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OK @Remsense. Also, this article I added a statement, which implies that Judahites were the indigenous people of North Africa (Africa) and Britain prior Siege of Jerusalem (586 BC) or the Siege of Jerusalem (70 AD) 142.114.232.94 (talk) 19:47, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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The block is not right, esp for the article History of the Jews in Saudi Arabia, as I wrote that Saudi Arabian Judaism dates back 3,000 years, even before 586 BCE

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Judah]] extended to Hijaz before 586 BCE. My edits were right as the phrase "Jews established a state in northern Hijaz" must be "Judahites established a state in Northern Hijaz". Also, the word Jews implies that Judaism came to Arabia/Saudi Arabia after 1st century and/or due to Siege of Jerusalem (587 BC)

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@Ad Orientem, Sorry for disruption of Wiki (as I did). But, in Battir, the Arabic word خربة اليهود means "ruin of the Judahites". Please. 142.114.232.94 (talk) 19:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Change of a Judaism-related article

@Significa liberdade, that change I want for this article is the change of the phrase "The German orientalist Ferdinand Wüstenfeld believed that the Jews established a state in northern Hejaz" to "the German orientalist Ferdinand Wüstenfeld believed that the Judahites established a state in northern Hejaz" cuz word "Jew" obscures not just Biblical meaning of Arabic* "Al-Yahud (يهود)", but that it leaves one with the idea that Judaism came to Saudi Arabia since 587 BC or 70 AD, but not before that. Any thoughts? 142.114.232.94 (talk) 00:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Given the context and my previous discussion here, can I presume you are also blocked at the following IP address: 207.236.13.191? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Yup I was blocked. 142.114.232.94 (talk) 02:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

 Administrator note You are not allowed to edit or request edits while you are blocked. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Ad Orientem! On the unblock request for IP 207, I had requested this editor share an edit they would like to make to Misplaced Pages if they were unblocked. They shared a response here later the same day. As such, I do not consider this an edit request while blocked, though other concerns may arise. However, both IPs are blocked. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 00:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'm not going to extend their block. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:59, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade, a change in article 'Yemeni Jews' is that "King Solomon sent Jewish merchant marines to Yemen to prospect for gold and silver with which to adorn his Temple in Jerusalem" must become "King Solomon sent Judahite and Israelite merchant marines to Yemen to prospect for gold and silver with which to adorn his Temple in Jerusalem".

I want this edit cuz certain Yemeni legends and traditions prove that its Judaism can be traced to the Queen of Sheba's visit to Kingdom of Jude!* Although it is true that Himyar was Judaized in the 3rd century, there were Judahites in the Yemen (South Arabia). 142.114.232.94 (talk) 21:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response! On Misplaced Pages, we have to provide information based on what the cited sources state. In this case, the sentence you provide is verified by Ken Blady's book Jewish Communities in Exotic Places, which does not mention the phrase "Judahite". As such, it would be inappropriate to switch the word "Jewish" with "Judahite and Israelite". Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 00:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the word "jew" exists, even in the KJV and Ken Blady's book, but it's use in the Bible is a shorthand/country code top-level domain of Jude.

So, when "Solomon sent Jewish merchant marines to Yemen to prospect for gold and silver with which to adorn his Temple in Jerusalem", it meant "Solomon sent Judahite merchant marines to Yemen to prospect for gold and silver with which to adorn his Temple in Jerusalem" 142.114.232.94 (talk) 02:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Unless you can find a reliable source (not the Bible) to verify the information provided in an article that uses the word Judahite, you should not add nor request to add the word Judahite to any articles. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade,

JEW or IEVV is English form of French word "Juive/Giu" (Ju) - contraction of "Judaeus/Iūdaeus" - the Latin way, "Ioudāios/Ioūḏāios (Ἰουdaῖος)" - a Hellenist form of "Iehûdi/Yehūḏi (יְהוּדִי)" - a derivative of "Jehudah (Iehūdâ/Yehûḏâh) - יְהוּדָה".

Thereby, "JEW" is a CCTLD of Historic Judah, whenever it's used in the KJV.

See the map at https://www.unrv.com/provinces/judaea.php. 142.114.232.94 (talk) 21:57, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I understand your point. However, it still stands that articles should reproduce the information and language used in the sources used to verify the information. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 23:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Significa liberdade Though the articles must reproduce the information and language(s) used in the sources for verification, I want an improvement of an article.

Also, note that the Judahites were within Arabia prior the rise of Muhammad. 142.114.232.94 (talk) 01:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Change History of the Jews in Spain and History of the Jews in Sardinia

@Significa liberdade, change the statement "the earliest significant Jewish presence in the Iberian Peninsula is generally traced back to the first centuries CE, when the region, known to the Romans as Hispania, was part of the Roman Empire.." in History of the Jews in Spain to "the earliest significant Judahite presence in Iberian Peninsula is traced back to the first centuries CE and before in the time of David". See the article https://british-israel.us/199.html on this. Also in this article you will see that the "Toledo" is a way of "Toledot" or "Toledos" - generations. Why does the article not quote Tacitus: "Some say that Judahites were fugitives from the island of Crete, who settled on the nearest coast of AFRIKA about the time when Saturn was driven from his throne by the power of Jupiter . Evidence of this is sought in the name. There is a famous mountain in Crete called Ida; the neighboring tribe, the Idaei, came to be called Judaei by a barbarous lengthening of the national name (Tacitus, The Histories, Book 5, sec. 2, Great Books of the Western World, 1952, Vol. 15).. Also, the article History of the Jews in Sardinia forgot to mention that Israelite and Judahite presence there. If these articles were unbiased, how it's not inclusive of so-called "opposing" viewpoints?".

