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Fake chopin "photo"

Apologies for not knowing the correct way to flag this but the 3rd chopin photo is a complete forgery. It is a photoshop manipulated crop of the following painting and should be removed. It is a hoax

https://ibb.co/1myysGj 2600:1702:B20:5A50:890F:E1BD:484D:C3DB (talk) 20:34, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

If nobody objects I will remove that image 12.49.47.122 (talk) 21:28, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Are you talking about this image? Well, this article certainly seems to indicate that it is uncertain (which the text should be changed too). That it is a complete hoax we would need sources to establish that it is a hoax; I'm afraid we can't take another editor's word on Misplaced Pages.

Now I'm wondering what exactly this image is; I don't see a source for it and it was only recently added. Something fishy going on here. Aza24 (talk) 22:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@Aza24 – here is the source you asked for: https://web.archive.org/web/20180907011929/https://en.chopin.nifc.pl/institute/events/news/id/4550 IntGrah (talk) 23:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, now removed. I've removed the other too; not seeing any sourcing/link for it and it was uploaded just last month. There's not really room in that section for extra images anyways, causes WP:Sandwiching Aza24 (talk) 23:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Aza24 the other daguerreotype is well-known to be genuine though, it's just so poor quality that it hardly gets passed around. I'm fine with it removed from that section. – IntGrah (talk) 23:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Birth place

I need a consensus that a birthplace can be defined as historical places, where Chopin was born in Żelazowa Wola, Duchy of Warsaw (now Poland). 49.150.14.10 (talk) 03:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

You may like to refer to a past discussion: Archive 2 IntGrah (talk) 11:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I put the Duchy of Warsaw as the place of birth because I noticed that the standard for biographical articles is to indicate in the infobox the State/political entity of the time, even if it is in a region traditionally associated with a nation, as is the case with Chopin. — Gaèlic 04:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Note that I've rangeblocked the OP for block evasion.-- Ponyo 16:23, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi protected glitch

The semi - protected icon is not showing up in the main article, only in the edit section. Is there intentional?

P.S. Has there been an attempt at trying to list the page as pending changes protection instead of semi protection?

Apologies in advance if these have already been answered. Wikieditor662 (talk) 06:18, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Good question, and I'm not sure. It should last until 2028 per this edit. It looks like it is indeed semi-protected, but the icon was not added; I'm not sure if that's something anyone can add. @Antandrus? Aza24 (talk) 14:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Huh. Maybe I'm missing something. @Wikieditor662: can you give me an example of a temporarily semi-protected article that has the icon you want to see? the pp-semi template just puts an unsightly banner-tag on the top. Antandrus (talk) 14:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, I believe the only other composers to be semi protected are Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven, and the semi protection lock works fine on them as far as I'm aware. Wikieditor662 (talk) 04:07, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Ah, ok, I added {{pp|small=yes}} to place the little silver icon. (It should be easier to find that in the documentation. Usually I just let the bot add it after I've placed a protection.) I'd rather not use pending changes because then we'll just have a flood of IP edits changing Chopin's nationality or birthdate showing in the history but not approved; in my opinion that's just a lot of unnecessary bother. Antandrus (talk) 15:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Thank you! Aza24 (talk) 23:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2024

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Change Maine name from frederic Francois Chopin to Fryderyk Franciszek Chopin He felt completely Polish and longed for Poland (that is why before his death he asked for his heart to rest in Poland). He changed his name only for practical reasons and so that the Russian authorities would not have a problem with him.the main name at the very beginning of the page is misleading 85.221.145.240 (talk) 20:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Not done We go by what reliable English language sources say. I think this may have been discussed previously. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

sorry i dont know about previous discussion 85.221.145.240 (talk) 20:40, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Those who say that Chopin had a French father decidedly overlook the fact that his mother came from a well-known (for those times) noble family (its origins go back to the Middle Ages), the krzyżanowski family of the świnka coat of arms, which at the very beginning of the debate makes Chopin 50% Polish and most historical sources agree that he was born in Poland. These arguments led me to believe that we should change Chopin's name to the Polish one he was born with and, in parentheses, write that he later changed it due to emigration problems (as it is now written that he was born under a surname, I propose a change). However, if anyone has sources confirming his Frenchness, please provide them 85.221.145.240 (talk) 20:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I'm one of those who say that "Chopin had a French father". Because he did. What may have been written, on a Polish birth certificate (or a parish baptismal record), in 1810, doesn't necessarily dictate how his name is spelled, on English-language Misplaced Pages, in 2024? Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Chopin never feld Polish, and all interesting music composed went through his times in Paris and France, he had to leave Poland to feel free, he caractarised the polish people as weak, especially when Russinas took over, its written in his letters to his familly, then he asked to be french citizen, he never returned to his birthplace in Poland, as all great musicians and creativity was alive in Paris.. lot of bias from neo nationalists in Poland will never hide the truth! the only link, affective link in Poland was his mother.. 78.112.174.183 (talk) 13:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Permanent dead link

This link from the "Further reading" section: Chopin iconography, has become a gambling website. Should I delete this and keep the archived link? ChopinChemist 23:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I've removed it - non-English links aren't generally included per WP:NONENGEL. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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