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In the heart of Nablus, the biblical Shechem located about 40 miles north of Jerusalem, Palestinians took control of Joseph's Tomb after days of fierce fighting. Under the Oslo Accords, the tomb was considered a holy site where Jewish young men were to be allowed to pray and study the Torah. After the takeover last October, Muslims immediately converted Joseph's Tomb into a mosque, complete with a freshly painted green dome.

The Muslim Public Affairs Council, while siding with the Palestinian peoples right to defend their land and Al-Aqsa Mosque, condemns the demolition of Joseph's Tomb that took place on Saturday, October 7. The destruction of any house of worship violates the principle of preserving the sanctity of synagogues, temples, mosques or churches (see Quran 22:40).

Joseph, sheikh yousef & Guy Montags reverts

The article currently states:"Joseph’s Tomb is a shrine in Ancient Shechem in the West Bank. It is traditionally considered to be the burial place of the Biblical patriarch Joseph and is located in Nablus city. Joseph's body was taken from Egypt during the Exodus and later reinterred in Shechem."

The article before Guy Montags reverts stated: "Joseph’s Tomb is a shrine near Nablus city in West Bank, it is traditionally considered to be the burial place of the Biblical patriarch Joseph and is located in the Samarian city of Shechem.Many archeologists believe that the site is a few centuries old and possibly containing the remains of a Muslim sheikh named Yossef. According to the Jewish texts, Joseph's body was taken from Egypt during the Exodus and later reinterred in Shechem (Joshua 24:32)."

In my edits on 4th of september, i changed the following details:

  • "is a shrine near Nablus city" instead of "in Ancient Shechem in the West Bank"
    • i did this because i dispute that it is located _IN_ Ancient Shechem, why? read further.
  • "and is located in the Samarian city of Shechem.Many archeologists believe that the site is a few centuries old and possibly containing the remains of a Muslim sheikh named Yossef" instead of "and is located in Nablus city"
    • i did that because according to the context, being located in samaria is the traditional consederation! (who's tradition, i didn't touch that topic).
    • Yousef is indeed the arabic spelling for joseph, but Sheikh Yousef is defenetly not Joseph the patriarch. in arabic texts, sheikh was never associated with Joseph, since Joseph in Arabic Christian & Islamic texts is a prophet or patriarch, not a sheikh!

So, i belive that the version that was before Guy Montag reverted is a more objective one! AFAIK no one disputes the fact that Joseph's Tomb is near the current location of nablus city! but is it in Ancient Shechem? ie is it a part of the Ancient Shechem? the jewish virtual library says that there exist a subset of archologists who belive the site is only a few centuries old :) ! and thus being the tomb of patriarch joseph and being _IN_ Ancient Shechem is disputed!

The Palestinians' gun-fire

From the entry: "On May, 2007, the Breselov hasidim visited the site for the first time in two years and prayed under gun-fire from the Palestinians." From the source: "A Palestinian gunman opened fire at the escorting troops during the service and soldiers fired back, hitting the gunman."

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@Mathmo: this article is subject to 1RR and discretionary sanctions. Please self-revert, as you have just crossed 1RR.

As to your edit comment: WP:RS links to WP:NEWSBLOG "These may be acceptable sources if the writers are professionals, but use them with caution because blogs may not be subject to the news organization's normal fact-checking process". The Times of Israel writes "The opinions, facts and any media content in them are presented solely by the authors, and neither The Times of Israel nor its partners assume any responsibility for them."

If the statement in your edit about the 2019 bomb is true, it should be straightforward to find a better source. Onceinawhile (talk) 13:27, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I was following well within the normal 3RR guide! Apologies for my oversight, I will fix that now. Mathmo 03:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 April 2022

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A few days later the tomb was renovated during an Israeli incursion.

Thank you!--221.189.44.47 (talk) 00:26, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. "Vandalized site of Joseph's Tomb restored in rare daytime operation". The Times of Israel. 13 April 2022. Retrieved 21 April 2022.

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this blog, this article is "is detailed and well-presented". :) It list some sources which are not used, as of now, though. Including Tawfiq Canaan, Huldra (talk) 23:57, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

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