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Talk:Battle of the Java Sea#Recent edits changing scope of article
An editor has effectively changed to scope of the article by incorporating subsequent engagements (with their own stand-alone articles) as being part of this battle. Further input would be welcome. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Discussion on the renaming of the article Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge
Please see here for a discussion about renaming Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge to United States support for the Khmer Rouge. FOARP (talk) 17:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
RFC on Russian invasion of Ukraine
THere's currently a discussion about whether or not to include North Korea as a co-belligerent. Please feel free to comment. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 13:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Peruvian Civil War of 1980–2000#Requested move 19 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Peruvian Civil War of 1980–2000#Requested move 19 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 19:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Edwin of Northumbria
Edwin of Northumbria has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Angevin kings of England
Angevin kings of England has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Borsoka (talk) 02:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:RSM-56 Bulava#Requested move 3 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:RSM-56 Bulava#Requested move 3 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Frostly (talk) 06:06, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Yemeni civil war (2014–present)#Requested move 7 December 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Yemeni civil war (2014–present)#Requested move 7 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Abo Yemen✉ 13:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
RM to lowercase North Yemen Civil War
An ongoing RM to lowercase is at Talk:North Yemen Civil War#Requested move 28 November 2024. It has been relisted and may be of interest to editors of this WikiProject. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
United Kingdom Special Forces has an RfC
United Kingdom Special Forces has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Melbguy05 (talk) 07:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Wahhabi War#Requested move 26 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Wahhabi War#Requested move 26 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 17:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:2024 Manbij offensive#Requested move 9 December 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Manbij offensive#Requested move 9 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 19:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Capture of Damascus#Requested move 9 December 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Capture of Damascus#Requested move 9 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 19:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Talk:Second Nagorno-Karabakh War#RfC on inclusion of Syrian mercenaries in infobox
Please see subject RfC. Cinderella157 (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 18 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 18 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Talk:Armenian-occupied territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh#Requested move 18 December 2024
Please see subject discussion. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Battle of Thermopylae
Battle of Thermopylae has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Talk:Second Nagorno-Karabakh War#Dubious tag
The phrase disputed territory in the territory parameter of the infobox has been tagged as dubious. Cinderella157 (talk) 03:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for 1st Brigade, 7th Infantry Division (United States)
1st Brigade, 7th Infantry Division (United States) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm Talk 20:44, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Mark Kellogg (reporter)
Mark Kellogg (reporter) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Nominations for military history newcomer of the year for 2024 are open!
Military history newcomer
of the year 2024
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First place
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Runners up
As we approach the end of the year, it is time for us to nominate the editors we believe have made a real difference to the project. In addition to the Military historian of the year, all Milhist editors are invited to nominate a promising newcomer that they feel deserves a nod of appreciation for their hard work over the past 12 months for the Military history newcomer of the year award. The award is open to any editor who has become active in military history articles in the last 12 months.
Like the Military Historian of the Year, the nomination process will begin at 00:01 (UTC) on 16 November and last until 23:59 (UTC) on 30 November 2024. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated. After that a new thread will be created and a voting period will commence on 00:01 1 December 2024 during which editors will be able to cast their approval vote for up to three of the nominees. At the end of this period on 23:59 30 December 2024, the top editor will be awarded the Gold Wiki; all other nominees will receive the WikiProject Barnstar.
Please nominate editors below this line, including links in the nomination statement to the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on since 1 January 2024. Please keep nomination statements concise; excluding links to the articles/list/images in question, the ideal nomination statement should be about 20 words. Self-nominations are frowned upon. Please do not vote until the nominations have been finalized. Thanks, and good luck! On behalf of all the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- CommissarDoggo (talk · contribs): A new joiner to the project this year, their work includes bringing the American VC winner William Henry Harrison Seeley to GA and expanding Michael Wettlaufer from stub to B class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Matarisvan (talk · contribs): Significant additions to Indian military history, a notoriously difficult topic on Misplaced Pages - they have also since been voted a coordinator of the WikiProject. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Klutserke (talk · contribs): Second World War naval history, including the significant expansion and re-writing of HMS Sheffield (C24) and the creation of articles including 8.8 cm SK C/25 naval gun. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Wahreit (talk · contribs): Can I nominate Wahreit for extensive editing to Second Sino-Japanese War articles like the Battle of Shanghai and the Battle of Sihang Warehouse. He joined Misplaced Pages in April 2024 and has done good work from the beginning. Oh and plus 25k to Battle of Nanking Alexysun (talk) 00:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Voting
Nominations for this year's "military history newcomer of the year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, all the runners up will also be acknowledged.
