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Reliability of sources listed at WP:ICTFSOURCES
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I've observed that many users often refer to WP:ICTFSOURCES when assessing the reliability of sources used in articles related to Indian films/actors. I believe it's time to completely update the current list located at WP:ICTFSOURCES. Many of the sources listed there are involved in press releases, paid branding, and brand posts. The last discussion on this matter took place eight years ago, and within this timeframe, the credibility of many sources has likely changed. Therefore, I'm initiating a new discussion to update the list. I'm pinging @JavaHurricane as they discussed this matter in the NPP discord channel a few months ago. I'm also pinging users who participated in the previous discussion for their input. @Bollyjeff, @Cyphoidbomb. – DreamRimmer (talk) 08:02, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- I agree. Most of the sources are biased and paid. A certain concrete guideline must be set and preferably an RfC must be done to single out the actual tracker websites. Also, I should add that in down South, such tracker websites do not exist. Sites such as Pinkvilla only track the movies only if the movie makes headlines. Hence, that should also be kept in mind. The discrepancies between the actual collections and the publicized collections by the producers have caused multiple edit wars in many pages, especially in Malayalam movie pages. So, if we can get a consensus on that, it would be great. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Hey all, I am starting this RfC for the abovementioned reason – to analyse the authenticity and reliability of current ICTFSOURCES, and to reassess and update the sources enlisted. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:33, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- @The Herald, I plan to share my detailed thoughts when I have a bit more free time. In the meantime, would you mind listing the sources we typically use and sharing your opinion on each? This would be really helpful for streamlining the process and finding even better sources. – DreamRimmer (talk) 14:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Good plans here to update the list. I think also it should be merged into Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force/ICTF FAQ. The table format is more in line with Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, allowing for rationales and links to past discussions on each source. Something I've been meaning to tackle for a while. --Geniac (talk) 15:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer:, shall we revisit this RfC this weekend? Summer box office need a good guideline and pointers. What I was thinking is, let's just pick apart the ones under reliable section and scrutinize every single one and try to reach a consensus. A level 3 heading for each, which will help future editors to link faster and search faster. Savvy? The Herald (Benison) (talk) 03:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I have started an essay for better source analysis, which when completed, can incorporate this RfC results and can be transcluded into the page, or can even be made as an opinion/guideline essay. I am thinking of a table like WP:RS/P in alphabetical order for faster and easier navigation. Anyone can drop by and help out with suggestions or edits. Thanks and happy editing. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- The Herald, this is EXCELLENT. I think once complete, it will be easier to update in the same manner WP:RS/P is based on any future WP:RSN thread. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Done I have created a shortcut WP:ICTFSA (Yes, a pun on essay and Source Analysis as well). More sources can be added onto it from ICTFFAQ or after consensus from here or RSN. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Good work Herald. – DreamRimmer (talk) 04:43, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Could someone add a section for Indiantelevision.com as well. Please refer this. Thanks C1K98V 12:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Now please add your views and comments too :) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 12:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Could someone add a section for Indiantelevision.com as well. Please refer this. Thanks C1K98V 12:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Good work Herald. – DreamRimmer (talk) 04:43, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The Herald, this is EXCELLENT. I think once complete, it will be easier to update in the same manner WP:RS/P is based on any future WP:RSN thread. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: Please do not edit the verdict line when there is no clear consensus in RS/P, or on RS/N or any talk pages. Only the clear consensus discussions are deemed automatically reliable.
