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Question from DominciDiCelano (07:07, 11 September 2023)

Hello and thank you for helping. I have never edited anything and found zero info regarding a yearbook for a college in Utah and the yearbook is fascinating so I thought I'd add to your article on st Mary of the Wasatch college. But I didn't know about adding a reliable source so it was immediately removed. I spent some time adding the unfo and really don't want to do it again. Also my info came from a copy of the yearbook I wrote about and I cannot confirm the info any other way. Anyone could make this claim so I imagine I can't be considered a in "reliable source". If I was, my info wouldn't have been deleted in the 1st place But I understand completely. The site would be a mess and a joke if you allowed anyone to write anything Anyway, now that I've killed even more time I'll just thank you for the learning experience and won't waste time trying to edit Misplaced Pages or anything else for that matter. It's a shame because this yearbook is pretty amazing. If I'm wrong and you'd like the info submitted, please tell me how to do so and provide me with what to I wrote so I don't have to do it again. If you need pics of the yearbook showing the info I spoke of I can do that. I think it'd be good to have this documented. --DominciDiCelano (talk) 07:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

DominciDiCelano Hello right back at ya'! Welcome to Misplaced Pages. I hope you will not allow this unfortunate experience to prevent you from coming back. Misplaced Pages is a great place, but it is important to play by the rules while here! Let me explain.

The yearbook is the thing you want to write about, and that makes the yearbook the primary source on the yearbook, and WP editors do not use primary sources. That is largely because doing so would leave us each interpreting that primary source for ourselves, and that's what's called original work (OR) and that's not allowed on WP either. WP is not the place to vent your personal views or opinions. There are places for that. That place is not WP. I suggest a blog.

WP editors basically write research papers. You would need to find someone who - say, wrote a book on how to put together a quality yearbook - and yours was an example used in that source. That's a published secondary source. You would cite that book and the page numbers where your yearbook was mentioned, and you would summarize what they said about your book. You would need as many of those kinds of references that you could find: a biography of someone who worked on your yearbook, a compilation of yearbook writing stories, a textbook for journalists - anyone who mentions your book in any way. You would go to Google or Google Scholar and try every entry you can think of that might say anything about your yearbook.

If there is a conflicting opinion - someone who wrote that your yearbook is not really a good example because it does such and so - you should also include that dissenting view - and cite it and its page number and a summary of what is said.

Editing on WP is all about the research. We only use secondary sources. All OR will be deleted.

We write as objectively and as neutrally as possible. You have a personal opinion on the quality of this yearbook. In order to write about it on WP, you would have to set that aside and report only what the secondary sources say on it, whether you agreed or not. It isn't always easy to do, but if you don't, someone will call you on it and delete what you wrote as biased and non-neutral.

Those are the rules. There are administrators who deal with these things. Non-compliance can result in being banned from writing on WP at all. They have the ability to block your IP. I do not suggest putting your article back unless you do the research and find quality secondary sources first. But I do hope you will take the time to learn the "how-tos" of WP, will find areas of interest that you can research and learn about, and that you will come back and enjoy being here as much as I do. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I'm confused regarding providing a source but I think what you're saying is that my content needs to have been published somewhere in order to submit. But again, my info came from the fact that I own 2 years of the yearbook and thought your article would be improved if readers knew about the yearbooks existence. But I understand you can't publish something in this case.

Also I gave my opinion on the book which is understandably not allowed but the former reason is paramount and removing this wouldn't matter.

In any case this won't prevent me from coming back but it did prevent me from editing anything which isn't a loss for either wikipedia or myself. I wasted a lot of time trying to help but at least I now know not to do in the future, knowledge not exactly worth the time spent but life doesn't always work that way.

The Berry Basket yearbooks are fascinating and I hope they will be represented on your site someday.

Thanks again,

Dominic Perrotta

P.S. Since I won't be editing or doing anything else here that requires an account or me signing in I decided to delete my account but I spent a lot of time searching for info on this and finally found something that stated that accounts cannot be deleted. Is this really true? It seems absurd to me. While extremely unlikely and/or problem causing somebody could hack into a Misplaced Pages user account and the user would never know.

