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ARBPIA disruptive behavior by Dan Palraz   30 January 2023 0/0/0
[[Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case#My Wiki name is Bejrisch. I live in You Bet, California and chair the Nevada County Historical Landmarks Commission. For about the last 10 years, I have been flushing out the stubs on Misplaced Pages for Nevada County historic mining communities that are now ghost towns. So far I have posted about 25 histories. Recently, a new editor started taking them down. This is the message he sent me and the reply I sent him.

"Please refrain from making test edits in Misplaced Pages pages, such as those you made to Iceland, California, even if you intend to fix them later. Your edits have been reverted. If you would like to experiment again, please use your sandbox. So, I reverted you here also. First of all, you removed ALL the sourced information that was there, information that was valid and properly formatted and verified. Second, besides the formatting problems (with how articles should look, how references are done, etc.) you are adding too much chatter, and the writing needs to be much more on point and more economical. Drmies (talk) 19:41, 25 November 2022 (UTC)"

"I don't fully understand your comments. I have been posting histories about Nevada County for many years and this is the first complaint I have received. I don't know what it means to make test edits. I certainly did not intend to do that. I have never worked in a sandbox. I usually remove some of the abbreviated information in the existing histories since the invitation is to flush the stubs out. And information that is there is not always historically correct. I'm not sure what to say about the formatting problems since I am using Misplaced Pages format and as I said, this is the first complaint I've received after about 20 or 30 posts. I don't know what you mean about chatter and everything that I write has a footnote to its source. I would like to keep going, but if you're not satisfied,let me know and I'll stop posting to Misplaced Pages Bejrisch (talk) 19:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)" I have also tried getting assistance from a volunteer but to no avail. I would like the histories I posted to be restored and to be permitted to post several more that I have written.


Maximum of 500 words (you can use http://www.wordcounter.net/ to check). You should use diffs and links to support the case you are making, and try to convince the arbitrators that the dispute requires their intervention. You are not trying to exhaustively prove your case at this time; if your case is accepted for arbitration, an evidence page will be created that you can use to provide more detail.


  • ATTENTION:*
  • Once you have entered all required information into this template, preview and then save it. It will place the request in a new section at the bottom of Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case.
  • You must inform all parties that they have been named in this request using <nowiki>{{subst:arbcom notice|CASENAME}}</nowiki>.
  • Once you have done this provide the diff of the notification in the area provided.

-->|My Wiki name is Bejrisch. I live in You Bet, California and chair the Nevada County Historical Landmarks Commission. For about the last 10 years, I have been flushing out the stubs on Misplaced Pages for Nevada County historic mining communities that are now ghost towns. So far I have posted about 25 histories. Recently, a new editor started taking them down. This is the message he sent me and the reply I sent him.

"Please refrain from making test edits in Misplaced Pages pages, such as those you made to Iceland, California, even if you intend to fix them later. Your edits have been reverted. If you would like to experiment again, please use your sandbox. So, I reverted you here also. First of all, you removed ALL the sourced information that was there, information that was valid and properly formatted and verified. Second, besides the formatting problems (with how articles should look, how references are done, etc.) you are adding too much chatter, and the writing needs to be much more on point and more economical. Drmies (talk) 19:41, 25 November 2022 (UTC)"

"I don't fully understand your comments. I have been posting histories about Nevada County for many years and this is the first complaint I have received. I don't know what it means to make test edits. I certainly did not intend to do that. I have never worked in a sandbox. I usually remove some of the abbreviated information in the existing histories since the invitation is to flush the stubs out. And information that is there is not always historically correct. I'm not sure what to say about the formatting problems since I am using Misplaced Pages format and as I said, this is the first complaint I've received after about 20 or 30 posts. I don't know what you mean about chatter and everything that I write has a footnote to its source. I would like to keep going, but if you're not satisfied,let me know and I'll stop posting to Misplaced Pages Bejrisch (talk) 19:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)" I have also tried getting assistance from a volunteer but to no avail. I would like the histories I posted to be restored and to be permitted to post several more that I have written.