123Telugu
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- 1, 2, 3
- Comments
- I see this being added to pages on the same day the articles come out. Gives me the impression of possible COI. Regardless, there seems to be discussion that it is not reliable. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- About us shows that the site is owned by Telugu film producer Sri Shyam Prasad Reddy. This itself makes it unreliable I think. RangersRus (talk) 15:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
@The Herald:, is there a time period for commenting you are hoping for? Wondering if some of these such as those discussed already at RSN should be added to the list. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have a specific time period in my mind. But the ones who's reliability or unreliability is established, we can close the subsection and add it to the list. Ideally, an uninvolved editor should close, so maybe we can ping some admin or someone who's active here for that. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Makes sense. Thanks. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have posted on WP:RSN to get verdict on these sources moviecrow.com, 123telugu.com, Indiaglitz.com, cinejosh.com, behindwoods.com, thesouthfirst.com, latestly.com. Still what you think of these sources? @CNMall41: @The Herald: RangersRus (talk) 14:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Except for Cinejosh I see the others as usable. But maybe I'm wrong about Cinejosh. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I too have doubt about cinejosh.com but also for moviecrow.com (does not have any information on this site about the company. Maybe a blog or personal site). 123telugu.com has been considered unreliable for boxoffice numbers and as a whole site unreliable but had no final stance to completely put it on the unreliable list. Indiaglitz also has nothing on the company information and the contact us link takes you to homepage. This too seems a personal site or a blog. Others too I have doubts. RangersRus (talk) 15:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- 123Telugu can be used for general film-related updates and independent interviews. This site have many articles that are related to smaller Telugu films doesn't have in the mainline media. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Question is reliability. The site is owned by Telugu film producer Sri Shyam Prasad Reddy and this puts the reliability of this source in question adding onto what is said here by an administrator Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force/Archive_8#Reliability_of_123Telugu.com_-_123telugu. RangersRus (talk) 17:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- 123Telugu can be used for general film-related updates and independent interviews. This site have many articles that are related to smaller Telugu films doesn't have in the mainline media. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I too have doubt about cinejosh.com but also for moviecrow.com (does not have any information on this site about the company. Maybe a blog or personal site). 123telugu.com has been considered unreliable for boxoffice numbers and as a whole site unreliable but had no final stance to completely put it on the unreliable list. Indiaglitz also has nothing on the company information and the contact us link takes you to homepage. This too seems a personal site or a blog. Others too I have doubts. RangersRus (talk) 15:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Except for Cinejosh I see the others as usable. But maybe I'm wrong about Cinejosh. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have a specific time period in my mind. But the ones who's reliability or unreliability is established, we can close the subsection and add it to the list. Ideally, an uninvolved editor should close, so maybe we can ping some admin or someone who's active here for that. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
Bollywood Hungama by Hungama Digital Media Entertainment
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
BOL Network
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Specifically BOLNEWS which is used 400+ times as a reference on Misplaced Pages. Cannot find editorial standards so unsure if reliable or not. Although the network is out of Pakistan, it has many references for Indian and other non-Pakistani cinema.--CNMall41 (talk) 03:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- I added a recent RSN discussion which indicates it's generally unreliable. It was also added to WP:NPPSG as unreliable based the discussion. S0091 (talk) 18:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
Box Office India (Boxofficeindia.com)
Per BOI's About us page, "The figures on the website are not taken from producers or distributors of the respective films but independent estimates from our sources and then cross checked through cinema collections." If true, this suggests that they're not acting as mouthpieces for the production companies (i.e. acting as a primary source by proxy). Archive
— WP:ICTFFAQ table
In mid-2019 we discovered that BOI's budget figures included print and advertising costs. (See this discussion) Worldwide, when people reference a film's budget, they mean the production budget, i.e. the cost of making the film, not the cost of marketing it. So we should try to find a better source for budget than Box Office India. If we have no choice but to use BOI, then we should include notes that clarify that the budget figure is not consistent with other figures. Ex: "(Note: this figure includes print and advertising costs.)" or similar.