And vanishing is for published content I believe and doesn't delete the account. Am in missing something ornis my account truly unable to be deleted? DominciDiCelano (talk) 00:42, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. I've been out of town and disconnected. If you deleted your account there would be no way to explain this discussion here on my talk-page. If you posted anything anywhere while you had an account, that account must remain for WP to be able to keep track of who wrote what when - a necessity in dealing with an army of volunteers. I suggest posting Retired, contained by two curly brackets {{ on both sides, at the top of your user page and just deleting everything else. No one can steal your page/name as their IP will not match yours.

I'm sorry you've been so disappointed. Yes, everything referenced must be from published material - and not even all of that is usable. Surely you can understand the why's behind that. It is at least partly why WP is still alive and well, when all but one other online encyclopedia started at the same time have died.

I did a search for Berry Basket yearbooks and got a hodgepodge of stuff. I got Berry Alabama and Texas State and more, but it does show there might be some stuff out there. One was just a listing, but it's a published listing! I have no way of knowing if any of it is applicable.

Don't worry about wasting time, it's par for the course here. I often spend hours researching only to decide it's inapplicable. I started to create a page on a living person and got halfway through before realizing there just wasn't enough material to finish. If stuff like that discourages you, this is not the hobby for you. Hope you find something that is. Take care.Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Harmonicasound (04:34, 15 October 2023)

How can I find articles that need improvement or expansion? --Harmonicasound (talk) 04:34, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Harmonicasound, check Misplaced Pages:Community portal/Open tasks and Misplaced Pages:Task Center.

Jenhawk, hope all is well with you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:42, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello dearheart, I have been out of town and disconnected. Working hard doing stuff for family for long hours. Thank you for this. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from D192 (21:40, 14 October 2023)

how to put the main title so poeple can search --D192 (talk) 21:40, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

The main title is automatically attached to an article when it is published. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:06, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Dre5860 (00:27, 10 October 2023)

Hello , i've added a battle to the "Belgian Revolution" article. However its still in the "draft" phase. is there a way you could review and maybe improve the battle ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Battle_of_Brussels_(1830) --Dre5860 (talk) 00:27, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

If this is intended to be a separate article, then using a draft is appropriate, but if what you want to do is add this to the larger article on the Belgian Revolution then you have gone about it in the wrong way. Go to the original article and click on edit source and make the additions you want to make there, then publish.

But the real problem here is that this has no references. Without proper referencing, someone will eventually come along and delete your additions. It's Misplaced Pages policy. Don't waste your time trying to publish anything without solid references. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Dre5860 (21:40, 19 October 2023)

Hi! so i made a battle about the Belgian Revolution however, it was removed because its still a draft. How do i publish it fully , ive reviewed all the guidelines. --Dre5860 (talk) 21:40, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Dre5860 I believe I already answered this above. Unless you have made some substantive changes, Your edits will not be accepted. It is not referenced properly. Read and follow this: Misplaced Pages:Citing sources Nothing can be published on WP without quality references, and if it does somehow slip past, someone will come along at some point and delete it. There are people here who do nothing but deletions. Don't waste your time. Either follow WP guidelines or look elsewhere for a hobby. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Yougotflame (19:15, 26 October 2023) (2)

Can you help me?I want to open my own page --Yougotflame (talk) 19:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by your own page? You have a user page. Publish something on it and it will turn your user name black and that will be your own page. But Misplaced Pages isn't like Facebook. Everything here belongs to Misplaced Pages. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Danny5784 (21:56, 2 November 2023)

Hey.

I have a question for ya --Danny5784 (talk) 21:56, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Shoot. Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:13, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Yougotflame (19:15, 26 October 2023)

I want to open my own page --Yougotflame (talk) 19:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Post something on your user page. Your name will turn black. That is your page. Jenhawk777 (talk) 08:20, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Maybe something you'll find WP-interesting

Antisemitism and the New Testament, there are, for example, a lot of primary sources. In other news, Talk:Mike_Johnson_(Louisiana_politician)#Requested_move_25_October_2023 has a few comments. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Wow! I don't think I have ever read a more biased one-sided article. If I am ever able to finish History of Christianity it looks like it might make a good next project. Thanx! Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:17, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Interesting article:. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I enjoyed that one! Jenhawk777 (talk) 08:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I did too. And as a counterpoint, here is another: (alt link at ). I enjoyed that one less. Its funny, you and I have been in some fairly lengthy religion-related WP-discussions at times, but as I recall, there's not a lot of left-wing/right-wing accusations in those. Harrison (the Slate-guy) has commented more than once that compared to other online forums, WP-discussions are often remarkably civil. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:53, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I would agree with that. Jenhawk777 (talk) 11:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Atukangka (01:14, 4 November 2023)

how to publish my idea in wikipedia this is my idea

Part 2: NUMERIC MIRACLES

The second part of the book explores the concept of numbers and how they relate to the miracles of the universe and religious understanding. It reflects the merging of scientific, beauty, and religious principles in a mathematical context.

