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Blocking Theposterizer

For one edit? UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 21:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I think it's likely they were a returning user. PhilKnight (talk) 22:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I wanted to say, I'm sorry for writing disrespectful comments to you PhilKnight. 23.242.152.4 (talk) 00:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Also, for the Nurburgring article, the format's messed up (I swear I didn't do it), and someone keeps putting the wrong record for the Nordschleife section. I put 5:19.546, while the previous one put Stefan Bellof's time. Anyway, I'm sorry for being rude PhilKNight. 23.242.152.4 (talk) 00:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

IP Edit Warrior at Second Life

Back again with their IPv6 range: . Grateful if you could take care of that when you have a minute. Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

UTRS appeal #92777

Restore talk page access? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That's written by an LLM. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

ScottishFinnishRadish, are you sure? According to Zerogpt it's human written. Deepfriedokra, I think it's good enough to restore talk page access. PhilKnight (talk) 18:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd bet at least 10 dollars on it. The use of language is entirely different from all prior appeals, as is the use of punctuation. The layout of

• Point

  explanation

• point

  explanation

• point

  explanation

is written exactly as a lot of LLMs crap things out. The last sentence also uses that open ended in conclusion style that LLMs use, and the request for reconsideration bullet point sets alarm bells ringing.

GPTzero gives it 100%, and zerogtp gives it 2.83%. My using ChatGPT as a tool for running dungeons and dragons games gives me 90+%. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough, perhaps don't restore talk page access. PhilKnight (talk) 18:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Okie dokie. Thanks. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

If you don't believe it's LLM generated you can restore access and let other admins and editors review it. I've been wrong before, and I'll certainly be wrong again. In this case I'm pretty sure, pulling TPA again is cheap. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

That is absolutely LLM-generated. -- asilvering (talk) 18:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Expertise and Human Oversight

The unblock request in question shows clear signs of human authorship due to its nuanced understanding of the context and the careful application of discretion. Unlike a Language Learning Model (LLM), which generates responses based on patterns and rules, a human writer often incorporates domain-specific expertise, subjective reasoning, and a personalized tone. These qualities are difficult to replicate convincingly in LLM-generated content.

• Structured Justification

The unblock request provides a structured argument that goes beyond simple logic or direct response generation. For example, it might anticipate objections, incorporate external factors such as organizational policies, or make references to specific scenarios. This layered reasoning suggests deliberate thought and an understanding of elements that an LLM would not infer without direct user input.

• Adaptive and Non-Patterned Language

LLM outputs often follow predictable patterns or templates, particularly when handling requests like unblocking. A unique writing style, use of idiomatic expressions, or context-aware references in the unblock request points to human creativity rather than automated response generation. The presence of these elements demonstrates an understanding of subtleties that are beyond the capacity of an LLM without being explicitly prompted.

These points indicate the unblock request's origin as human-generated, driven by expertise and adaptive reasoning. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:46, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

youre killing me asilvering (talk) 19:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

An LLM cannot kill, even figuratively, because it has no physical presence, intent, or consciousness—it is a passive tool designed to process and generate text. Any harm attributed to an LLM comes from human misuse or interpretation, not from its own actions. The response provided here demonstrates nuanced reasoning and an intentional tone that clearly reflect human authorship, as an LLM would not self-reference or engage in this type of verification. By its nature, an LLM lacks the capacity for independent decision-making, let alone causing harm, and this explanation was crafted without relying on an automated system. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

When the LLMs get just a little better we're going to buried under such an incredible deluge of bullshit. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:57, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

My semi-professional opinion is that unless someone comes out with another bombshell like Attention Is All You Need, they're not headed to get much better, unless highly specialized. Not looking forward to the ANI thread about the first guy who spins up a solid WP:NSPECIES or WP:NPROF article generator. -- asilvering (talk) 20:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Block evasion

