformation? You do know that Hindkowans are native people of kpk aka descendents of Gandhara. What’s bothering you so much about their history being put with their civilization? Insha22 (talk) 11:49, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Stop Indian washing the history

I’m literally a Gandharan. Why are you Indian washing my history. I’m literally from Charsadda which is one of the capitals of Gandhara civilization. You are coming on all the Pakistani history pages to Indian wash our history. If i see it again, I’ll have to report you. Leave my history alone coming from a Gandharan itself. Insha22 (talk) 11:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

FYI: I've requested semi-PP (manually, twinkle has a bug). –Austronesier (talk) 12:43, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

My apology

I'm sorry; I did look at the {{annotated link}} documentation prior to employing the template, but misread it. Thanks for pointing out my error! JoergenB (talk) 12:38, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

No problem: that happens. The system of rules and guidelines around dab pages is so convoluted by now that probably nobody knows it all :) – Uanfala (talk) 12:57, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Undid revision

Hi, I noticed that my edit in Gandhara was reverted. I restored former information since this was written since the beggining of the article and I realized that I removed it. I changed the same edits that were made by me a month ago. Maues768 (talk) 14:43, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed you weren't the original contributor of that bit. If I'm not mistaken, you've added the Iranica article, and that's a good source. – Uanfala (talk) 13:47, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that's me. I have seen just now that my edits provoked disputes after. I restored some information that was removed by me and changed my own edits, but it was undone by you. Maues768 (talk) 14:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the "disputes" here all came from one very disruptive user, who as a result managed to get himself blocked. Your removal of that text was definitely the right call. Blog posts are not reliable sources, especially not for tricky questions like the relationship between certain ancient and modern-day languages. For that, we'd need a good source, for example, a paper published in a reputable linguistics journal. – Uanfala (talk) 19:47, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

If you check the revision history carefully, you can see that I made an edit a month ago and I removed information regarding the derived Indo-Aryan languages surrounding Gandhara and that was staten since long time ago, I removed that without noticing. The source attached there before I removed that was written in Pashto. It's pretty obvious that languages like Hindko and Kohistani are native to this region before Pashtun tribes settled there, what else do you think, are Bengali, Marathi or Bihari derived from there. Regarding the revision history, I don't know why are you so concerned about this. I see that's been discussed in Gandhara talk page but let's discuss it here with @LearnIndology: and reach to a solution. Maues768 (talk) 00:25, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Edits to Phonics

Hi. I appreciate your help with the Phonics article. However, I am puzzled by your removal of arabic as an example of an alphabetic language. I am not a linguist, however, the articles on Alphabet and Arabic both refer to the "arabic alphabet". I included the examples because I feel many English readers only think of the Roman alphabet. Can you please explain more about why Arabic does not belong? Thanks. John NH (talk) 18:11, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, I kept Russian as an example of a language with a non-Latin writing system. As for Arabic, its writing system is an abjad rather than an alphabet, though that's in the narrower sense of 'alphabet'. In the broader sense of the word, it's not incorrect to say that Arabic is written using an alphabet. If you would like to reinstate that mention, I'll have no objections. – Uanfala (talk) 18:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your courtesy and the explanation, I certainly learned something. I will reinstate Arabic because there appears to be an entire industry devoted to teaching Arabic using phonics. I will also add a reference. Cheers, John NH (talk) 15:36, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

WP:ROPE

I have drafted an alternative version of this essay at User:Cullen328/sandbox/One last chance and invite your input. Cullen Let's discuss it 23:03, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation

Why have you opened a sockpuppet investigation about me when i'm just trying to help? 1IfYouSaySo (talk) 14:17, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Don't worry about that. If you're unrelated to the banned editor, then you'll be easily cleared at SPI and you won't have any negative consequences. You remain innocent unless proven otherwise, so happy editing! – Uanfala (talk) 14:33, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For digging up data from the clickstream and presenting it in a convenient manner at pretty much every applicable RM. It's hard to express how much time and effort this has saved me (and I'm sure many other editors too). Elli (talk | contribs) 19:50, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh, thank you. And I'm grateful to you and the few other RM regulars who have started taking that data into account, and to Certes, who was the first to bring it to the attention of everyone here. – Uanfala (talk) 20:53, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

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WP:DABRED

Hi, i refer to your edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mosolovo&oldid=prev&diff=1046182144). Maybe i'm missing something, but WP:DABRED says to include a red link in a disambiguation page only if it is linked from another page (that isn't a disambiguation page). I did only what was recommended in WP:G14. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:57, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824: Mosolovo was never a disambiguation page. It was created as an SIA (set index article). Different rules apply to SIAs. BD2412 T 06:13, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Right, my bad then. Thanks for pointing it out. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, that's not a dab page, but I believe that making a distinction between dabs and sias in this case isn't much helpful. Regardless of what we decide to call this page, all the links are for notable places, and their existence can in principle be easily checked by comparing with either the corresponding Russian-language page, or looking up on a maps service. The entries are therefore all appropriate even if they happen not to have any other incoming links (the DABRED rule quoted above is really only a proxy for notability and verifiability, and these are both satisfied directly). – Uanfala (talk) 12:38, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Woah!

Thanks so much for this! I have absolutely no idea what happened there – I tried to comment, had an EC, stopped, tried again with the same comment on a new edit. I can't see what can have caused that (caching somewhere???) but I wish I had checked ... you don't normally expect, though, to see that my addition is someone else's removal! So, many thanks again for putting it right so nicely and promptly. Cheers DBaK (talk) 23:46, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

That's not a problem, these things happen from time to time. I hope I've moved the comment to where it was intended to be, though that's worth double-checking. – Uanfala (talk) 00:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

October 2021

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How did you do that?