Now, this is still true because we still have no other proper tracker website for Indian movies, especially Bollywood. Biased or not, the BO figures are almost close to the reported verified amount. So I'll put this one as a reliable source. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- @The Herald I completely agree with the above. There was also a discussion in which the credibility of BoxOfficeIndia.com was questioned for South films. However, since the user was identified as a sockpuppet, it can only be seen as an attempt to discredit BoxOfficeIndia.com rather than the other way around. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 05:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
Box Office India (Boxofficeindia.co.in)
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
Business Standard
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Paid articles are published by Business Standard here. Articles which's URL contain "content/specials/" are sponsored. Grabup (talk) 18:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- All articles in the Content/specials/ doesn't contain disclaimers, some contains, same like India Today. Here are some examples:
- Grabup (talk) 18:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
Business Today
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
CNN-IBN's IBN Live
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
Daily News and Analysis
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
Deccan Chronicle
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- One thing to watch for (and maybe we just need a disclaimer if the overall source is found to be reliable) is anything marked as written by "DC Correspondent." These are contributor posts and often have a disclaimer that they have not been vetted by editorial staff. --CNMall41 (talk) 09:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
Deccan Herald
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
Dina Thanthi
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
Dinakaran by Sun Group
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
EastMojo
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- 1
- Comments
- I brought this up at RSN a while back but only had one comment. It is being used a few hundred times as a reference but do not see it as being reliable. Bringing it here since it seems to have a lot of film references and we are addressing many of them now. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
Filmfare
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- It is used over 2000 times as a reference on Misplaced Pages. Here is their about page. I do not see editorial oversight and sounds more like TMZ in my opinion. Just at first glance I think it could be used maybe to verify basic information such as film roles but nothing for notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
Film Companion
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
Film Information
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- run by Komal Nahta; see here, for example
- Verdict
Firstpost
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- 1
- Comments
- Verdict
Forbes India
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- 1 ("Branded Content" discussion), 2
- Comments
- Used 800+ times in Misplaced Pages. Note that it is NOT overseen by Forbes editorial staff. It is (what I believe) branded as Forbes (likely from licensing agreement). It is actually owned by Network 18. It is used as a reference in many film and actor pages.--CNMall41 (talk) 03:22, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
Hindustan Times
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
In my experience with press release work, Hindustan Times stands out as a prominent website for publishing paid brand posts. It's crucial to note that any article lacking a specific author shouldn't be relied upon. Furthermore, it's advisable to avoid using articles with a disclaimer or those tagged as brand posts. – DreamRimmer (talk) 11:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Help us to remove these 42 Sponsored Hindustan Times articles cited on Misplaced Pages. Grabup (talk) 15:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have been cleaning some of these up. I am also finding there are quite a few paid posts from other sites on those Misplaced Pages pages and sent three to AfD already. I would actually lean towards saying only using HT with staff written articles for verification of basic facts (release dates, etc.) and NOT for notability. And NEVER using anything that is paid, branded, no-byline, or otherwise falling under NEWSORGINDIA. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
India Today by Living Media
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- India Today has published paid articles within its "Impact Feature" section, with 50 articles currently cited. It's important to note that sponsored content should not be used as a citation. I encourage anyone to help remove them; I'm actively working on it as well. Grabup (talk) 09:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- They haven't included disclaimers in all of their Impact Feature articles, but there are some instances where disclaimers have been added to articles. "Disclaimer: The contents herein are for informational purposes only. If you have any queries, you should directly reach out to the advertiser. India Today Group does not guarantee, vouch for, endorse any of its contents and hereby disclaims all warranties, express or implied, relating to the same."
- Examples:
- 1. https://www.indiatoday.in/impact-feature/story/piramal-finance-offers-home-loans-with-seamless-process-and-competitive-terms-2510232-2024-03-04
- 2. https://www.indiatoday.in/impact-feature/story/could-2024-be-the-year-gold-has-been-waiting-for-a-long-time-2503014-2024-02-16
- 3. https://www.indiatoday.in/impact-feature/story/breaking-barriers-celebrating-women-achievers-across-industries-2490394-2024-01-18
- Grabup (talk) 10:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- This is clearly the case; also note that the people in the byline at the bottom of the page will typically come back with marketing positions in the company. I've updated my entry here and will be happy to help remove these. Sam Kuru (talk) 11:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Kuru, thanks for User:Kuru/fakesources; it's really helpful. – DreamRimmer (talk) 11:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wow, this is gold. Thanks Kuru :) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Kuru, thanks for User:Kuru/fakesources; it's really helpful. – DreamRimmer (talk) 11:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- This is clearly the case; also note that the people in the byline at the bottom of the page will typically come back with marketing positions in the company. I've updated my entry here and will be happy to help remove these. Sam Kuru (talk) 11:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
Indiatimes by The Times Group
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
Indiantelevision.com
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- There are currently 1000+ uses of Indiantelevision.com, the same owner as TellyChakkar.com. And this raises concerns on its reliability. --C1K98V 18:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
- Unreliable per discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force/Archive 9#Indiantelevision.com
Magna Publications
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
Mid Day
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
Mint (newspaper) by HT Media
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
Mumbai Mirror by The Times Group
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
NDTV
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
News18 India
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- 1
- Comments
- Verdict
Outlook
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- There are currently 17 uses of Outlook India "business spotlight." I believe the publication would be reliable OUTSIDE of that but these are paid-for articles. I would support reliability but maybe a note in the box that says those marked as "business spotlight" or sponsored should not be used as a reference (in the process of removing the 17 I linked to above once I get the time). --CNMall41 (talk) 06:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. The paid-for shall not be considered as reliable at all. Reliable outside the paid-for articles. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
Pinkvilla.com
- Included in RS/P?
N- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- 1, 2, 3
- Comments
- Website editorial guidelines for reference.--CNMall41 (talk) 07:05, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- With an editorial team and a published editorial policy, as well as an affiliate disclosure, Pinkvilla.com can be deemed reliable due to their reportings to be very close to the actual BO figures and other film related news. But, I'll still stay clear of the gossip section. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- How'd one determine an actual BO figure? — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 14:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- What I do is go through the established RS. Most of the time, all of them stick to a particular figure (lets say X). Sometimes, they have discrepancies, and I use the figures as a range (est. ₹ X - Y crores). Pinkvilla almost always give the same figures as other RS and it is always less than the promotional figures tweeted by filmmakers and other primary sources. Hence, I use them as RS. (As they say, if it looks like a RS and posts like a RS, it is most probably is a RS , lol.) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think pinkvilla is a reliable source. They underreport south india movies collections a lot. I think for better reporting. Need to rethink about pinkvilla as reliable source for south indian movies. NithishSagi (talk) 14:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)— NithishSagi (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- What I do is go through the established RS. Most of the time, all of them stick to a particular figure (lets say X). Sometimes, they have discrepancies, and I use the figures as a range (est. ₹ X - Y crores). Pinkvilla almost always give the same figures as other RS and it is always less than the promotional figures tweeted by filmmakers and other primary sources. Hence, I use them as RS. (As they say, if it looks like a RS and posts like a RS, it is most probably is a RS , lol.) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- How'd one determine an actual BO figure? — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 14:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- With an editorial team and a published editorial policy, as well as an affiliate disclosure, Pinkvilla.com can be deemed reliable due to their reportings to be very close to the actual BO figures and other film related news. But, I'll still stay clear of the gossip section. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
Rediff.com
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
Reviewit.pk
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- 1
- Comments
- I brought this up at RSN a few months back. Looks like auto generated content from Twitter and also possibly paid. I would suggest adding this as an unreliable source.
- Verdict
Screen (magazine)
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
Sify
The Economic Times
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
The Express Tribune
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
The Financial Express
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Similar to the note on Outlook India above, First Post has sponsored content marked as "brand wagon" (often included in the URL as well). I have no comment on the reliability of the overall publication but will say the branded posts should not be used in my opinion. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
The Hindu Business Line
- Included in RS/P?
Y- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Y
- Comments
- Subsidiary of The Hindu (WP:THEHINDU)
- Verdict
- Y Reliable source
The Hindu
- Included in RS/P?
- Y
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Y
- Comments
- Reliable per WP:THEHINDU
- Verdict
- Y Reliable source
The Indian Express
- Included in RS/P?
- Y
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Y
- Comments
- Reliable per WP:INDIANEXP
- Verdict
- Y Reliable source
The News Minute
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
The Statesman
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
The Telegraph
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Verdict
The Tribune
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Similar to Outlook, The Tribune has paid articles "Impact Feature". Grabup (talk) 09:46, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
The Wire
- Included in RS/P?
- Y
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Y
- Comments
- Reliable per WP:RS/P
- Verdict
- Y Reliable source
Zee News
Zee News is owned by Zee Media Corporation. They also have other publications such as Daily News and Analysis. Not sure if we should address any of these individual or JUST Zee News for the purpose of the RfC. Just throwing it out there. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- DNA is already added in the RfC above. I'd say while we are at it, let's review all the sources. India.com is deemed unreliable per this discussion. So, that's out. I don't know other publications under them. If there are any that are used frequently, by all means add them to the miscellaneous category below. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
- In addition to the aforementioned sources, the following references are also brought up multiple times and are used in various pages.
Koimoi
- Included in RS/P?
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OTTPlay.com
- Included in RS/P?
- N
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- N
- Comments
According to their website (About us page), they apparently use 4 sources; Hindustan Times, Film Companion, Live Mint and Desi Martini, of which HT and Mint are reliable per RSP and RSN. Desi Martini is a partner site for HT. Film Companion, I'm not so sure cuz the page doesn't mention anywhere about their sources or their origin or history, hence sounds dubious. But other than that, OTTPlay.com should belong in the reliable side of the spectrum. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am coming across this one quite a bit when sourcing filmographies. I think the main issue I have is that it is a commercial website and they benefit from aggregating news. A lot of the articles are bylined "Team OTTplay" so not sure if these are coming from the reliable sources or if they are original content from that site. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Verdict
The Times of India
- Included in RS/P?
