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"...are a Romance-speaking ethnic group and the largest ethnic group of the Republic of Moldova..."
"Moldovan" is better off being addressed in this article as a nationality rather than an ethnicity. It is near universal consensus that the Romanian language and so-called Moldovan language are identical. What then, designates Moldovans as a separate ethnicity from Romanians? Furthermore, to identify "Moldovan" as an ethnicity also excludes the Slavic and Gagauz populations in Moldova, who are also Moldovans. 108.46.168.9 (talk) 07:25, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Edit: I myself have modified the article's introduction, and have used a more neutral approach, immediately bringing up the controversy over Moldovan ethnic and linguistic identification. I also now understand that the article refers to Moldovans in an "ethnic sense", not including non-Romance groups that live within the country's territory. 108.46.168.9 (talk) 08:45, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Even if we were to admit that the 2 distinct languages (or dialects of Eastern Romance) are similar or even the same, we have many examples of different peoples (ethnic groups) using the same language.
- The ethnicity is determined by 3 components: common origin (but Romans were part of many ethnic groups so, without a clear evidence, it's impossible to say the Roman citizens can be considered a "common origin"), common history (Wallachia and Moldavia have had a distinct history since their inception, therefore the people have also had different histories) and common culture (again, not the case with Wallachians and Moldavians). Klehus (talk) 12:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Moldova republic
The people of the Republic of Moldova came when and from where? --95.24.69.191 (talk) 11:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- The Moldovans are Roman citizens (the peoples called "Vlachs"), that came from Balkans - through Wallachia and Transylvania - and formed the Moldavian ethnic group. Klehus (talk) 12:50, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
As long as Moldovans make a distinction between them and Romanians, we should respect their national, ethnic and cultural identity
The meaning of an ethnic group changed from "a population with same genetic background" to a "population with same cultural background" so different peoples are free to forget their own culture and adhere to other people's cultures; but as long as Moldovans identify themselves as "Moldavian ethnics", we should respect that and reflect it objectively. Klehus (talk) 13:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
The names used by East Roman people, living north of Danube
We have had 2 distinct nations of East Romance speaking people (Romans) living north of Danube:
1. Moldovans
They have used the name „moldovan" (old script: мoлдoвaн) (EN: Moldavian/Moldovan) as national identifier and the names „romān" (old script: ρomЪн/ρomѫн) and „râmlean" (old script: ρѫmлѣн) (EN: Roman) as ethnic identifier (Miron Costin, Letopisețul Țării Moldovei: „numele drept și mai vechiu iaste romăni, adecă râmleani, de la Roma" / EN: "the correct and ancient name is Roman which means Roman, from Rome"; Dimitrie Cantemir, Hronicul romano-moldo-vlahilor: „români chemându-ne" / EN: "we call ourselves Romans");
2. Wallachians
They have used the names „valah" (old script: влax) (EN: Wallachian) and „rumān" (old script: ρꙋmЪн/ρꙋmѫн/ρymѫн); they were also using the word „rumân" as ethnic identifier - the meaning of the word was also "Roman" (Letopisețul cantacuzinesc: „rumănii carii s-au despărțit de romani" / EN: " Romans who separated themselves from the Romans"; Constantin Cantacuzino, Istoria Țării Rumănești: „când să întreabă ce iaste, ei răspund: rumâni." / EN: "when asked what they are, they answer: Romans").
Conclusion: the word Roman was translated in the old Moldovan language with the word „romān" (ρomѫн) and in the Wallachian language with the word „rumān" (ρꙋmѫн). Klehus (talk) 14:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Costin uses "rumân", you can check chapter 4 of his work "About the Moldavian nation" at Wikisource. Anonimu (talk) 20:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- "De neamul moldovenilor", Miron Costin, 1914, page. 40: „numele derept si mai vechiu este Român" Klehus (talk) 08:30, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Basarabia / Bessarabia / Bessarabian
The name Basarabia was an exonym (used in European maps) for the aproximative territory of today Budjak; it was never used as the name for East Moldova (the territory of Moldova (Republic) + the territory of Budjak).
The name Bessarabia was first used by Russia after 1812 as an administrative name fot the (Russian) territory of East Moldova. Klehus (talk) 14:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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