How did you get this data? VR _talk 00:12, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

That's from the clickstream dataset, you can read about it at meta:Research:Misplaced Pages clickstream. I'm not aware of any easy interface to that data yet. You'll have to go to https://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/clickstream/, choose the month you're interested in and then download the respective enwiki file. When unarchived, it's around 1.5 GB in size, so can be a bit slow to handle. It's a tsv file: basically plain text. It's relatively easy to query from the command line, but it can also be opened in a plain text editor (like Notepad, presumably), or imported into a spreadsheet processor (like MS Excel). – Uanfala (talk) 00:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

That worked, thanks! VR _talk 12:57, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Elli, VR, people have now developed WikiNav, which makes clickstream data a lot more accessible. – Uanfala (talk) 23:31, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

You have just made my enormous text file searching skills useless! No, just kidding. This is great. Thanks! VR _talk 23:52, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Re:Human arts

Hi User:Uanfala, thanks for letting me know. Since you don't normally edit articles related to medicine, would you be able to inform me how you came across that redirect? I look forward to hearing from you. With regards, Anupam 02:38, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

On second thought, I remind myself of WP:AGF. As such, there is no need to answer my question. Happy editing, Anupam 03:15, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

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Rosa pendulina

If the sourcing in an article is insufficient, but all the information is consistent with what you've read about the topic, removing the information is probably not the best solution, don't you think? It might be argued that you are attempting to coerce editors into putting sources into articles. Perhaps a citation needed tag would be more appropriate? Abductive (reasoning) 17:17, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

I haven't removed any information or sources. I was just pointing out that the source didn't seem to support the statement it was cited for. I pinged you because you've added the source so you may know better. Was it an older version of the web page? Or is the relevant information still there, and it's only that I can't see it? Or maybe you originally meant to cite something else instead? – Uanfala (talk) 18:35, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah, you just moved it lower down, my bad. Abductive (reasoning) 19:08, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

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Edit summary ping

Hello, Uanfala. I saw your edit summary on WP:RFD and wanted to let you know, yes, that was an error. Apparently, I didn’t know how to use the template at first and copy-pasted the “QRNG” template instead, editing “QRNG” out. But, it looks like it found its way in there. :P I’ll have to figure out how to use a template next time… feel free to trout me. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — SANDBOXES — LOGS — 23:46, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Ah, that must have been laborious. It's probably easiest to nominate using Twinkle, but if you'd rather do it by hand, you can see how at Template:Rfd2 (the same information is also present in an html comment at the top of each daily log at RfD) – this is still much simpler than re-using the convoluted code that the template produces on substitution. – Uanfala (talk) 23:55, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

User Gotitbro

I'll respond here instead of Gotitbro's talk page as I don't want to stir up another argument there. I appreciate your comment. I can accept that some of the warnings could be bogus, but it's quite clear if you look closely that not all of them are bogus. And the two blocks certainly aren't bogus. But I'll leave this issue alone unless something new arises. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 01:33, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Template:Samsung phones

Hi Uanfala, I noticed this edit to {{Samsung phones}}, removing the link to Samsung SGH-A167, citing in the edit summary "rm Samsung SGH-A167: article doesn't exist anymore". I'm thinking that this might be a mistake, so I have reinstated the previous version, as the article in question does still seem to exist.

If I made a mistake, or misunderstood, I apologize! I figured I'd drop you a note to make sure I'm not missing anything. SQL 12:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

At that point the article had been converted to a redirect (with a fair chance of getting deleted), but now it's been restored and sent to AfD. Yeah, better keep the link for now, in case the article survives. – Uanfala (talk) 13:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Alyssoides

Hello, Uanfala,

This may seem small but it is easiest for admins if you make requests like this using Twinkle. You just go to the page you want deleted and usurpted, select CSD from the drop down Twinkle menu and select G6 Move. There is a field where you put the name of the page you want to move over. Then, the admin can, with one click, delete the page and do the move. It's very quick and straightforward. Doing this just might cause your requests to be acted on more quickly. Thanks! Liz 04:29, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Ah, that's equivalent to using {{db-move}}, right? I should have thought of that, thanks for the suggestion! – Uanfala (talk) 17:13, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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Happy New Year to you as well. Nice fireworks! – Uanfala (talk) 17:04, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Fourraea alpina; titles for monotypic genera

Articles covering a monotypic genus and it's only species should use the genus name as the title, not the binomial. See WP:MONOTYPICFLORA and WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA. This isn't consistently followed for some animals groups (fish, beetles), but is very consistently followed for plants. There is an exception when the genus name needs disambiguation, which makes it rather complicated. It would've been better in my opinion to use the binomial as the preferred title in cases of monotypy, but that's not how things ended up (another consideration is that editors working on fossil organisms cover all species in an article about the genus, and many fossil genera are also monotypic). Plantdrew (talk) 22:35, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm aware of the advice in the guidelines and I've been following it so far. In the case of Fourraea alpina I chose not to for two reasons. There appears to have been some uncertainty over whether the species should be in a genus of its own, and given that the current views may change again, I thought we would have a more stable article if it were cast as being about the species. And there's also the fact that the corresponding articles on the other Wikipedias are all about the species, so if ours was instead about the genus then we would have to to either make do without interwiki links or connect the article to the "wrong" Wikidata item. I believe that considerations like that should generally outweigh any benefits of the currently preferred system, but I don't know much about what those benefits are. What are they really? Sure, genera have shorter names, which makes for more concise titles, which is always good. But doesn't that convention effectively elevate a more or less arbitrary human construct (a taxonomic rank) over what is arguably a given, existing out there in the world (the species)? – Uanfala (talk) 23:19, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Plantdrew, I see that you have had the page moved. – Uanfala (talk) 17:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)