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Welcome to the club

		The Featured Article Medal
		By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this special, very exclusive award created just for we few, we happy few, this band of brothers, who have shed sweat, tears and probably blood, in order to be able to proudly claim "I too have taken an article to Featured status". Gog the Mild (talk) 14:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Congrats, and a question

Hey, congrats on your promotion. This is a big accomplishment and well deserved.

I wanted to ask if you could look over the current state of my current large project to see if it's on the right track. This is obviously a bit of a tough one to chew and I know it's not your usual topic area. Compare to the structure of the original article to see what I'm trying to go for. I think the current one is not really up to snuff at all. The model article I'm using is this one, as it's a featured one and similar enough.

Basically I'm wondering if you think it is 1) on it's way to doing well, 2) what sections you think are missing (still not done outlining everything)

Thanks, ForksForks (talk) 20:24, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

As you stated, this is a subject that is well beyond what I have ever written about, or ever will write about. But for feedback I can provide, I find your current rewrite more informative, clear, and better sourced than the one currently in mainspace. This is a very tough topic to chew, but I think so far you're doing a good job. λ NegativeMP1 20:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks and of course if you ever need something read over drop me a ping. ForksForks (talk) 03:04, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Promotion of Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number

Congrats again Negative! Hotline Miami 1 will come around someday, I'm sure of it. I'm on standby if you're willing to assist with Help Wanted. The Night Watch (talk) 17:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Regarding Minecraft's composer issue

Why do you not think that Lena Raine, Kumi Tanioka, and Aaron Cherof are not the lead composers for Minecraft for the page List of video game soundtracks considered the best? Their composition takes a significant chunk in Minecraft's OST by the release of Tricky Trials so I have no idea why you'd remove their names when they did have significant work in the Minecraft. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 08:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I don't list them on List of video game soundtracks considered the best because they are not simply not the lead composers. At the games release, C418 was the only artist featured in the game and remained that way until 2020, and he's still considered the main artist (all but one of the sources used in the list only list C418's work, the other lists both C418 and Raine). Raine has only composed music for the game for about four years, and Tanioka and Cherof have composed music for even less. Additionally, the way they're music has been added to the game is less of "here's all of the music for your game" and more of "here's some extra tracks." Gareth Coker contributed more to the Minecraft soundtrack (at least on console) than all of the extra artists, yet we don't list him for similar reasons. λ NegativeMP1 17:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Fortnite Festival

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Your GA nomination of Fortnite Festival

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Your GA nomination of Fortnite Festival

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Halo Infinite Article Edits

Hello - I hope you are doing well.

I am writing this as a first-time editor. I am confused why, after removing speculative sentences (despite having citations), my purely fact-based points have been removed by you. I am not sure if you are the same person who previously removed the text, but I understand if you did regarding the speculation. That part has been removed.

However, your comment included a note that it is rarely appropriate for Misplaced Pages articles to include player sentiment. I am linking two of the largest competitors to Halo, Battlefield and Call of Duty, below to demonstrate that this is false.

Call of Duty: https://en.wikipedia.org/Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_(2019_video_game).

"Criticism focused on the handling of the campaign's subject matter, including the depiction of the Russian military, as well as balancing issues in the multiplayer."

Battlefield 2042: https://en.wikipedia.org/Battlefield_2042

"The game received mixed reviews from critics and a more negative reception from players for its technical issues, lack of features, and certain changes to the gameplay. The game failed to meet the sales expectations of Electronic Arts."

Both articles mention criticism and not just praise of the games, with Battlefield 2042 specifically mentioning player sentiment.