- WP:TOI
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
- Per RS/P The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It has a bias in favor of the Indian government and is known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage. That puts TOI in either unreliable or no consensus region. It is generally unreliable for box office figures since I have seen them using Sacnilk.com and promotional figures a lot. They may be reliable for news articles, but IMO it all should be taken with a pinch of salt. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Help us to remove these sponsored articles published by Times of India, (1), (2). Grabup (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I found another subsection with containing Lifesyle/Spotlight on The Times of India, this subsection is cited 185 times without drafts and 193 times with drafts. I found a article on the same subsection which contain a disclaimer “ The article has been produced on behalf of Globsyn Business” but other articles majorly does not contain any disclaimer.
- *193 cited list
- Verdict
The New Indian Express
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
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IndiaGlitz
- Included in RS/P?
- Discussed in RS/N or any talk pages?
- Comments
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cinejosh.com
- Included in RS/P?
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behindwoods.com
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thesouthfirst.com
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latestly.com
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International Business Times
I have removed citations directing to this source in the Box Office sections for Srimanthudu, 1: Nenokkadine, and Attarintiki Daredi as per WP:IBTIMES. However, the collections mentioned in the source’s articles and in the movies’ Misplaced Pages pages are reported by Taran Adarsh, who is a well-known trade analyst. Does this reduce the unreliability of the source? We are the Great (talk) 19:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- The page on him says that Adarsh is "best known for giving trade figures and box office updates on social media, as well as his reviews for Bollywood Hungama" and the career section of his page states, "Taran Adarsh started his journalism career at the age of 15 with Trade Guide, a weekly box office magazine. In 1994, Adarsh produced and wrote the Bollywood film-based TV serial Hello Bollywood, starring Shehzad Khan and Kashmera Shah. He continued his work on Trade Guide alongside. He is currently an active film critic, journalist and trade analyst on Bollywood Hungama, a Bollywood entertainment website". The problem is there are only 4 references on his page, and the article is stub-class. Does that mean that his page lacks notability? We are the Great (talk) 19:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- WP:IBTIMES is not reliable at all so it does not matter where they get reports from even if they claim that the report was from someone reliable. RangersRus (talk) 15:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- No the page Taran Adarsh does not lack notability. Critic passes WP:JOURNALIST. If anything, page can be improved with more information on the critic and his career. RangersRus (talk) 16:03, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
The Hans India
In an recent edit, I noticed Hans India box office collection data on Kalki 2898 AD has been included in it's infobox. But I couldn't find the source in the list on this page.
So, can The Hans India be considered as reliable for box office collections? BhikhariInformer (talk) 15:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it is reliable source and has been discussed before here and here. RangersRus (talk) 15:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Okay.
- Thanks BhikhariInformer (talk) 18:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
John Mahendran
This director himself (from his edit summaries) is editing the page himself and removing failure films that make him look bad. Proof: . In fact, see all his contributions here . If he doesn't publicly declare COI, he shouldn't be allowed to edit his own page. Do check out User talk:John mahendran#Why are you hiding your Telugu films? DareshMohan (talk) 19:37, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Gautam Raju page move discussion
An editor has requested that Gautam Raju be moved to Gautham Raju, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. TiggerJay (talk) 05:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Scanned magazine articles on bobbytalkscinema.com
So this website is posting scanned articles from magazines like "Trade Guide" and "Film Information." Should these be considered reliable? Link:https://www.bobbytalkscinema.com/recentpost/the-case-of-classification-of--2532 Sid95Q (talk) 11:09, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Is there any consensus on "Film Information" or "Trade Guide"? If so, it looks like there are links redirecting to these magazine articles, so I think we can use them. However, it is worth mentioning that the website housing these articles is a blog. And the blog’s name is on the magazines’ articles. We are the Great (talk) 14:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Comscore
Report from Comscore on the gross collection is used in this TOI article. This is new to me so need help with consensus if this report from comscore is reliable or not. RangersRus (talk) 11:47, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
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