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A couple of corrections

He was a virgin until 26 according to himself on BBC's "would I lie to you?" He attended Burnham Grammar School in Buckinghamshire up till sixth form when he moved to RGS

Irish

The article clearly states: "He has dual British and Irish citizenship, travels on an Irish passport, has spoken of his pride in having Irish ancestry, and was presented in 2013 with a certificate of Irish heritage in his parents' home city of Limerick by the city's mayor." The source is this one. So the fact he is British-Irish is neither "lies" nor "a typo". Martinevans123 (talk) 10:31, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

id there any evidence or sources he has British citizenship? I've just had a quick look and he only ever refers to his Irish passport. Given the CTA there would of been a need for him to get British citizenship. 89.100.171.118 (talk) 06:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

He's said it in interviews - also found it on https://ireland-calling.com/citizenship/jimmy-carr-irish-citizenship/ SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:50, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Tour dates

I find this site really tricky to edit - can someone else edit the Terribly Funny 2.0 date to end in 2024 please? He's adding new dates all the time but the USA is already showing as up to April 2024. Thx

https://www.jimmycarr.com/live-tour/usa/

SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:03, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

We have to be careful not to turn this article into a tour promo outlet... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

It is a tour promo or is it just correcting inaccurate information? The page initially said that the tour ends in 2023 and it ends in 2024 (I've managed to alter it since). I didn't put the dates on there originally so my assumption was that, if it's something that you (you, meaning the site) want to display, then it should be accurate?? Happy to be corrected - but logging off for the evening. TTFN. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 17:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's something that we (meaning you, me and other editors) might want to display. If the tour hasn't ended, then yes, the article shouldn't say it has. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

That's a relief! SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 10:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Bio image

Is someone able to update the bio image, from that 2015 one? Misplaced Pages comes out quite high in search results and this old image sticks out like a sore thumb. I can't figure out how to upload one....or I would do it myself

Plenty of new images in his website - expand the About section to find some smaller ones https://www.jimmycarr.com/about/

SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

The most likely reason that the image hasn't been updated yet is that all of the photos of Jimmy Carr on his website fall under copyright, so we can't use it. If we want a better photo of him, someone would have to request it from him or someone that represents him. There are some instructions on how to do this: Misplaced Pages:Requesting copyright permission. The reason our picture is from 2015 is because that was the last time a photographer took a picture of him and uploaded it to Misplaced Pages as their "own work". Recon rabbit 15:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

There are some others at Commons, but all are of the same age or older. A Google search for Creative Commons licenses yields a few at Flickr, but they are not very good quality. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - I moved on a little bit, since posting this. I've got one from his new tour (2023) that I've been given permission to use (by Chambers Management) - but am waiting to find out which copyright thingy it falls under as they told me the photographer and so on - but not the classification. Soon as I get a response on that I can update it. Thx SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the copyright licence is critical. I have found the whole process to be a potential minefield and have given up on a number of occasions. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

You've just made me even more determined to get it updated!! Wish me luck. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

You are aware that edit Misplaced Pages is a privilege, not a right?

And I advice you to read Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons and Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources. The Banner talk 16:34, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Errr - not sure why you are giving me attitude over a jokey response! SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 17:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

You are aware that making jokey responses is a privilege, not a right? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm thinking my fingers are going to get me into trouble, the way this has gone downhill! SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 17:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

You are aware that downhill fingers are a privilege, not a right?! lol Martinevans123 (talk)

Informal tone, style problems, original research

I rolled back a bunch of changes by SecretSquirrel9 who introduced many problems to the biography, especially regarding the podcasts. It looks like we are trying to dig up a history of his radio appearances and podcasts taken from the items themselves rather than WP:SECONDARY sources analysing his career. The self-published website rickygervais.tumblr.com cannot be considered authoritative. Interviews with Carr are not analysis of his career.

What record did Carr supposedly break in performing 17+ times at Birmingham Symphony Hall? How is it that petermcgraw.org is able to give Carr the honorific of "hardest working man in comedy"? Carr's own website should not be used to describe a career arc.

Style problems include using numerals for single-digit numbers rather than writing out the number. Binksternet (talk) 13:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Regrettably I think that is fully justified. It seems that User:SecretSquirrel9 is a new user who may be unaware of Misplaced Pages's guidelines and policies. But they are obviously very interested in Carr and are enthusiastic in trying to improve this article. I hope they can adjust/moderate their approach and will call upon fellow editors for help. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:36, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Few questions...

With the Podcast area someone put a list of half a dozen on, in no order, and I'd just tidied them up and put the biggest ones on from the last 12 months (no where close to how many he did). Not sure why that is wrong as Podcasts now are the TV shows of our day? Joe Rogan gets MILLIONS more views than any other show on TV.

Interviews with Carr were being used by earlier citations that were broken - albeit they were sometimes being reported by newspapers. I've just looked up more recent ones on Podcasts, to make them authoritative (where it is comments about him personally).

Ok on the Gervais one - I've got other sources I could use. Don't recall using Carr's own website - although previous editors had and the link was broken as the site had had a major overhaul recently.

Style problems - I copied whatever was already in use for each section (?). I didn't like some of them myself...

Let me know and I'll have a look later. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 13:40, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello again

It looks like you have virtually rolled everything back though and actually put things back which are not true, re-ordered text that i had just made chronological and removed Awards that were correctly cited. Bit confused by some of the rejections and, without knowing the reason for each one, am likely to make the same mistakes again.

Re @Martinevans123 (saying call on fellow editors) - not sure how that can work when i have a lot to correct? Volunteering?

I'd looked at lots of pages, belonging to other comedians, and analysed what information had been accepted on theirs and some of the things that have just been rolled back I've seen elsewhere (and not recent edits).