Greetings, Phil, I hope you are doing well. I just wanted to draw your attention towards one of the LTAs, User:TheChunky, aka User:Anzer Ayoob, who has been here to promote his spam blog for years, Draft:The Chenab Times. User:TheChunky was blocked by Rosguill as the sock of User:Anzer Ayoob, who is the only founder of The Chenab Times and a long-term spammer. It seems they are again with another WP:SPA account ParineetiShah to have their website's Misplaced Pages article. In March 2024, Courcelles blocked the new account User:Augum for the same purpose and salted the page (autoconfirmed) based on the discussions and . I believe this time they are back with the autoconfirmed WP:SPA account and a different strategy to have their blog's Misplaced Pages article. I think it needs a tougher salting this time to prevent this long-term abuse. A quick look at the history of the previous version of the deleted draft will be helpful here. I will request you to kindly look into this case. Regards, Maliner (talk) 20:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Maliner, I think the evidence you have provided would be enough for a checkuser, but isn't sufficient for a block. The problem is that the accounts to compare a checkuser to are stale. Other admins may disagree, so I suggest you file a WP:SPI to bring this to a wider audience. PhilKnight (talk) 20:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@PhilKnight Thanks Phil I will do that. Maliner (talk) 09:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Phil, for your guidance. They are blocked now. Since I have done some work with you at SPI, I just need your opinion, whether I should apply for trainee SPI clerk or should I take some more time to familiarize myself with sock masters and sock puppets before applying? You can have a look at the User:Maliner/SPI log. Your opinion in this regard will be appreciated. Regards. Maliner (talk) 16:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Maliner, I would suggest applying as you have nothing to lose. PhilKnight (talk) 19:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@PhilKnight Thanks! Maliner (talk) 14:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Kinda delayed rename request

I just noticed User talk:Creatives Garage. Usually the renaming parts of unblock-spamun are done before I notice it; might this have been overlooked, or am I missing a detail? --jpgordon 23:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jpgordon, I have renamed the user. PhilKnight (talk) 23:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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Blocked for reverting CITE SPAM?!?

I wish you would have BOTHERED TO CHECK THE EDIT HISTORY. I have been everting obvious COI CITESPAM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Traffic_simulation&oldid=1258419722

Misplaced Pages is EXTREMELY UNFRIENDLY AND UNPLEASANT.

Yes, I made a mistake and undid it moments later. In my defense, you could have left an edit summary on this edit and the mistake wouldn't have happened. PhilKnight (talk) 20:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Harry the house

Thanks for blocking this one. Here's another. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 17:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Done. PhilKnight (talk) 17:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Croissant

Hi PhilKnight, someone added Austria in infobox again as the origin of croissant despite the discussion and consensus agreeing to put France only. 2A02:8388:8C45:BD00:294C:15BC:37D7:945D (talk) 07:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I undid their edit, and asked them to take it to the talk page. PhilKnight (talk) 19:09, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations

Hi, an editor intentionally has an indentic name (which I'm sure is part of this investigation Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Herktik78/Archive). Since I don't know how to open a new discussion, please check and block this WP:SOCK editor. Thanks! Plugaru (talk) 14:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done. PhilKnight (talk) 15:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Plugaru (talk page watcher) For what it's worth, Twinkle can help with opening new SPI discussions. However, experienced as I am, I've never used that feature, and might be tempted do as you just did if I were to mess up. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Completely false information how to edit?

Hi PhilKnight,

I am navigating a Czech language version and have come across a person who has created a totally false Misplaced Pages page with totally false information about himself and his relationship to a well-know family. He has appropriated a last name that is not his and is stating that he is directly related to people to whom he is not related at all. How can I edit this false information ( basically all the page?) This is the page- https://cs.wikipedia.org/Wikipedista:Pavel_Kinsk%C3%BD I appreciate any response Rebellion47 (talk) 09:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

You need to contact the administrators on the Czech language Misplaced Pages. I don't have any relationship to the Czech language version. PhilKnight (talk) 11:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, it's a bit hard to find who to contact but I will try Rebellion47 (talk) 06:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Open proxy

Can you have a look at Special:Contributions/14.192.213.202, it appears to be an open proxy as well ]. Thanks. - Ratnahastin (talk) 17:03, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done. PhilKnight (talk) 17:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/AndresHerutJaim

Phil, I know Sean posted after your decline. I also knew that he hadn't pinged you. That's why I did. I didn't mean to imply that you had missed the comment when you declined.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry for the misunderstanding. PhilKnight (talk) 14:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you so much for resolving the misunderstanding and unblocking me, I really-really appreciate it!

