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It should be Hinduism and not Hindu Mythology. There are three instances in this article where "Hindu Mythology" has been used. These are real places and gods that lived in this world in the past and thus it's not right to call this a Myth. VM0717 (talk) 20:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}}template. M.Bitton (talk) 00:00, 18 February 2024 (UTC)- Google what mythology means before you comment this sort of gibberish. Chronikhiles 06:13, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
- "For scholars, this is very different from the vernacular usage of the term "myth" that refers to a belief that is not true. Instead, the veracity of a myth is not a defining criterion" the literal second sentence of the wikipedia page about myths/mythology. 2406:3003:2006:2640:D3:7270:32D4:D923 (talk) 12:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Removing people form the infobox
The infobox contains people rather than important places. I suggest removing people form the infobox and replacing it with important landmarks. SKAG123 (talk) 22:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think you mean the "infobox contained people rather than important places". This was discussed previously, see Talk:Varanasi/Archive 2#Infobox images need change for representation. Consensus appeared to be to use the pictures we have now.-- Toddy1 (talk) 05:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Mention of the Benares state
The Benares State is mentioned in multiple sources in the body article. in this section where multiple sources are cited. Therefore I think it is appreciate to mention the kingdom in the lead, as i did in this edit.
The Section:
"There were as many as 100,000 men backing the power of the Benares rajas in what later became the districts of Benares, Gorakhpur and Azamgarh. This proved a decisive advantage when the dynasty faced a rival and the nominal suzerain, the Nawab of Oudh, in the 1750s and the 1760s.
Raja Chait Singh of Benares State (r.1771–1781) An exhausting guerrilla war, waged by the Benares ruler against the Oudh camp, using his troops, forced the Nawab to withdraw his main force. The region eventually ceded by the Nawab of Oudh to the Benares State, a subordinate of the East India Company, in 1775, who recognised Benares as a family dominion.
https://archive.org/details/rulerstownsmenba0000bayl http://uqconnect.net/~zzhsoszy/ips/b/benares.html SKAG123 (talk) 19:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- The particular part you added in green in the following sentence − "Under the Treaty of Faizabad, the East India Company acquired
the city through the Banaras kingdom
in 1775" - isn't mentioned in the two accompanying sources. They only mention Benaras, nothing about the state/kingdom. The concern is about the particular sentence. Besides, what is it supposed to mean? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- The last sentences of that section state that has multiple citations states that The EIC acquired the Benares kingdom form the Nawab.
- The source do mention the Banaras Kingdom
- Empire and Revolution: The Political Life of Edmund Burke
- page 664
- Chait Singh beginning in 1775 forms an important part of Burke's basic case against Hastings.245 According to Burke, this period covered an epoch in which the obligations of Benares as an independent tributary were respected in much the
- Page 844
- Chait Singh in Benares and agreed to relieve the Wazir of some of his burdens incurred by British pensioners, as well as some of the troops stationed in his territory. At the same time, a decision was made to continue the use of
- Therefore I added “through the Banaras kingdom” since the kingdom was acquired as a subordinate based on the paragraph and sources linked above. SKAG123 (talk) 20:25, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'll see tomorrow. @Fowler&fowler: could you take a look? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- A few other sources I could find also stated the same thing, although it should be noted that Raja Chait Singh of Banaras' uprisings were sparked by the Second Treaty of Banaras (1775).
- https://doi.org/10.1177/23484489231198628 https://www.britannica.com/event/Treaties-of-Banaras Aditya Prakash-080 (talk) 04:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry @Fylindfotberserk: I only just saw this! I had been traveling. My bell icon up top is permanently 99+! I've made a post below. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fowler&fowler can you join in as a recent edit of yours is related to this. SKAG123 (talk) 00:05, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll see tomorrow. @Fowler&fowler: could you take a look? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello there: Under the Treaty of Faizabad, the British acquired the Benares division from Asif uddaulah, the Nawab of Awadh; this contained the Benares District, and in turn, Benares City. These had nothing to do with the Benares Estate, a zamindari estate, under the "Maharaja of Benares". The latter, which simply paid taxes to the British, was not a princely state. It did not have a subsidiary alliance with the Company or the Raj. Here are the links from the Imperial Gazetteer of India]]: Benares Estate. In particular, Benares City, which was a part of Benares Tehsil, see same page of IGI, had nothing to do with Benares Estate. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- PS Benares Estate was a large zamindari; it had an area of 988 square miles. Pataudi State, one the other hand, with an area of only 52 square miles, was indeed a princely state. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- PS2 In other words, pages such as Vibhuti Narayan Singh which insinuate kings of Banaras, and as "Kashi Naresh," a direct link to the 2500 year old alleged Kingdom of Kashi during the Mahajanapadas, all have significant grade inflation. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've moved Banaras State to Benares Estate per the Imperial Gazetteer of India, 1909. That article seems to claim it became a full blown princely state in 1911, which I find dubious as no new princely states were created in the 20th century as far as I'm aware, especially not in the Hindi heartland.
- Someone else will need to clean it up more. A similar problem was seen in the Singrauli Estate, a red link now, which too had styled itself State, and someone changed all the Imperial Gazetteer maps on WP (many of which I had originally uploaded) so show Singrauli! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- PS2 In other words, pages such as Vibhuti Narayan Singh which insinuate kings of Banaras, and as "Kashi Naresh," a direct link to the 2500 year old alleged Kingdom of Kashi during the Mahajanapadas, all have significant grade inflation. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- PS Benares Estate was a large zamindari; it had an area of 988 square miles. Pataudi State, one the other hand, with an area of only 52 square miles, was indeed a princely state. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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