The nominees for this award and the statements given in support of these nominations are provided above. Voting can be done below by adding a hash sign (#) followed by the four tildes (~~~~) to nominee's sections. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated.
All project members are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (UTC) on 30 December 2024.
Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
CommissarDoggo
- 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon
- Gog the Mild (talk) 01:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Wiki king 100000 (talk) 05:46, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Internationed (talk) 16:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Kerbyki (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Klutserke
Matarisvan
- Gog the Mild (talk) 01:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Serial Number 54129 (talk) 11:52, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Donner60 (talk) 19:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- - Ratnahastin (talk) 01:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hog Farm Talk 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- TheRazgriz (talk) 17:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Wahreit
Nominations for military historian of the year for 2024 are open!
Military historian of the year 2024
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First place
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Second place
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Third place
As we approach the end of the year, it is time for us to nominate the editors we believe have made a real difference to the project. As part of the first step to determining this year's "Military Historian of the Year" award, all Milhist editors are invited to nominate those that they feel deserve a nod of appreciation for their hard work over the past 12 months.
The nomination process will commence on 00:01 (UTC) on 16 November and last until 23:59 (UTC) on 30 November. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated. After that a new thread will be created and a voting period of will commence on 00:01 (UTC) on 1 December during which editors will be able to cast their approval vote for up to three of the nominees. At the end of this period on 23:59 on 30 December, the top three editors will be awarded the Gold, Silver and Bronze Wiki respectively; all other nominees will receive the WikiProject Barnstar.
Please nominate editors below this line, including links in the nomination statement to the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on since 1 January 2024. Please keep nomination statements concise; excluding links to the articles/list/images in question, the ideal nomination statement should be about 20 words. Self nominations are frowned upon. Please do not vote until the nominations have been finalized. Thanks, and good luck! For all the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- noclador (talk · contribs): Since 2005 has been working mainly on articles about the Italian Army. In 2023 started a project to write articles for all the Italian Army units active after WWII. Since August 2023 noclador has brought to B-class 298 articles about units of the Italian Army, of which 289 were created from scratch. Created 145 articles in 2023 and 2024. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- MSGJ (talk · contribs): Has worked on our Template:WikiProject Military history and the Lua Module:Banner shell and Module:WikiProject banner to implement changes required for our A-class reviews. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. A barn star would be appreciated but this nomination ... seems excessive — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Zawed (talk · contribs): Another year, another seemingly endless quantity of New Zealand-related articles. From the Second World War and articles such as Mick Ensor, to the 1869 Battle of Te Pōrere, Zawed consistently produces a variety of high quality content. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Donner60 (talk · contribs) - for extensive behind-the-scenes work as a coordinator, especially their tireless work with the assessment process. Hog Farm Talk 15:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk · contribs) - prodigious output of articles relating to British naval ships, e.g. HMS Regulus (1785) and personalities, and also heavily involved in reviewing articles. Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hog Farm (talk · contribs) - another editor with a strong article output, this time relating mostly to the US Civil war, e.g. Edward W. Gantt. Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) - yet another editor with tremendous output, particularly in military logistics e.g. Operation Matterhorn logistics. Does a lot of backroom stuff for the project. Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Simongraham (talk · contribs) - works away on naval ships, with many articles created and taken up to GA, e.g. HMS Harpy (1909). Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Voting
Nominations for this year's "Military History Newcomer of the Year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, all the runners up will also be acknowledged.
The nominees for this award and the statements given in support of these nominations are provided above. Voting can be done by adding a hash sign (#) followed by the four tildes (~~~~) to the nominee's section below. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated.
All editors are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (UTC) on 30 December 2024.
Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Donner60
- Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- MisterBee1966 (talk) 15:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hog Farm Talk 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Hawkeye7
- Gog the Mild (talk) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Wiki king 100000 (talk) 05:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Donner60 (talk)
- Hog Farm Talk 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Kerbyki (talk) 14:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Hog Farm
- 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon
- Gog the Mild (talk) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Donner60 (talk) 19:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
MSGJ
Noclador
- Donner60 (talk) 19:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 12:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- TheRazgriz (talk) 17:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Kerbyki (talk) 14:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Pickersgill-Cunliffe
- Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Kierzek (talk) 15:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hog Farm Talk 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Simongraham
Zawed
- Gog the Mild (talk) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Serial Number 54129 (talk) 11:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Kierzek (talk) 15:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Updating Queen Elizabeth Class Displacement
I'd like to update the Queen Elizabeth Class Displacement in the infobox of 65,000 tonnes which is the empty load displacement as confirmed in this FOI answer from the Royal Navy
To Est. 80,6000 full load which is stated in Jane's Fighting Ships 2023-2024 p. 886.