Maximum of 500 words (you can use http://www.wordcounter.net/ to check). You should use diffs and links to support the case you are making, and try to convince the arbitrators that the dispute requires their intervention. You are not trying to exhaustively prove your case at this time; if your case is accepted for arbitration, an evidence page will be created that you can use to provide more detail.


  • ATTENTION:*
  • Once you have entered all required information into this template, preview and then save it. It will place the request in a new section at the bottom of Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case.
  • You must inform all parties that they have been named in this request using <nowiki>{{subst:arbcom notice|CASENAME}}</nowiki>.
  • Once you have done this provide the diff of the notification in the area provided.

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ARBPIA disruptive behavior by Dan Palraz

Initiated by Tombah (talk) at 10:44, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
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Dan Palraz has previously received warnings from myself and other editors regarding his disruptive behavior - for example: #1, #2, #3, and by an admin, Doug Weller, right here. However, each time he chooses to remove warnings as if nothing had occurred rather than responding and regretting his actions, often blanking his page (two examples: here and here). The fact that he had been blocked twice in the past (block 1, block 2) did not change his behavior.

Statement by Tombah

Dan Palraz has been exhibiting what I see to be extremely disruptive conduct and agenda-pushing on ARBPIA matters for a considerable amount of time. He is often edit warring to push his own viewpoints: - Six Day War: see #1, #2, #3, #4, #5 - White phosphorus munitions: see #1, #2#3 - Judaean Desert: see #1, #2, #3, #4 - Ramot: see #1,#2, #3. In addition to the obvious edit-warring, he occasionally refuses to leave edit summaries despite repeated requests (see here and here), and when he does, he often just mentions the minor changes rather than the major ones (see this edit for example, while claiming to only update the population, he removed a large chunk of information from the article).

Additionally, he moves pages without any discussion, despite the fact that it is undoubtedly required in those cases. - Rock-cut tombs in ancient Israel was moved to Rock-cut tombs in ancient Palestine (Jan 29) - Ring Neighborhoods, Jerusalem was moved to Ring Settlements, East Jerusalem

Me and other editors have warned him about his disruptive behavior previously (for example: #1, #2, #3, and by an admin, Doug Weller, right here), but each time he chooses to remove warnings as if nothing had occurred rather than responding and regretting his actions, often blanking his page (two examples: here and here). The fact that he had been blocked twice in the past (block 1, block 2) did not change his behavior.

While it is true that ARBPIA is a heated subject and that everyone who writes about it has opinions and feelings on it, which occasionally may result in emotional behavior (as most those involved, myself included, sometimes do), to me it is clear from Dan's editing that he is not here to advance Misplaced Pages but rather to advance his own views at all costs because he completely rejects the platform's rules.

    • @Guerillero: Oh no. My mistake. This is my first arbitration request ever. It is not a single violation though, but more of a recurring behavior. Should we close this one and start an AE instead? Tombah (talk) 11:01, 30 January 2023 (UTC) Moved from Arb section, no content change. Primefac (talk) 11:43, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Statement by Dan Palraz

Statement by Selfstudier

It appears that this filing should be at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement and not here. 10:50, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Statement by Nishidani

I can't post at AE, but I assume a note here is okay. Tombah's complaint is that Palraz is engaged in 'agenda-pushing'. Tombah engages in 'agenda-pushing' all over the IP area, and does so, disruptively, on the Israel talk page where great effort by both parties to achieve a consensual balance has been disrupted in my view by pointlessly disruptive assertions that show little grasp of the literature as opposed to the official government line. I personally have no problem with agenda-pushing editors, as long as they (a) know the topic and (b) understand NPOV. Palraz certainly goes to great lengths to study the topic, which cannot be said of the complainant.Nishidani (talk) 12:56, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Statement by Callanecc

To save you the paperwork of refiling the evidence at AE, Tombah, I'm happy to take it from what you've presented here. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:20, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, newcomers may find this work to be quite challenging :). Tombah (talk) 11:35, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
@Tombah: Actually, it would be helpful if you could add the filing to AE please this is a little more complex than I first saw? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:49, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Almost forgot to update. Done, it can be found right here.

Statement by {Non-party}

Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.