Here are some key concepts explained in the second part of the book:

1. The Role of Numbers in the Universe: This section discusses the role of numbers in describing and understanding various aspects of the universe, including physical laws, natural phenomena, and various other phenomena.

2. Number Miracles: This book reviews how certain numbers or sequences of numbers in the universe can be considered miracles that show signs of God's greatness. Examples such as comparisons of proportions in nature, prime numbers, or mathematical relationships in physics are the focus of discussion.

3. Relationship with Religion: This section explains how certain numbers have meaning and significance in a religious context. For example, some numbers in Islam (such as the numbers 7, 19, or 99) have deep symbolic value.

4. Aesthetics of the Universe: This book illustrates how mathematics and numbers contribute to the aesthetics and harmony of the universe. These can include geometric patterns, symmetry, or Fibonacci sequences often seen in nature.

5. Merging Science and Religion: This section highlights how the understanding of numbers and mathematics can be used to combine science and religion, creating a deeper understanding of the universe and religious beliefs.

This book provides a holistic view of how numbers and mathematics can be seen as windows to understanding the relationship between the universe, science, and religion. This is an interesting approach that combines different aspects in a meaningful framework.

Here are some key concepts explained in the second part of the book:

The Role of Numbers in the Universe: This section discusses the role of n --Atukangka (talk) 01:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

No, no, no! Misplaced Pages is not the place for this. Original work is not allowed. Misplaced Pages:No original research Misplaced Pages only publishes material referenced in secondary sources. We write research papers. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Atukangka (13:29, 3 November 2023)

HELLO --Atukangka (talk) 13:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Jenhawk777 (talk) 14:59, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

my book

https://ms.wikipedia.org/Pengguna:Atukangka Atukangka (talk) 04:40, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

-Atukangka You are new here. I know you don't know all the rules. To publish a first article it must be approved by an established editor. This will never be approved. There is not a single secondary reference anywhere. It is all original work, and no original work is allowed on WP. Do you understand what I am saying? I see that English is a second language, but you must read it well enough to be here. Do not try to publish original work on Misplaced Pages. It will be deleted. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Mcdiggin2102 (20:50, 16 November 2023)

How can I make my own wikopedia page about myself --Mcdiggin2102 (talk) 20:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

You can't. Misplaced Pages editors write research papers based on published material. Unless there have been multiple articles and books written about you, you have nothing you can reference but yourself. That's a primary source and original work and neither are allowed on WP. Try a blog. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

New arrival at Teahouse: "Can I have a WP-article about me, please?" Me: "Probably not, but out of curiosity, what do you do?" New arrival: "Oh, I wire mushrooms to synthesizers and make music." Me: "... I can't argue with that logic: Fiat Noa Kalos." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

LMAO!!! What is it with these editors? Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

User page

There is an established consensus at WP:CFR that all Wikiproject "members" categories are being moved to "participants" categories across the board. This is not a thing you're free to have variant personal opinions about: the page must be filed in "participants", cannot be left filed in "members", and nobody needs to ask you for your permission to move it. Bearcat (talk) 18:18, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

That may all be true, but all you needed to do to demonstrate some small consideration was tell me that up front. Informing someone is not asking permission. It's just being polite. When someone acts without informing others why, that action seems arbitrary, cavalier and even a bit imperious - as if you have rights other's don't. That would be why editing someone else's page - without telling them why beforehand - is not considerate, not good manners, and not copacetic. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:43, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

