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Euphemisms?

It's interesting how the article uses language almost euphemistically. "Expulsion" is used in place of where "ethnic cleansing" would be appropriate nearly every single time; Contrast with articles dealing with the Armenian Genocide which use "harsher" language more liberally, so to speak. This article has some major issues. User: Dehler 15:04, 14 January 2020

Expulsion is used when transfered people are guilty, ethnic cleansing when transfered people are innocent. The Sudeten Germans Flocked to Hitler - Herrenvolk und Lebensraum. They were guilty.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.15.218.62 (talk) 07:46, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

There is no such thing as collective guilt. It exists only in propaganda and such language displays inhumane thinking. And maybe you should do a little research on the Sudetendeutsche opposision to the Nazis and their fate. --93.203.105.178 (talk) 14:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Supposing there were enough of them remaining.
You should do a little research on the Sudetendeutsche opposision to the Nazis and their fate in Dachau concentration camp and elsewhere during the Nazi-German occupation of the democratic Czechoslovakia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.23.6.193 (talk) 14:52, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

It is claimed that Sudeten Germans expelled from Czechoslovakia were based on the concept of collective guilt. This is not true.
Almost every decree explicitely stated that the sanctions did not apply to anti-fascists.
About 90% of the German population of the Czech borderlands had supported the Nazi and affilation to Nazi-Germany. Some 280 000 Germans in Czechoslovakia remained Czechoslovak citizens after the transfer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.23.6.193 (talk) 15:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Between 1944 and 1948 about 31 million people

If we mention the population transfers, we should list also non-German nationalities. The context suggests the refugees were all German more or less.Xx236 (talk) 09:34, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

A very similar flight and expulstion of Italians is called an exodus (Istrian-Dalmatian exodus) and not mentioned in this text.Xx236 (talk) 09:38, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
This is a good idea. Likebeingawesome (talk) 01:28, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

The article has a distinct lack of mention and content about ethnic cleansing

This is an unambiguous case of ethnic cleansing of Germans/German-linked 'undesirables' from large swathes of Europe. The fact the German state of the time was itself a perpetrator of ethnic cleansing shouldn't be used as an excuse to downplay and ignore the obvious in this instance.

I would like to see the accurate description of this episode of ethnic cleansing recognised for what it is, more prominently.

The reasons not to are up there with the same 'rationale' behind downplaying/ignoring other such crimes as the Armenian Genocide, or ironically enough the Holocaust. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:A005:CA01:91DC:F403:2870:8A9C (talk) 13:02, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source that these events were ethnic cleansing as opposed to expulsion please edit the article accordingly. Independent reliable sources that are explicit will be required.
It meets the definition for ethnic cleansing perfectly, a group of "undesirable" people were removed from a place where they had lived for centuries. Using your logic someone should just put the dictionary definition of ethnic cleansing in the article. The rest of the contents will provide all the proof needed. Likebeingawesome (talk) 01:27, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Britmax (talk) 15:10, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

It's a different term for the same thing - "expulsion" is fine.50.111.51.247 (talk) 21:56, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
The general consensus is that the expulsions were regrettable, tragic and often mishandled - yet ultimately justified and for the future good of Europe.2A00:23C4:3E08:4000:E43A:5394:ED49:F1FA (talk) 20:54, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Please restrain yourself from posting such rubbish - especially without a claim to a Reliable Source (you won't find one) on the issue. 50.111.51.247 (talk) 21:54, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
There is not such general consensus.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:10, 19 January 2021 (UTC))
They were absolutely unjustified. Likebeingawesome (talk) 01:27, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

It was ethnic cleansing through and through. It's a good example of the old adage "it's not a war crime if you win". SouthernResidentOrca (talk) 05:52, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Ethnic cleansing of Czechs or Sudeten Germans? The conclusions of the Potsdam Conference were confirmed by its signatory states in 1996. The US government, said: "The decisions made at Potsdam ... were soundly based in international law. The conference conclusions have been endorsed many times since in various multilateral and bilateral contexts. ... The conclusions of Potsdam are historical fact and the United States is confident that no country wishes to call them into question". The Allied transfer of Sudeten Germans with Nazi-German citizenship was ultimately justified and for the future good of Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.23.6.193 (talk) 15:13, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

I think at least we should state that this was an act of ethnic cleansing in the heading. no matter if you think the expulsions where justified or not... By definition the expulsion of germans in this time peiriod, was an act of ethnic cleansing/genocide. clinsing.https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/ethnic-cleansing.shtml ] ] ] ] Sources calling the expalshan of germens in this time period ethnic clensing this event Genocide/Ethnic cleansing ] ] ] ] ] ] ] Zyxrq (talk) 03:52, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Genocide Denial

What's up with the genocide denial in this article? 2003:C0:F720:F000:389F:2BEB:D917:7561 (talk) 08:14, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Because this wasn't a genocide. Not even close. SinoDevonian (talk) 01:16, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
It was a genocide under the CPPCG which says that
any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical
destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Crainsaw (talk) 11:55, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

No one has denied Holocaust in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.15.223.133 (talk) 12:01, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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