ARBPIA disruptive behavior by Dan Palraz: Clerk notes

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ARBPIA disruptive behavior by Dan Palraz: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/0/0>

Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)

== My Wiki name is Bejrisch. I live in You Bet, California and chair the Nevada County Historical Landmarks Commission. For about the last 10 years, I have been flushing out the stubs on Misplaced Pages for Nevada County historic mining communities that are now ghost towns. So far I have posted about 25 histories. Recently, a new editor started taking them down. This is the message he sent me and the reply I sent him.

"Please refrain from making test edits in Misplaced Pages pages, such as those you made to Iceland, California, even if you intend to fix them later. Your edits have been reverted. If you would like to experiment again, please use your sandbox. So, I reverted you here also. First of all, you removed ALL the sourced information that was there, information that was valid and properly formatted and verified. Second, besides the formatting problems (with how articles should look, how references are done, etc.) you are adding too much chatter, and the writing needs to be much more on point and more economical. Drmies (talk) 19:41, 25 November 2022 (UTC)"

"I don't fully understand your comments. I have been posting histories about Nevada County for many years and this is the first complaint I have received. I don't know what it means to make test edits. I certainly did not intend to do that. I have never worked in a sandbox. I usually remove some of the abbreviated information in the existing histories since the invitation is to flush the stubs out. And information that is there is not always historically correct. I'm not sure what to say about the formatting problems since I am using Misplaced Pages format and as I said, this is the first complaint I've received after about 20 or 30 posts. I don't know what you mean about chatter and everything that I write has a footnote to its source. I would like to keep going, but if you're not satisfied,let me know and I'll stop posting to Misplaced Pages Bejrisch (talk) 19:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)" I have also tried getting assistance from a volunteer but to no avail. I would like the histories I posted to be restored and to be permitted to post several more that I have written.


Maximum of 500 words (you can use http://www.wordcounter.net/ to check). You should use diffs and links to support the case you are making, and try to convince the arbitrators that the dispute requires their intervention. You are not trying to exhaustively prove your case at this time; if your case is accepted for arbitration, an evidence page will be created that you can use to provide more detail.


  • ATTENTION:*
  • Once you have entered all required information into this template, preview and then save it. It will place the request in a new section at the bottom of Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case.
  • You must inform all parties that they have been named in this request using {{subst:arbcom notice|CASENAME}}.
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--> 

==

Initiated by Bejrisch (talk) at 01:06, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Involved parties


Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request


Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
  • Bejrisch (talk) 19:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)"

Statement by Bejrisch

Statement by {Non-party}

Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.

Case request by Bejrisch

My Wiki name is Bejrisch. I live in You Bet, California and chair the Nevada County Historical Landmarks Commission. For about the last 10 years, I have been flushing out the stubs on Misplaced Pages for Nevada County historic mining communities that are now ghost towns. So far I have posted about 25 histories. Recently, a new editor started taking them down. This is the message he sent me and the reply I sent him.

"Please refrain from making test edits in Misplaced Pages pages, such as those you made to Iceland, California, even if you intend to fix them later. Your edits have been reverted. If you would like to experiment again, please use your sandbox. So, I reverted you here also. First of all, you removed ALL the sourced information that was there, information that was valid and properly formatted and verified. Second, besides the formatting problems (with how articles should look, how references are done, etc.) you are adding too much chatter, and the writing needs to be much more on point and more economical. Drmies (talk) 19:41, 25 November 2022 (UTC)"

"I don't fully understand your comments. I have been posting histories about Nevada County for many years and this is the first complaint I have received. I don't know what it means to make test edits. I certainly did not intend to do that. I have never worked in a sandbox. I usually remove some of the abbreviated information in the existing histories since the invitation is to flush the stubs out. And information that is there is not always historically correct. I'm not sure what to say about the formatting problems since I am using Misplaced Pages format and as I said, this is the first complaint I've received after about 20 or 30 posts. I don't know what you mean about chatter and everything that I write has a footnote to its source. I would like to keep going, but if you're not satisfied,let me know and I'll stop posting to Misplaced Pages Bejrisch (talk) 19:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)" I have also tried getting assistance from a volunteer but to no avail. I would like the histories I posted to be restored and to be permitted to post several more that I have written.

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/0/0>-Case_request_by_Bejrisch">

Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)