This will allow a better comparison between other aircraft carriers which use full load displacement (US Nimitz and Ford Classes and the French Charles de Gaulle as examples) SeaCeptor (talk) 20:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- The concern I have here is that 1) the official MOD website for the QE class very prominently states the displacement (without qualification for load) as 65,000. It's unclear that Janes is the better or more preferable source here, and we're not consistent about the type of displacement that we use across infoboxes. I do not particularly strongly care either way if there's a Wikiproject consensus towards one or the other, but we should be cautious to avoid scenarios where we're discounting a manufacturer's official data for a product in exchange for a third parties, even one as reliable as Janes, when there's no question about the accuracy or reliability of the data but merely the categorization of it. ⇒SWATJester 20:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- The Royal Navy, in a FOI answer, which is more reputable than the website, stated
- "In response to your request, I can confirm that the empty displacement figure for both HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales is 65,000 tonnes"
- https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/691861/2018-01338.pdf
- We therefore know that the 65,000 tonne figure is the empty displacement.
- From the US Navy Naval Vessel Register (NVR), that gives us Light and Full Displacements and their corresponding definitions for USS Nimitz, which has a full load displacement of 101196 tons (long tons).
- https://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvr/getHull.htm?shipId=5151
- So if you were to use the infobox as a quick reference tool for both classes of aircraft carrier, taking out the difference in units, a false impression would be given that the Queen Elizabeth Class displace circa 35,000 tonnes less than the Nimitz Class, whereas if you use the estimated full load figure that Janes provides, is closer to 20,000 tonnes.
- If you look at other aircraft carriers, Misplaced Pages uses IISS for the displacement of the Chinese Type 003 aircraft carrier and an archived blog for the displacement of the French Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier. SeaCeptor (talk) 20:29, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- The concern I have here is that 1) the official MOD website for the QE class very prominently states the displacement (without qualification for load) as 65,000. It's unclear that Janes is the better or more preferable source here, and we're not consistent about the type of displacement that we use across infoboxes. I do not particularly strongly care either way if there's a Wikiproject consensus towards one or the other, but we should be cautious to avoid scenarios where we're discounting a manufacturer's official data for a product in exchange for a third parties, even one as reliable as Janes, when there's no question about the accuracy or reliability of the data but merely the categorization of it. ⇒SWATJester 20:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Postnominal letters and infoboxes
See Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Biography#MOS:POSTNOM for discussion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
American Civil War medals and grenades
There is a discussion at Talk:Benjamin Jackson (sailor) that could use the attention of additional MILHIST editors familiar with the 19th-century US Navy - there are questions regarding how many medals the article subject received and if "grenade" is the best wording for an object that Jackson threw overboard. Hog Farm Talk 17:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Article for your attention
New Order (Nazism) is in a dire state and could really use some attention from experienced editors. I've started a discussion on the topic on the article's talk page. Input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! CR (talk) 21:01, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
155th Mechanized Brigade (Ukraine)
They completed training and have been sent back to Ukraine, and I'm seeing various Russian, Ukrainian, and French reports on the brigade, but can't make sense of what's going on. The article should use the highest quality sources, such as AP and Reuters, and they have given profiles on the brigade in the past, but haven't given an update since. French source. Ukraine source. So should we wait until the highest quality sources comment on this? Harizotoh9 (talk) 04:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Help needed for draft
I am currently working on a draft on the Chinese 7th marine brigade(more commonly known as the Jiaolong commandos), may I ask if anyone has any feedback or extra third-party sources on the unit?
Also the article already exists on chinese wikipedia. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 07:33, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
AJ3 Tiger?
This 1961 newspaper article about the Harlow Fire mentions some firefighting aircraft, the last of which is described as "an AJ3 Tiger, a post war navy bomber". I'm baffled what that might be - neither the Douglas A-3 Skywarrior nor North American A-5 Vigilante (originally A3J) seem likely. Does anywhere here have any clues? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- The only references to "AJ3 Tiger" I'm finding on the Internet appear to originate with that newspaper article, so I think it's probably an error in the original reporting. Hog Farm Talk 04:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'd suspect it was a AJ Savage, as several were used as water bombers by AJ Air Tankers, first flying missions during 1961. "AJ Tanker" could easily be corrupted into "AJ Tiger" depending on the quality of the draft writing, with the 3 coming from a scribbled AJ-2? - The Bushranger One ping only 05:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Pi.1415926535: And looking at this more - seeing as the source describes it as "a post-war navy bomber", it's all but certain that yeah, it's a North American AJ Savage! - The Bushranger One ping only 05:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Good deal. That seems much more likely for a post-war bomber to be in use around 1961. -Fnlayson (talk) 05:57, 25 December 2024 (UTC)