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Orca "Killer" stereotype Pliny citation

Hello! Local Latin teacher here. Pliny does use the Latin word "orca," but this term does not mean our orca per se, rather it is a word used elsewhere in the Latin language to mean a large-bellied vessel (https://logeion.uchicago.edu/orca), and it is used only three times in Pliny to distinguish this specific creature from the more general balaena (whale). The article should probably say something like (updating the translation included in the article itself to actually reflect the English translation links in the citation note):

The first use of the word "orca" to discuss a whale was by Pliny the Elder, c. 70 CE, to differentiate one creature from the other whales he was discussing. Pliny describes orcas as "...an animal which is peculiarly hostile to the balaena , and the form of which cannot be in any way adequately described, but as an enormous mass of flesh armed with teeth. This animal attacks the balaena its places of retirement, and with its teeth tears its young, or else attacks the females which have just brought forth, and, indeed, while they are still pregnant: and as they rush upon them, it pierces them just as though they had been attacked by the beak of a Liburnian galley."(citation included in the original article should be fine here). Pliny also claims that an "orca" swam into the port at Ostia during the reign of Emperor Claudius, eating fallen imported goods from the ships, before getting stuck in the sandy port and killed by the order of the Emperor. It is unclear whether Pliny's orca is the same as the modern orca; however, scholars in the 19th century identified the first orca discussed by Pliny as "the Delphinus orca of Linnaeus" based on the orca's behavior, whereas the orca who was stuck in the port as Ostia was more likely to be a "cachelot ".

I hope this helps, and I apologize for any issues of formatting etc. This is my first Misplaced Pages contribution! Thanks for all y'all do. Zethomas753 (talk) 18:13, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Zethomas753, that's good stuff! I have incorporated it into the article at Orca#Naming. Cheers! --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

White Gladis orca should it be a whole page or mentioned?

Well, you can already buy a White Gladis tee shirt. Are we witnessing White Gladis becoming a folk hero? White Gladis is the name given to a single orca that many reports claim as being the orca that began the trend of attacking small vessels especially sailboats. According to an organization tracking the attacks by date there were 24 recorded attacks in May 2023 alone. See external link to map here. Until about last week, the name White Gladis has been picked up by mostly the fringe news organizations like the Daily Mail.

Now CNN has picked up the story and name too.

Experts believe White Gladis may have suffered a “critical moment of agony”, such as colliding with a boat or becoming entrapped during illegal fishing, which altered her behaviour in a “defensive” fashion.

“That traumatised orca is the one that started this behaviour of physical contact with boats,” Dr Lopez Fernandez told Live Science.

There are currently two relevant pages...Orca and Orca attacks

My position is that attacks upon 500 vessels certainly deserves mention on the main Orca page. However, anything beyond confirmed documentation enters the realm of speculation. No one can prove why the attacks began and attribute it to just one orca. Therefore, I don't think this form of speculation can appear on the main orca page.

White Gladis was already added onto the page Orca attacks. I am mixed upon inclusion of the name upon that page. But I have not moved to remove it because of speculation.

What I am most in favor of is the creation of an entire new page dedicated to White Gladis....i.e. White Gladis orca.

Thoughts?Pbmaise (talk) 15:15, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Better wording for section of threats to humans in opening

The sentence "Wild orcas are not considered a threat to humans, and no fatal attack on humans has ever been documented." doesn't read well for me. In particular I missed the "Wild" at the beginning which is key for correct understanding of the second half. Also the passive construction "are not considered" could be considered 'weasel words'. I think something like "Orcas are not usually a threat to humans, and no fatal attack has ever been documented in their natural habitat." would be an improvement. Thoughts? Eluchil404 (talk) 06:11, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Eluchil404, I agree. LittleJerry (talk) 12:03, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Done. Eluchil404 (talk) 05:49, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Wolf should be linked to Sinonyx a carnivorous artiodactyl which was the ancestors of whales

"wolves of the sea" should be linked to Sinonyx a carnivorous artiodactyl (Mesonychid) also called "wolf on hoofs" 103.226.243.133 (talk) 10:27, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

That would not be appropriate for this article, nor for the place where "wolf" is mentioned. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
There is also the problem of how mesonychids are not artiodactyls to begin with.Mr Fink (talk) 20:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Whale vs Dolphin

Orcas are not whales. They are dolphins. Sailors used to call them whale killers because they would prey on big whales. This originated today as killer whales. 2600:6C58:7200:1DC2:90C8:1141:256F:C36A (talk) 05:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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