I would love to understand why these two articles document player sentiment, but Halo is above such criticism. FactCheckerofFactCheckers (talk) 02:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, sorry if my initial revert reason was a bit harsh or confused you. Misplaced Pages very rarely takes into account fan reception per the user generated content policy, and we go by whatever reliable sources say. So basically, for video games, reliable sources are where we get our reception, and fan reception usually isn't included on its own unless its very, very well documented (ex. a review bomb). Battlefield 2042 is a special case like that, since it was extremely well covered by reliable sources, and MW2019 doesn't fall under that since its purely the opinions of critics. I'm not saying that fan reception for the Halo Infinite article isn't warranted, but to go into that level of detail in the article lead (greater than that of the critics opinions) generally isn't warranted. Note how Battlefield 2042 only goes "the game received mixed reviews from critics and a more negative reception from players" before listing why they didn't like it.

Now, a sub-section of the reception section (similarly to Battlefield 2042) could probably be doable and I'd personally allow it to stay (though I'm not sure what others could think). I did manage to find a few sources that discuss how players reacted to Halo Infinite, such as , , , , and . λ NegativeMP1 07:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply as well as sharing the links, both of Wiki procedure and Halo articles.

The feedback you shared recommends adding this player sentiment lower on the page; I disagree with this. While I acknowledge Call of Duty does not explicitly list player sentiment in the 'leads' section, Battlefield 2042 does. More specifically, the page includes both critic and player sentiment in the 'leads' section, not below the fold of the page.

Further, while you argue Battlefield is an exception, I am directly challenging your qualifications for deciding which titles are or are not an exception to include player sentiment. Halo and Battlefield 2042 are arguably the largest culprits of negative player backlash in the past few years, with both of us now presenting articles supporting this data.

To your later point, I am aligned with rephrasing the structure of the passage as well as reducing length to match player sentiment in the aforementioned competitors. However, I am not aligned with a) removing player sentiment from the 'leads' section when Battlefield includes it and b) your qualifications to conclude that Battlefield 2042 meets an exception 'threshold' when both of us have now provided articles showcasing strong negative player sentiment and related player statistics.

With regards to reliable sources, I am confused as your shared articles include GameRant, the same reliable source I originally listed when speaking to player sentiment. I have IGN and Polygon articles that also speak to this negative player sentiment.

What are the available next steps? Currently, I see:

- Edit passage in Halo Infinite leads page to align with length and structure of Battlefield 2042's negative player sentiment, with reliable sources cited

- Triage what qualifies as a exception for overwhelmingly negative player sentiment via dispute resolution FactCheckerofFactCheckers (talk) 18:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Wake Me Up When September Ends

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Why did you revert my edit? (Furina)

I added a note on one of her in game features that you quickly removed, and I'm requesting more explaination than what you included in the edit reversion.

Thanks The Eunie-Cycle (talk) 23:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

HI, I reverted the edit because the detail of Furina being able to walk on water isn't sourced anywhere in the article body , and adding that detail would've failed WP:V. I'm sure that somewhere there's a reliable source that says she can walk on water. I'll check for myself when I can. λ NegativeMP1 23:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Is this a reliable source? https://www.eurogamer.net/genshin-impact-furina-ascension-talent-materials-best-build-team-weapon-artifact-constellations-9326

I'm not sure exactly what sources count as reliable or not, but this article does mention that Furina's skill lets her walk on water. The Eunie-Cycle (talk) 23:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, Eurogamer is a reliable source. As for what sources count as reliable or not, a list of reliable sources for video games can be found at WP:VG/S. λ NegativeMP1 00:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

American Idiot singles

If you decide to pursue GA for any other songs from this album, please reach out. I might review them. Wish you luck on September. mftp dan 19:16, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Will do. I plan on pursuing GA for every other song in the album and seeing if there's enough material to make an article for Homecoming, the former of which would allow for the creation of a good topic. On the topic of American Idiot, were you still planning on getting the article to FA? λ NegativeMP1 05:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I've lost a lot of my editing motivation since making that statement due to career changes I've experienced which have left me with less energy to edit, so I may not make it on time with the statement I made regretfully, but it still remains my plan. On the other hand, my involvement with most if not all the notable songs from American Idiot is minimal enough that I could still qualify to review them. At least I think. mftp dan 22:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Even if you did have any involvement in the singles, I don't see your name in any of the recent changes over the past few years. It should be fine. I appreciate your offer to review the future GANs, the order I plan on taking it is WMUWSE (at GAN right now), the titular track, Jesus of Suburbia, Holiday, and Boulevard of Broken Dreams. I'm split on whether or not Homecoming is notable, but if it is it'll come in-between the GANs for the titular track and Jesus of Suburbia.