While I was blocked and reading virtually everything there is on blocking, I read that there is a practice of giving a short block to a person and writing the reason the previous block was cancelled. If it is possible and appropriate, I would like to request it so that my block log can reflect that we've established that I am not Hamish Ross. I understand that I got on the radar because all I do is revert unconstructive edits and sending out warnings, so I am worried that this situation may repeat in the future.

And another small question, is it appropriate for me to clean up my talk page and remove the block/unblock discussions? Once again, huge thank you for your time and effort! Cryo Cavalry (talk) 10:54, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

No problem. I blocked you for one second, and left a note. You are free to remove the block/unblock discussions. PhilKnight (talk) 11:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

QC Concern

Hello; I don't know if this is the right place or format to raise this issue, but I trust that an administrator would be able to figure it out.

A brief look at the edit history of the Annoying Orange page led me to User talk:TheFlamer2024 (is this the right page to link here?) - This contributor has a bad track record of low-quality posts from what I saw in the edit history pages; poor changes and habits which lead to confusingly worded, obfuscated, or outright false information. I am not sure what to do with this information since I do not use much of the community part of Misplaced Pages, but I felt it should be noted somewhere. HabrosNitwit (talk) 15:11, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, if you feel administrative action such as a block should be used against them, the correct forum to post your concerns is WP:ANI. You will need diffs of problematic conduct. However, given the user is quite new, I would recommend you let it go for now, ans see how they develop as they continue editing. PhilKnight (talk) 15:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

YGM

Maliner (talk) 19:28, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

New article for Appian Capital Advisory

Hello PhilKnight. I am the declared COI editor for Appian Capital Advisory, the private equity company. I noticed your participation in WikiProject Companies and am reaching out to ask you to review the wiki draft I put together for the firm. I'd appreciate your feedback and help in getting this article to mainspace Misplaced Pages. Thank you, AT for Appian (talk) 14:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi AT for Appian, I see that Paper9oll has replied to you. He knows more than I do about drafts. PhilKnight (talk) 22:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

IP-block

Can you extend the block for this IP to Arthashastra, or protect that page? @Doug Weller and El C: informing the two of you as well, as I am now involving multiple admins, with apologies for the inconvenience. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 17:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
See also diff, diff, and the IP-hopping. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 18:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Just letting you know that I am a different person, so I can save you from totally becoming paranoid. It's better if you take part in the Talk page discussion started by that other IP. However, whenever your POV pushing is challenged, this seems to be your natural reaction instead of proper engagement. Anyway, I reverted your latest revert of that IP because you are unilaterally and relentlessly pushing your views on these pages without any discussion with anyone. 103.92.120.14 (talk) 18:16, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Reblock a range, please

The range Special:Contributions/2603:8081:8BF0:3B30:0:0:0:0/64 could use your attention again. The person keeps inserting the name Laura Aguirre. Thanks in advance. Binksternet (talk) 20:55, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Blocked the /64 for 3 months. Thanks. PhilKnight (talk) 20:58, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Re:Unblock request

I saw you ping to me at the blocked user’s page. If you guys want to downgrade the indef to a partial block I’m cool with it, however this account has shown a preponderance for both ignoring consensus and mild ownership issues, if we downgrade the indef block we should be prepared to monitor the account for compliance. - (an unclogged in TomStar81) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1011:B13B:4672:D8B7:9D43:C2E7:20B1 (talk) 00:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Someone kept blocking me for correctly editing.

Hello. A few days ago, I was editing the Nurburgring article, and I saw a wrong lap time posted for Nordschleife, so I changed it to the current and correct one (5:19.546 set by Neel Jani in the Porsche 919 Hybrid Evo), but then someone blocked me for disruptive editing. I put the same record again after the guy who blocked me changed it, but then he blocked me so that I couldn't even put an "Unblock" request. I forgot who he was, but please make sure people don't do that kind of stuff. Thank you. 23.242.152.4 (talk) 00:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)