Revelation 2:9 does not say "those who say they're jews", but "those who say they're Judahites, but are Satan's Synagogue". Goin by tis criteria, the "samaritans" fit it. Source: 142.114.232.94 (talk) 19:14, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Please do not request edits while you are blocked. If you continue to request edits while you are blocked, you may have your talk page access revoked. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:43, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Caer

In the article, Caer, the words that have to be added are: "there is a Hebrew term "Kiryah" meaning city or township, from the root "Kir" meaning wall. A Kiryah (Deuteronomy 2:36) was therefore a walled settlement. Palestinian Arab city Hebron was also known as Kiryat Arba (Genesis 25:26), Kiryat Chutsot (Numbers 22:39), Kiryat Yaarim (Joshua 15:9), We have Kiryat Sefer (Joshua 15:9),Kiryat Baal (Joshua 18:14), the present day Kiryat Shemoneh, Jerusalem is referred to as Kiryah Emunah (Isaiah 1:21, 26) i.e. The Faithful City. The name Carthage is derived from the Punic word "Kir yat Chadasha" i.e. new city, and so on.

"Caer", "Kir" and "Kir yah" sound more likely to be interchangeable that "Castra" and "Caer" do.

A lot of names amongst the Celts of the British Isles sound similar to Hebrew/Arab ones. Many words are of Hebrew/Arab origin or at least very similar to Hebrew/Arab in sound and meaning. It is widely agreed that the linguistic substratum is of Hamito-Semitic origin the same as Arab/Hebraic (Hebride)". So, the article should include these words, "Caer" - as in "Caer Troia" is a corruption of the Punic word "Qir•yâṯ" or "Qir•yâth (Kir·yat)..." which means "a walled town" or "town" -- as in Kir yat Ar•ba, Kir•yat Ya•arim, Kir•yat Shamona, Kir•yat Sefer and Jerusalem e.g.,. Also, the Punic (Phoenicians) were a confederation of the Arabs (Hebrews) of the Kingdom of Israel, Kingdom of Jude and Edom, who travelled westward from Syria Greater by ships to discover and plant settlements in Italy, Sardinia, Ebusus, Malta, Corsica, Africa (North Africa), Morocco (America) and Sahara (Afrika), Canaries, France, Hispania (Iberia) and British Isles, where they got tin. They were well known for the invention of the Alphabet system.

(Note: I ain't citing things from 1 source, neither do I believe that 1 source is fully accurate as was evidenced by Ensign-message web, where a preacher's article disagrees with my views about "Doctor Brains" and Virtual Reality)

 Not done: Please do not request article edits while you are blocked. If you are trying to show that you understand how to appropriately cite information and contribute meaningfully to Misplaced Pages, please make that clear. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:48, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade, I will make sure that not just I get sources for my info, but I will not vandalize. 142.114.232.94 (talk) 20:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

ok 142.114.232.94 (talk) 23:40, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

OK, I will make sure. 142.114.232.94 (talk) 21:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

References

1. https://hope-of-israel.org/magus.html
2. https://hebrewnations.com/articles/linguistics/caer.html
3. https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/first-rulers-mediterranean/
4. https://www.hope-of-israel.org/celticcommon.html
5. https://www.hope-of-israel.org/whowerescots.htm
6. https://www.hope-of-israel.org/1stwavetrek.html
7. british-israel.us
8. https://www.hope-of-israel.org/theAncientGreeks.htm
9. https://www.hope-of-israel.org/i000109a.htm
10. https://ensignmessage.com/articles/who-were-the-phoenicians-and-carthaginians/
11. https://ensignmessage.com/articles/did-king-solomons-fleets-visit-america/
12. https://armstronginstitute.org/393-did-israel-source-tin-from-britain

Aryans

"Aryan" or "Iran" is a Greek neutral form of "Ar•yâ(h)" or "Ari" - a derivat of Punic word "AR YA" -- as in "Ar•yâ(h) Yehûḏâh/Ar•yêh Jehûda (אריה יהודה)" or "Lion of Jude" where the Contraction/Abbreviation of Jude is JU or JEW. Therefore, the word אריה יהודה can mean "Aryan of Judah" - "Iran of Judaea" as 200,000 Judahites were resettled in Persia (7th century BCE). So, Aryans (Iranians) were the Arabs of Israel and Judah and not of Japheth. The web below states that "Iran" was named after Eran (Numbers 26:36) - sub of Ephraim (Israel, Syro-Palestina) as the Bible talks about the mixture of Israelists and Judahites (Jews) in Assyria, Habor, Babylonia, Media, Persia and Khorasan till the Hindu. .