There were several hundred user pages that had to be moved as part of the changeover — I had to clean up over 500 pages just off today's batch of redlinked categories, and there are probably going to be 500 more to clean up the next time the redlinked category report runs on Sunday morning. I'd like for you to look at Special:WantedCategories, and count up just how many "members" and "participants" categories were listed there today — every time you see two numbers with an arrow between them after the category name, the difference between the two numbers represents a userpage I had to move, and you'll notice that there are a couple where I had to move hundreds of pages. So we don't have the time to give hundreds or thousands of editors personalized notices informing them of what's happening before it happens: if it's already a four-hour job as it is, you don't get to demand that I volunteer to turn it into a 12-hour job by tripling the amount of time I have to put into it. Bearcat (talk) 19:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Sure you do. You have whatever time you choose to take. You're a volunteer. You don't "have to" do anything at all. No one but you is your boss here. There is no penalty if you fail to meet some arbitrary time line of your own invention.

By the way, this is most certainly not all on you. I have now had three different editors show up to do this same move, and the last one included an explanation in his edit summary. That worked just fine. I thanked him.

I have made no demands and set no requirements whatsoever concerning your time and how you choose to use it. I explained why your behavior was a negative example and asked for consideration. By WP standards, this qualifies as a mild form of disruption.

You set your own priorities for your own behaviors and how you spend your own time. You are now taking time to argue while claiming you don't have time for good manners. Surely this discussion is now wasting more time than you possibly have. It certainly is wasting mine. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

There were no "self-imposed" deadlines here. Cleaning up of redlinked categories is a mandatory job that must get done, and it's a job that has a hard 72-hour deadline on it: every time the redlinked category report runs, all of the redlinked categories have to be resolved by the time the report runs again, because if it isn't done within that time limit then the next run 72 hours will be double the size, and take twice as much time to deal with. Sure, it's not a job I necessarily have a responsibility to take on myself — but it is a job that has to get done by somebody, and it's a job that whoever takes it on, regardless of whether that's me or somebody else, always has to get done within 72 hours.
And it's precisely because we're all volunteers that you don't get to make any demands on other editors' time, such as demanding that they voluntarily triple the amount of time they invest in a necessary maintenance task. It's not just because it was my time — you wouldn't have a right to make special demands on anybody else's time either, because nobody else who took the job on would have sent you a special personal permission slip requesting the right to move the category either.
Sure, if somebody's making disruptive edits to your userpage, such as outright vandalism, then you have a right to rip their head off for it — but a basic maintenance edit, such as a user category being moved to a new name by CFR consensus, is not equivalent to vandalism, and is not a thing that any editor who works on maintenance tasks requires your personal permission to do. Bearcat (talk) 19:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

It took you a whole month to come up with a repetition of what you already said, and I already answered? For someone who spends a lot of time complaining about time they don't have, you sure are wasting a lot of it with this nonsense. You have to take the time to write something in the edit summary no matter what you are doing. That would have been entirely sufficient to inform me, which is all I asked, and has also already said, and would have taken no extra time at all. Being considerate of others is never a waste of time under any circumstance. Try it. You might like it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

October songs

my story today

Same topic, different question: for some reason I forgot, I have User:Gerda Arendt/Jen (noticed in this process) which looks like a copy of an older version of your user page (possibly because I feared yours might be deleted), - I don't need it, but you may want to check if there's anything you still want. It could also be moved into your space. - Today, it's a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. My corner for memory and music has today a juxtaposition of what our local church choirs offer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, two of my many favorite paintings! And quotes! Thank you Gerda, but I guess I have moved on now. Discussing WP policy on neutrality seems more fitting these days. Your musings and memory corners are always interesting even if I don't always comment. Appreciate you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:52, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Qweening365 (21:06, 26 November 2023)

Hello I have no idea how to work this --Qweening365 (talk) 21:06, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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Arshad khan --Arshad Jkhan (talk) 07:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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November thanks

November songs

my story today

Indirectly biblical is my story today, Canticle I: My beloved is mine and I am his, - the composer, born OTD 110 years ago, didn't want it shorter (but the publisher), more here. I'm back to a good tradition: a Britten composition on his birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello dear one. It was Thanksgiving this week and I have been covered up with company. God bless them every one for coming to visit, and God bless them for going home! Love that canticle! Love you! Merry Christmas! Coming soon! Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Guest came for our concert today, and loved it, User Talk:Gerda Arendt#Mozart Requiem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Of course! Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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