Anyways, I was asking about a possible American Idiot FA in the event there was potential for a featured topic over simply a good topic. λ NegativeMP1 05:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Update: I'm probably a quarter of the way through the rewrite for Boulevard of Broken Dreams (I've already given up on the order I proposed above) and will hopefully be at GAN by mid-October, and Wake Me Up When September Ends is now at FAC. λ NegativeMP1 07:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Wake Me Up When September Ends

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Your GA nomination of Wake Me Up When September Ends

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WikiCup 2024 August newsletter

The fourth round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 29 August. Each of the 8 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 472 points, and the following contestants scored more than 700 points:

• Generalissima (submissions) with 1,150 points, mostly from 3 featured articles, 2 featured lists, 7 good articles, and 13 did you know nominations;
• Arconning (submissions) with 791 points, mostly from 2 featured lists, 8 good articles, 4 did you know nominations, and plenty of reviews;
• AirshipJungleman29 (submissions) with 718 points, mostly from a high-multiplier featured article on Genghis Khan and 2 good articles; and
• BennyOnTheLoose (submissions) with 714 points, mostly from 1 featured article on Susanna Hoffs, 2 featured lists, and 3 good articles.

Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated. Contestants put in extraordinary amounts of effort during this round, and their scores can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 36 featured articles, 55 featured lists, 15 good articles, 93 in the news credits, and at least 333 did you know credits. They have conducted 357 featured content reviews, as well as 553 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 30 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Any content promoted after 29 August but before the start of Round 5 can be claimed during Round 5, which starts on 1 September at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. If two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Remember to claim your points within 14 days of earning them, and importantly, before the deadline on 31 October.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please see this page. Further questions are welcome on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiCup and the judges (Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs), Epicgenius (talk · contribs), and Frostly (talk · contribs)) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Wake Me Up When September Ends

On 30 September 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Wake Me Up When September Ends, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Green Day's "Wake Me Up When September Ends" became closely associated with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wake Me Up When September Ends. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Wake Me Up When September Ends), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Wake Me Up When September Ends/archive1

I've left comments for the FAC linked above. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:44, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate the comments you've left, and I'll attempt to implement them over the next few months. But I think what I want to do with the article based on the feedback so far will require some restructuring outside of the scope of an FAC, and therefore I've posted a request to withdraw the nomination. Thank you for taking the time to read the article. λ NegativeMP1 03:51, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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Disenchanted (My Chemical Romance song)

Hey there, I saw that you recently created a page for "Disenchanted", which is one of my favorite songs off the album! I'm not totally convinced of its notability though: when I proposed "Dead!", it seems like the consensus was that the article was kept because of both coverage in various listicle and certifications. However, while "Disenchanted" certainly has a few spots in rankings, it has no certification to speak of; and because the song isn't the primary subject of any of the article cited (nor that I could find), I don't know if it would survive the AfD process. I thought I'd just pass that information along, especially since I've become very, *very* disillusioned with the whole AfD process. Thanks for your work on the article regardless :) Leafy46 (talk) 21:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the compliments regarding the article itself, helps out a lot due to how I'm feeling about my current work right now. As for the notability concern, I definitely agree it has some flimsy coverage, but I think it technically meets the standards of what some modern song articles are built off of, and might even have a stronger case for a standalone article in comparison to "Dead!" (certification aside). I'm not trying to pull the "other stuff exists" card here, but in terms of available content about its role in the narrative of The Black Parade and its composition, I believe "Disenchanted" simply has more to work with. But if it does get sent to AfD or if someone (like you) chooses to merge it into the main Black Parade article, then I don't mind as long as the gist of the article content is properly summarized.

