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Estonian SSR (independent)

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Legally no such country has ever existed. Alexia Death 14:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It's apparently a companion; these two have been created by the same person, Läänemere lained. They are both equally meritless. Digwuren 22:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you saying this is a Hoax? Otherwise, if it was self-governing for two years I say Keep CitiCat 15:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I say its a hoax. Read the Estonian history article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexia Death (talk • contribs) 23:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
  • comment this seems like a complex content dispute that is not best handled at AFD, as certainly the history of Estonia should be documented, especially in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union. Whether or not this article, or another one is adequately sourced, or the appropriate way to cover it is a question best suited for some form of Dispute resolution. Mister.Manticore 16:36, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Delete. Nobody is suggesting not documenting history of Estonia. In fact, history of Estonia has been considerably documented in the aptly named article History of Estonia, as well as ].
However, this article is not about documenting history of Estonia. It is about a fictional legal construct; about a state transforming into another state where such transformation never happened.
No state of "Estonian SSR (independent)" has ever been declared, nor recognised by any foreign power, nor international body. Digwuren 22:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, you can contest the accuracy of the information on the page if you want, but as I see it, the way to do that is to try WP:DR instead. AFD is not the solution to use. Mister.Manticore 22:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
How is using DR better in a case when article is contradicting facts? What's to dispute?`The intent of the person who created the category? No country in USSR was independent. No legal entity separable from Estonian SSR exist... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexia Death (talk • contribs)
Dispute resolution would be better because it'd demonstrate that you were working with other editors to resolve a problem as to content, plus it would give a better chance of getting the facts correct. Mister.Manticore 23:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Cause for AFD is that the subject matter of the article artificial unsubstantiated construct unsupported by any evidence. It never existed. Giving information about a nonexistent entity belongs to fiction. Information in this article may belong to Estonian SSR but not to describe a state on its own. The only person resisting deletion has given no arguments, only actuations of POV pushing --Alexia Death 23:49, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'd honestly say that nobody has really commented on deletion of this article in a truly convincing way. If you wish to make that kind of argument, I suggest doing so in the form of DR, where you can provide evidence as to your position. Right now, your arguments are based solely on your words, not actual sources yourself. Now as far as it goes, I expect this to be a difficult issue to research and discuss, so I'd suggest checking for a resolution through other means. Mister.Manticore 00:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
  • comment There was no country like this. The Estonia SSR was granted some economic and civil liberties under the charter of USSR, thats all. A change in legistration does not make it a new country. No state symbols or government form changes at all. There was Estonian SSR(that was not an independent country) until reinstatement of Republic of Estonia in 1991. Besides that, this article contadics History of Estonia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexia Death (talk • contribs) 23:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
How can stating a fact be POV is beyond me, but say what you may, Estonian SSR was never independent and a minor granting of liberties do not make it neither independent nor a new country. As to why no deletion tag earlier,I did not know about this article. Thanks for showing me, that such articles existed, so mistakes can be corrected. Alexia Death 22:36, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
  • conditional keep provided the author supplies reliable sources for the described event. Whatever the article title might be, it is a valid approach to have a separate historical article for clearly defined historical period. `'mikka 23:44, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Like for its sister, if it was about an historical period, id have no complaints about it. it is however about a "short lived country" placed between territories. It was never a country and certainly not independent.--Alexia Death 00:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
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