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User:SlimVirgin added this section in 2016:

As of 2003 the reptilian bloodline encompassed 43 American presidents, three British and two Canadian prime ministers, several Sumerian kings and Egyptian pharaohs, and a smattering of celebrities, including Bob Hope, Chris Christopherson and Boxcar Willie. Key bloodlines are the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, various European aristocratic families, the establishment families of the Eastern United States, and the British House of Windsor.

The referenced page of Barkun2003 is on archive.org and doesn't include any of those claims, nor could I find them in the rest of the chapter on Icke. Unfortunately, SlimVirgin isn't alive any more so I can't ask her. I don't want to simply delete as unfounded the work of a very experienced editor, but this needs fixing. Mbethke (talk) 10:39, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

The diff you added only shows SV re-arranging the material. It appears to have been added much earlier. Looking back a little farther, say here, there's a much more detailed reference that breaks down the sources. Not clear if that covers every claim, but more ground to cover at least. Kuru (talk) 13:42, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

I've never been able to find a single reliable source for the claim that Icke believes in this farcical "Reptilian" theory. I'm 99% sure it's simply a smear tactic used against him to put people off listening to the other (very legitimate) subjects he speaks about. A bunch of links to articles in far left rags claiming that he said this or that (with zero sources) isn't worthy of mentioning in an encyclopedia, nor does it make the claims true. All of these smears and falsified "beliefs" that have been pinned on him should be entirely removed from the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.2.204.195 (talk • contribs)

There seem to be thousands, including his own publications and many interviews where he promotes these claims. This includes many conservative outlets. I'm sorry, but since your claim appears to make zero sense on its face, perhaps you can clarify your position first? Are you saying he's being sarcastic the whole way through? Kuru (talk) 01:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

@82.2.204.195 For some reason I can’t reply to the IP address directly, but in this interviewhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlAjeTunopo he says that at 4:00. Note that Icke essentially replies that “The phrase ‘The world is run by shapeshifting lizards’ is a one line oversimplification without my backstory or context, if you read deeper into it and into my works you will understand it better.” but upon further examination it remains equally as false and baseless with no real or valid evidence. This isn’t a smear, those claims are real.

Also note that the interviewer and others say that some of Icke’s other claims in the video are based on events that have actually happened so at least those theories and claims have got that going for them, that being they are based in part on reality, but the claim “Buckingham palace and the world is run by shapeshifting lizards and reptiles” is one he appears to genuinely agree with and has touted for years Justanotherguy54 (talk) 02:40, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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Cite error: The named reference Barkun2003p104 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Footnote 8

the article linked at footnote 8 does not say that his publisher dropped him or why. 142.163.195.205 (talk) 00:02, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Reptilian shapeshifters

reptilian shapeshifters is linked to the wiki article on reptiles and there is no reference there to reptilian shapeshifters. 142.163.195.205 (talk) 00:04, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Done I broke it into two wikilinks. One to Reptile and the other to Shapeshifting. Cullen328 (talk) 23:11, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

his new book not in the selected works

the dream was released this year

can someone update the "selected works" 2A00:23C5:14B9:C601:E084:5224:E0F5:4E83 (talk) 22:54, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328 (talk) 23:05, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Done Softlavender (talk) 09:54, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Short description

The Short description generally follows the basic information contained in the lead of the article. He is not much known as a footballer. Icke seems to be best known as a conspiracy theorist. This article starts David Vaughan Icke (...) is an English conspiracy theorist and ... so a Short description of English conspiracy theorist (born 1952) is reasonable. — GhostInTheMachine 11:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Agree. Slatersteven (talk) 11:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Also agree, he never hit the big time as a footballer, was somewhat more successful as a BBC sports presenter, and then really hit the big time with his alternative (cough cough) theories.--♦IanMacM♦ 11:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

yup Bon courage (talk) 15:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Note as this was started today, at least give it until tomorrow to decide if there is a consensus. Slatersteven (talk) 14:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

No disagreement. Restored to English conspiracy theorist (born 1952) — GhostInTheMachine 20:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Agree per points mentioned above. He is primarily known as a conspiracy theorist. Carlstak (talk) 00:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Not merely allegations

@Hemiauchenia you reverted my edit, and said see BLP. You're gonna have to be a lot more specific than that.

Delectopierre (talk) 03:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Saying "x is an antisemite" in Wikivoice is a very serious and potentially libellous accusation, and it is always best to err on the side of caution by attributing it. Take it to WP:BLPN if you care enough. By my reading of what scholars of new religious movements and that ilk have said of Icke (and they are probably the most qualified to understand him), they tend to see his claims regarding the protocols of Zion as part of the smorgasbord of his conspiracy worldview, and that his claims about reptilians are sincere and not merely a code for Jews. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Re: lizard people being divorced from antisemitism: first of all, it is a common dog whistle. Secondly, here is a screengrab from one of his youtube videos prior to it getting nuked (preserved in this article). You will notice that the lizard people have stars of david and israeli and american flags on them. Please share a link to research that refutes this.

Re: antisemite vs. antisemitic opinions:

He was banned from entering Australia and the Netherlands for his antisemitism. He's been called an antisemite in the news , had academics call him antisemitic, and the Center for Countering Digital Hate produced a 25 page report that stated, in part:

"These features form a funnel structure that directs curious viewers from popular channels that regularly present Icke as an expert speaker on coronavirus, through to Icke’s own videos that play into current trends on hate and misinformation, arriving finally at the antisemitism that underpins all of Icke’s work."

If that's not an antisemite, I don't know what is. I hear you about the need to err on the side of caution, but I think it's also important to ask: what kind of caution? Of course we need to be careful not to expose wikipedia to litigation.

BUT we also need to use caution that we don't downplay hate.

Perhaps I will go to WP:BLPN. I'll have to think about it. Delectopierre (talk) 04:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:BLP says BLPs should be written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone and Do not label people with contentious labels, loaded language, or terms that lack precision unless a person is commonly described that way in reliable sources I simply don't think your version passes this. I think we can say "a number of academics and journalists have described his claims about elders of Zion and the Rothschilds as antisemitic" but "Icke is an antisemite" is going too far. Hemiauchenia (talk) 04:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@Hemiauchenia Also removed from Reptilian conspiracy theory pending BLPN discussion.

Awshort (talk) 07:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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