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Views in Argentina

I travelled extensively in Argentina and the views on Guevara were unanimous; he is rarely mentioned there and is certainly not a source of pride. Many I met described him as a "psychopath" who enjoyed killing people. He apparently told his father that he "enjoyed the smell of cordite and blood" after he had shot someone through the head. Not sure if this is worth extra exploration. 86.153.86.158 (talk) 17:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

It definitely isn't, I for one know plenty of Argentinians that are in awe of Guevara. Hearsay is not worth being mentioned on Misplaced Pages. 2A02:1811:C1F:8200:3564:4278:E78B:F860 (talk) 12:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Che was a psychopath who enjoyed killing people. He was also a homophobic and racist who hated black people. This is not hearsay. He publicly executed innocent Cubans by gunshot in front of many witnesses as a warning to anyone who tried to oppose their new government. Hectorgavilla (talk) 11:55, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
He also personally trained Castro's forces in the Bay of Pigs incident that saw the deaths of many Cuban freedom fighters. 69.92.98.110 (talk) 23:13, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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Source 100 doesn't make any sense. Quote is from the point of view of someone rescued by Che Guevara during combat, from Joel Iglesias' diary, his "teenage lieutenant". The quote starts by mentioning that Joel is getting shot at, gets rescued by Che. Che does not get shot because the guards overhear him being referred to as "Che". the part that doesn't make sense is the following: ". Later . . . they told me he made a great impression on them when they saw him run out with his pistol stuck in his belt, ignoring the danger, they didn't dare shoot.", how and why would he be communicating, so colloquially at that, to the enemy who was just shooting at him? the formatting of the quote makes me very dubious as well, considering it leads the statement with "later...", which tells us that they took out a part of the quote. Therefore, I am uncertain of the validity of this statement, it is also the only online source of the quote i could find. I would suggest to remove the quote. hope this finds you well XavierNeedsMore (talk) 20:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done That's what the source says. You don't have to believe it. Maproom (talk) 23:41, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

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Physician should be removed as he was never a doctor, never practiced medicine, never graduated medical school and his diploma has never been shown 2600:1700:6822:7CA0:3931:7913:B26C:6BA0 (talk) 16:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. I don't have access to the specific sources that we've cited but per our article it looks like he did complete his degree and practiced briefly in Mexico. Looking through the talk page archives this has been discussed sporadically in the past, and it looks like the consensus have generally been that he was a physician. However, per MOS:FIRSTBIO the first sentence should only contain occupations/activities a BLP subject is notable for and completing a medical degree and briefly practicing medicine IMO is certainly not what Guevara is mainly known for and IMO it should not be in the lead sentence. Cannolis (talk) 17:54, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Che was a mass murderer

Please add that Che Guevara was a mass murderer in the first sentence of this article. He should be put in the same category as Hitler. the sentence should read as follows:

was an Argentine Marxist Mass Murderer, physician, author, guerrilla leader, diplomat, and military theorist. Hectorgavilla (talk) 04:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

When was he convicted of being a mass murderer? HiLo48 (talk) 05:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
in Cuba he lined up innocent people against a wall “pared” and executed them without a trial for the public to witness. My Cuban family witnessed these executions and knew people who disappeared. He forced at gunpoint the removal of families from their homes. The only way to enforce socialism is to take away everything the people own by execution and physical violence. No one will willingly give the government their possessions. What I stated are facts. Hectorgavilla (talk) 11:51, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
Then it shouldn't be hard for you to provide some reliable sources here. Facts aren't hard to find in reliable sources. StephenMacky1 (talk) 12:48, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
It's so funny how Misplaced Pages goes out of its way to downplay how much of an actual terrorist Che Guevara was in reality. And the only acceptable "reliable sources" for verification are leftwing outlets who lionize him. 69.92.98.110 (talk) 23:11, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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Please change "Cause of death Execution by shooting" to "Cause of death Elimination by shooting"

Che Guevara's capture and immediate execution without a legal trial would be more accurately described as an extrajudicial killing which is considered a form of murder. This differs from a lawful execution which typically involves a formal trial. Thirdfemalelead (talk) 05:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done I replaced it with extrajudicial killing (per what's covered in the article's body). M.Bitton (talk) 15:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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