Just when i thought i was making progress :o))

T SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 13:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Maybe just slow down a bit and wait for others to agree? But beware of being branded as a WP:SPA. And other comedian's pages may also be wrong.... and just overlooked. As Binksternet has pointed out, reliable secondary sources are probably the key to progress here. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hmmmm - I won't be a WP:SPA (eventually) but have just had a few days to myself (I'm self employed and it's quiet time), it's been cold and wet and i was getting to grips with the interface. I was only doing a few edits a day and waiting to see if stuff got rolled back - but wasn't sure how long was long enough? I've got a note of all my edits (and more than one source for much of it) but need some guidance on what i can put back, because I am mystified as to why so much was removed. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 14:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, "how long is long enough" is a bit indeterminate. You've always got the Talk page here if you're unsure on whether or how to add something. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry - feeling a bit whiney today (dental work this morning) so this was just the icing on the cake! The cake i would struggle to eat right now... I was making edits to take my mind off my teeth.

I did ask someone re how to do the bullet points but everything else I figured out ok (except tone of voice, it would appear). I've been in IT for years and work in SEO.

The other thing I just thought of was how quickly would you decide i was a WP:SPA? I've got years worth of info/knowledge on comedy (especially Carr) and music / certain IT topics - but my work ebbs and flows. I'm starting a new contract at the weekend and there are only so many hours a day i can sit down, without seizing up. So would possibly be less likely to do edits on here.

If you are saying "slow down" and I can see a lot wrong with that page - i could be stuck on it for weeks. Especially as I spent probably 3 times as long offline, checking out sources.

I did think when i first started making edits that i wished there was a positive step - as in someone approving. So that you know you can move on to another update. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

See WP:THERAPY, even for root canal alas, but that can happen to all of us, I guess. People may be watching, people may not. So it's always best to ask explicitly first. Again, there's no hard and fast rule on WP:SPA: those editors are usually also edit warriors, which you appear not to be. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Crikey. That's one terrifying page... I'm not sure a couple of hours of distraction is therapy though...it was just more constructive than watching comedy videos. Have you got a page for "what to do when your expensive dental insurance doesn't cover an £800 root canal"?

I've just read the page about not biting newcomers - specifically un-deletion or arbitration on points. Would I have to raise each point as a discussion on here?

For example - the 2nd para of "personal life" says he has spoken of depression and this is not true and the citation quoted only uses the words "mental health". He has discussed this a lot and specifically says that Depression is a medical issue that is treated with pharmaceuticals and that he was just sad. Basically he's said many times that people conflate Sadness with Depression and shouldn't. So that para is completely the wrong way around.

Should I re-edit it or put a discussion on here, please? Or i could just go and stick my head in the oven. Either works for me right now. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:23, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd raise an example question here. It saves on gas. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Quoting WP:THERAPY at a newbie seems a bit OTT, Martin! SecretSquirrel is right - WP:NOBITING! SecretSquirrel - some of the advice above is good. Reliable secondary sourcing is the key thing. So, for example, absolutely re-write the paragraph on depression/mental health, sourcing it to where somebody writes about what Carr has said on the subject. And welcome to Misplaced Pages! Bastun 15:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh ok. Sorry if SecretSquirrel feels bitten by me. I'll leave it to you folks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!

Actually it wasn't Martin i meant - it was having 4 days of edits dumped when I'm sure they can't ALL have been bad. I'm just trying to figure out how to get the stuff out of this page that is wrong and bring it up to date.

I've just added a reply to someone else's discussion on here re YouTube as a source. Carr (and most other of the biggest comedians) rarely gives "written" interviews any more as he's flying around the world with an insane schedule (you only have to watch his feed on X to see).

I am 100% i won't find that in writing so my only other option would be to remove that line completely as whoever put it there has misinterpreted what the original article said (it only mentioned mental health, not depression).

Maybe i should start a blog as "Bonkers Bunny" and then source myself ((joking)) SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:46, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Me and Binkster are bezzy mates really. A bit like Starsky & Hutch, I've always thought... Martinevans123 (talk) 15:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

So you're ganing up on me, is that it?

I need emojis on here...so you can tell when I'm joking SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:02, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

ganGing SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:02, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Thx - done! SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Can't use youtube as a source?

Hi, I had a question about an edit I made which was reverted (@Ghmyrtle) because it used YouTube as a source.

I understand if it was a video summarising an academic study, for example. But this is a direct recording of what Carr said, it's unclear to me why a video of someone speaking is not reliable account of their thoughts (assuming reliability is the issue)?

I'm fairly new to editing and I'm not disputing this - I'm sure I was in the wrong - just looking for clarity for future reference.

Thank you JM1215 (talk) 15:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I've got the same question. Artists are far more likely to be interviewed in a podcast than a newspaper.

For example - when Carr travelled to Australia he had 7 hours flight some days, moving to the next city. Artists in this instance find it easier to jump on podcasts (sometimes from hotel rooms) than to have to be at a radio station for a specific time.

But I'm not sure why it makes the information any less valid? SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

It's quite possibly true that Misplaced Pages policy on the use of sources like podcasts and YT videos needs some updating. But, policies and guidelines are agreed on a site-wide basis, and the best place to discuss any issues may well be here - rather than on this page. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - I've raised a discussion (not sure how to link it here)

Newbie2 SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 16:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Personal life - removing inaccurate information/depression

I've had a bunch of edits rolled back and need some guidance, please.

For example - the 2nd para of "personal life" says he has spoken of depression and this is not true and the citation quoted only uses the words "mental health". He has discussed this a lot (in podcasts) and specifically says that Depression is a medical issue that is treated with pharmaceuticals and that he was just sad. Basically he's said many times that people conflate Sadness with Depression and shouldn't. So that para is completely the wrong way around. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 15:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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