A bit off topic, but I highly dislike the main Black Parade article at present, because of how it fails to describe the contents of the album (including the songs, like "Disenchanted") properly, as well as the lack of a legacy section (to get an idea of an article that does do that, see Master of Puppets or Red). If someone later down the line (or even myself) chose to address that issue and let the article go into detail about what is in the album, then I would fully support a merge of "Cancer", "Dead", and "Disenchanted into the main article as I feel they could be easily summarized in a paragraph. But until then, I think that all three can stay separate. λ NegativeMP1 22:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm with you. I don't think that the article for The Black Parade would really stand up to a GAR, but I'm not going to be the one to call it out. I do plan on going through the article's songs at some point, though, similar to your foray through American Idiot --- I already got "Mama" to GA and have "I Don't Love You" on my radar. Leafy46 (talk) 23:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I've honestly kinda put the American Idiot project over to the side for now as I reassess how to handle song articles after Wake Me Up When September Ends' failed FAC; looking into the Black Parade - including making "Disenchanted" - is me working on stuff in the meantime. I wish you luck on IDLY. λ NegativeMP1 23:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Update: I'm gonna give trying to work on the album article a go, and I'm starting to put the sources together. It might not end up being the best rewrite, since this is one of the most important albums of the 2000s and my experience writing on music is fairly limited, but I'm almost certain I can make it at least acceptable as most of the sources are already there. I invite you to help out if you would like to, especially with your work and research on "Mama". λ NegativeMP1 07:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hotline Miami

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Your GA nomination of Hotline Miami

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Your GA nomination of Hotline Miami

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WikiCup 2024 November newsletter

The 2024 WikiCup has come to an end, with the final round being a very tight race. Our new champion is AirshipJungleman29 (submissions), who scored 2,283 points mainly through 3 high-multiplier FAs and 3 GAs on military history topics. By a 1% margin, Airship beat out last year's champion, BeanieFan11 (submissions), who scored second with 2,264 points, mainly from an impressive 58 GAs about athletes. In third place, Generalissima (submissions) scored 1,528 points, primarily from two FAs on U.S. Librarians of Congress and 20 GAs about various historical topics. Our other finalists are: Sammi Brie (submissions) with 879 points, Hey man im josh (submissions) with 533 points, BennyOnTheLoose (submissions) with 432 points, Arconning (submissions) with 244 points, and AryKun (submissions) with 15 points. Congratulations to our finalists and all who participated!

The final round was very productive, and contestants had 7 FAs, 9 FLs, 94 GAs, 73 FAC reviews, and 79 GAN reviews and peer reviews. Altogether, Misplaced Pages has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors all through the contest. Well done everyone!

All those who reached the final will receive awards and the following special awards will be made, based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or in the event of a tie, to the overall leader in this field.

• Generalissima (submissions) wins the featured article prize for 3 FAs in round 4, and 7 FAs overall.
• Hey man im josh (submissions) wins the featured list prize for 23 FLs overall.
• MaranoFan (submissions) wins the featured topic prize for 9 articles in featured topics in round 1.
• Hey man im josh (submissions) wins the featured content reviewer prize for 110 FA/FL reviews overall.
• BeanieFan11 (submissions) wins the good article prize for 58 GAs in round 5, and 70 GAs overall.
• Fritzmann (submissions) wins the good topic prize for 6 articles in good topics in round 2.
• Sammi Brie (submissions) wins the good article reviewer prize for 45 GA reviews in round 2, and 78 GA reviews overall.
• BeanieFan11 (submissions) wins the DYK prize, for 131 Did you know articles overall.
• Muboshgu (submissions) wins the ITN prize, for 15 In the news articles in round 1, and 36 overall.

Next year's competition will begin on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors, and we hope to see you all in the 2025 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement!

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