142.114.232.94 (talk) 21:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@142.114.232.94 Your block is set to expire next week. I strongly advise you to tread carefully in your editing and to seek WP:CONSENSUS before attempting to introduce any potentially controversial claims into articles. If it becomes necessary to re-block you, the next one will be quite long. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem, I understand. I just want productive change. Also, read these sources mentioned above.

I'm not interested in the outcome of the various disagreements here. My interest is that whatever the outcome, we avoid edit warring, and making controversial claims without consensus. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I might be correct. But I will NOT vandalize 142.114.232.94 (talk) 23:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Please make sure you understand what I am saying. All vandalism is disruptive. But not all disruption is vandalism. Editing against consensus is not usually vandalism, but attempting to impose your interpretation of sources w/o consensus is almost always going to be seen as a form of disruptive editing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion for article Judaism in pre-Islamic Arabia, Yemenite Jews, History of the Jews in Cyprus, History of the Jews in Italy and Sephardic Jews

Under the section, List of Jewish Ephigraphs, the word "yhwdy" must be translated "Judahite" rather than "Jew" as Arabia was a haven for Judaism since the 10th century BCE. So, instead of

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On 23 December, I will be saying

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Contrary to modern assertion, the Northern Hijaz is part, rather a dependancy of Kingdom of Judah - the BIBLICAL Israel's successor. Also, the section "Communication with Non-Peninsular Jews" says:

Also the article, History of the Jews in Cyprus needs to be improved because a quote, relative to the New Testament is mistranslated such that people think that New Testament is not the word of YHWH. That quote is:

.

The Changed quote must be rather:

Also, the fact that Aristobulus of Britannia was the Brother of Paul and Barnabas proves that Cyprus had trade relations with British Isles --- thanks to the Phoenicians! Their ships reached British Isles from Hispania, which in turn got their machines from Afrika, Gaul, Sardinia and Sicily, Southern Greece, where they came from Syria the Great. Paul was not a wolf in sheep's clothing, but an apostle of Jehovah... The Jews are not the children of Yahweh.

Also, the quote in the History of the Jews in Italy,

They must become:

Also, the article Sephardic Jews and specifically, section "etymology" must say:

.

Also, the section "History" and its sub "Early history" must say:

.

The very same section must also say:

Tarshish is not just Japanese, but a Benjamite too because the Bible states that "Japheth shall dwell in the tents of Shem... - Genesis 9:27", so it is no coincidence that a Benjamite would be named after a descendant of Japheth as the Bible repeatedly records time-and-time again where Shem's grand grand-descendants cooperated with Japheth's. Also, both Tarshish named Tartessus. According to the christiananswers.net, there is no doubt that the Tarshish is located in Western Iberia or North Africa. The Historian Tacitus agreed. The Judahites were the natives of Ifrikiyyeh once they were driven out of Egypt and Palestinian State. There is proven evidence that a funeral inscription in Murviedro was out of Adoniram, Solomon's commando who died in Hispania and British Isles before 587 BCE or the 1st century.

142.114.232.94 (talk) 23:14, 21 December 2024 (UTC), https://christiananswers.net/dictionary/tarshish.html142.114.232.94 (talk) 23:14, 21 December 2024 (UTC), https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Tarshish142.114.232.94 (talk) 23:14, 21 December 2024 (UTC) & https://biblehub.com/genesis/9-27.htm142.114.232.94 (talk) 23:14, 21 December 2024 (UTC).

Also, the article Yemenite Jews reflects bias in its "tradition" sub, which says:

JpGordon

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@Jpgordon, could you please shift the block date to 23 december 2024?? I am not vandalizing now. Most of the vandalizations I did before all are not productive, but deconstructive. E.g., In the articles relative to the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah, I wrote a lot of things that are deconstructive, such as placin "/Judaic" after "Judahite". Also, sorry for the edit conflict of my user talk. Please remove the block tomorrow or in January.

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Declining unblock request that does not convince me the problems are over. PhilKnight (talk) 15:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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142.114.232.94 (talk) 19:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Bettering

The History of the Jews in Sri Lanka is rife with errors. E.g., When the word "Jew" or "Jewish" was used in a Biblical manner, they should've used "Judahite" so as to remind the reader that JUDAHITE communities of Sri Lanka were not just linked to JUDAHITE communities of the Yemen or Yemen country, which were established due to Israel-Sheba trade via the Hejaz.

So, the "ancient history" sub must say:

Alongside this, It must be:

142.114.232.94 (talk) 00:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk page access revoked

Given that this editor has continued trying to use their talk page to request edits, I have revoked talk page access. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 15:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

1. https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/470660
2. https://www.pealim.com/dict/?num-radicals=3&r1=%D7%90&r2=%D7%A8&rf=%D7%99
3. https://britam.org/proof3.html
4. https://biblehub.com/numbers/26-36.htm

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