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Street grooming

In the contemporary issues section, there needs to be some reference to the street grooming issue

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/17353046.councillor-call-work-identify-disproportionately-high-number-grooming-suspects-pakistani-community/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MqrO6p2Woc

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/20/its-time-to-tell-the-truth-about-grooming-gangs/

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/revealed-disproportionately-high-numbers-pakistani-8439716

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/international/uk-court-jails-20-men-mostly-pakistanis-for-sexual-abuse-of-teenage-girls

ROC7 (talk) 23:33, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Seems like your alternate account Koppite added it and it seems you are desperate to push a grooming narrative to the Pakistani/Asian community maybe you should discuss with others apart from yourself ? 90tillinfinitydue (talk) 07:37, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Koppite1 Personally I am inclusivist and would prefer to have content with credible sources. Still would like to share a friendly advice.

I do not know specific rules on false accusations still Same time deleting talk page messages can be problematic many times.

Besides avoid edit war because either of the side does not get more than 2 chances and most likely to get blocked if rule not followed.

Last but not least try to use academic studies from Google scholar might give better weightage to the aspiring content.

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 08:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Restored the talk page as not sure of rules re deletion. Will ignore the unfounded accusation re account...for now. Koppite1 (talk) 08:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Koppite as come with an obvious agenda to downplay social issues pertaining to Black/Carribean folks and over play and smear other communities in particular South Asians. It is therefore imperative to counter and challenge the sources which are mostly tabloids and newspapers. 90tillinfinitydue (talk) 08:59, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Prima facie there likely to be breach of WP:3RR from edit warriors can WP:3RR read and take before admin board if any one feel so.

By the way this topic has been handled previously can be found in archives. Better both of you study previous arguments and add new credible sources if any and present the case than personalizing.

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 09:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Comparing to similar other pages, for instance, Bangladesh, there is mention of the issue regarding gangs, issues that affect the community. Another example is Albanians--there's mention of organised crime affecting their community. In the same vain, Street grooming is a contemporary issue that is affecting the Pakistani community, and is therefore a valid topic to include in the social issues section. Therefore, i'm inclined to reinstate the section. Also sources from e.g. the Times, the Independent etc are relatively strong sources

Koppite1 (talk) 10:00, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

For info and record: This discussion has been informed @ WT:UK#Requesting inputs. Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 10:14, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Also, should be noted that a new report was issued a few weeks ago by the IICSA. It's still a relevant, on going topic.

Fight against grooming gangs hindered by fear of being branded racist, says official | The Independent Koppite1 (talk) 10:30, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I restored the content which was removed with a misleading edit summary by 90tilinfinitydue here. Editorkamran (talk) 06:58, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:British Indians which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 10:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

New section seems to be a defamation

The complete Pakistani community in Britain is the subject of this article. Since the crimes of one individual cannot be used to denigrate the entire community, start a new section by engaging in discussion on the talk page so that this content can be added with everyone's approval. 𝘚𝘢𝘯𝘦𝘮𝘈𝘺𝘩𝘢𝘯07 04:07, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

It says Home Secretary said that, and it is true that she said that, if defamation is your worry file a case against her. Moreover she doesn't said all british pakistani are involved in grooming gangs. She just said that all those involved in gooming gangs are "almost all british pakistani". AbhishekSaini1910 (talk) 08:26, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

It's a violation of WP:NPOV to include Braverman's claims without including sources that have established that she's wrong on the statistics, e.g. this. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:55, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry Add her statement as well as information from the sources you mentioned. Add everyone's point of view, we are not sitting here to decide who is correct or who is wrong. AbhishekSaini1910 (talk) 15:06, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

This is a volunteer project, AbhishekSaini1910; please don't tell me what to do. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:42, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't ordering you to do it, i was just giving opinion what should be done. I forgot to write "we should" in starting pf my comment. AbhishekSaini1910 (talk) 22:17, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Grooming Gangs[

Why this page doesn't contain anything regarding Grooming Gangs, while those at the top of british government, themselves saying that grooming gangs are made up of "almost all british Pakistani"

Home Secretary Suella Braverman said that the perpetrators of such crimes are “groups of men, almost all British Pakistani”. To the BBC she said the gangs were "overwhelmingly" made up of British-Pakistani males. British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has vowed to do whatever it takes to root out grooming gangs and put more perpetrators behind bars. The UK PM announced a new Grooming Gangs Taskforce to tackle the menace.

AbhishekSaini1910 (talk) Genetic defects material

I've reverted your attempt to re-add this material, Colormaxxing, after it was previously reverted by another editor. You now need to follow WP:BRD and make the case for the addition here on the talk page. I also asked for input at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Medicine#Medical claim at British Pakistanis. One of the major problems seems to be that you're extrapolating from a small study limited to Southern Derbyshire to the whole British Pakistani population. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:08, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

NB: Colormaxxing has since been blocked as a sockpuppet. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:10, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

British Airways image

I do not think it is neccessary to mention Imran Khan's happiness of British Airways returning. It had nothing to do with the rest of the paragraphs. 2A04:4A43:54DF:CC11:0:0:12A7:EF81 (talk) 13:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

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