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On 6 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Ariel (settlement) to Ariel (city). The result of the discussion was moved to Ariel (Israeli settlement).

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History section addition request: the April 29, 2022 drive-by-shooting attack

April 29, 2022 drive-by-shooting attack: an Israeli 23-year old male security guard stationed at the settlement entrance was shot and killed by two Palestinians. Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades (Fatah's armed wing) claimed responsibility for the terror attack in a video statement.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/guard-killed-in-w-bank-terror-attack-shielded-girlfriend-with-his-body-saving-her/ https://twitter.com/NewpressPs/status/1520222299483426817?s=20&t=MKee9cKzQj_4Pch4j9mtgg https://twitter.com/KhaledAbuToameh/status/1520224843701968903?s=20&t=MKee9cKzQj_4Pch4j9mtgg

--theraefactor (talk) 15:45, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

WP:NOTNEWS. nableezy - 17:00, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Ok, I was going off the fact that a fatal 2018 stabbing terror attack at the settlement entrance was already mentioned. Mind explaining the distinction so I can get a better understanding of News/Not News delineation in such cases? --theraefactor (talk) 17:42, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
That shouldnt be there either. Removing it now. nableezy - 21:56, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
@NableezyThanks for clarifying. --theraefactor (talk) 09:51, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 September 2022

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Request to remove the Arabic name for Ari'el (אריאל) from the article as this is not relevant to the name or etymology of the city. TAYB2422 (talk) 13:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
No, this is in occupied Palestinian territory, and Arabic is the sole official language of Palestine. That the occupying power has established colonies and given them a Hebrew name makes it so we need to include the Hebrew as well obviously, but what the natives call it and how certainly belongs. nableezy - 13:44, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 6 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved to Ariel (Israeli settlement) per existing consensus (closed by non-admin page mover) — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 19:24, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Ariel (settlement) → Ariel (city) – The article had been stable at the title Ariel (city) from its creation in 2004 to November 2022, when there was an undiscussed page move to Ariel (settlement) by @Dan Palraz:. I reverted said move thanks to the fact it had not been discussed or had any consensus behind it, and then @Nableezy: moved it back to Ariel (settlement) again with no rationale, so I'm starting an RM discussion to resolve the issue. My position is that both (city) and (settlement) are natural disambiguators and neither is incorrect, and that given a lack of a strong reason to favour one over the other, the article should remain at the title it has held for over 18 years: Ariel (city). It's worth also mentioning that in all other language wikipedias which use disambiguation for this article, the word for "city" is used rather than "settlement". Chessrat 14:52, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

  • Oppose - Ariel, as noted in the first sentence, is an Israeli settlement, not simply a city. Id support moving this to Ariel (Israeli settlement), as that is the primary descriptor in both this article and in reliable sources. Beyond that, the article had been stable at settlement for well over a year, making the revert a move and not a challenge to a then settled move. Beyond that, the move request is factually false, the Arabic article uses مستوطنة, settlement. German actually has two articles, de:Ariel (Siedlung) and de:Ariel (Stadt). Dutch has it as nl:Ariël_(Westelijke_Jordaanoever) which is Ariel (West Bank Jordan River). So no, the other languages do not all use city instead of settlement, that is just false. nableezy - 15:20, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose, Ariel is first and most importantly an Israeli settlement that is established on occupied land and its very existence is regarded as illegal by the international community. To have the article named "Ariel (city)" would be a normalization of its status and against how the entire world views it. Just because the article was inaccurately named for 18 years doesnt mean it should be switched back. But the article should be named: "Ariel (Israeli settlement)" and not just "settlement". --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 06:09, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose for the same reasons as Nab and SD give. Also agree to "Ariel (Israeli settlement)". Zero 07:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Move to Ariel (Israeli settlement). Ariel, Washington is also a settlement (which means any inhabited place). -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:58, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Note - please see the multi-move of a number of settlements that had previously had different disambiguations. We have standardized disambiguations for Israeli settlements to (Israeli settlement). This, Immanuel (settlement), and Shilo (settlement) were apparently missed as they had been using settlement and not the regional council as the disambiguation, but the result there should inform the discussion here (and soon at Shilo). nableezy - 14:10, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Move: to Ariel (Israeli settlement) per Necrothesp, since there is ambiguity. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:34, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Given the recent moves of other Israeli towns in the West Bank that others have raised, rather than viewing this article in isolation, a move to Ariel (Israeli settlement) out of consistency reasons seems reasonable to me. Chessrat 17:01, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Categories: